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[nunyab 0]

Aww, I missed ya'll too

lol love the smiley...

[Staashi 371]

Aww, I missed ya'll too

lol love the smiley...

Me, too...that's the best!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Some of the worst adab is found between scholars,but that's not an experience one would have as a adoring online student. The big leagues of scholarly debate is not the adab fantasy laypersons have, If it was, animosity and marginalization wouldn't even be issues. The adab dismissal is a falsehood that only novices fall fpr. Those of us who deal with scholars irl daily know better.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Care to get in any more back handed jabs while you're at it VW? Anything else to attempt to undermine my credibility? Forgive me for not running in your lofty circles. Some of us make due with the best our areas have to offer, and suppliment it when the local scene is lacking (and/or heavily salafi oriented). Forgive me for appreciating the teachers I have.

I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.

[~Jackie~ 30]

We are almost done with al fatiha Tasha. Rahma, you up to teaching al kauther to our new sisters? What a wonderful time for all of us to share these most basic of steps.

As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.

I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))

Jackie

[Nothing1234 2]

We are almost done with al fatiha Tasha. Rahma, you up to teaching al kauther to our new sisters? What a wonderful time for all of us to share these most basic of steps.

As rahma and vw throw out 'salafis' and 'adabs' (among other words i don't know) me and the other newbies will be over here trying to learn some suras.

I love all of you and appreciate what you bring to the forum. ((((((group sister hug))))))))))

Jackie

Sweet

[Melinda and Ahed 0]

I'm neither a Muslim nor am I marrying anyone from a MENA nation, but I just thought I'd ask - female USC's with Muslim MENA beneficiaries, what prompted you personally to convert to Islam? Was it truly a decision you made prior to meeting your mate, or was it to ensure that your mate would be marrying a Muslim woman, or was it because the faith truly appealed to you? And if the latter, what was it about the faith that convinced you to adopt it?

This is totally not a sarcastic or rude question, but one of genuine curiosity.

Great question! I am marrying a muslim man, but I am a Christian of the Baptist denomination. He explains to me about his faith & beliefs, and I share with him as well. It seems a "personal" choice & decision that one makes to change/accept another religion. Just like, spirituality is in any religion!

Just thought I'd share!

[~Jackie~ 30]

Hi Melinda. Communication is definately important in a 2 religion marriage. Good luck with your immigration journey.

Jackie

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Care to get in any more back handed jabs while you're at it VW? Anything else to attempt to undermine my credibility? Forgive me for not running in your lofty circles. Some of us make due with the best our areas have to offer, and suppliment it when the local scene is lacking (and/or heavily salafi oriented). Forgive me for appreciating the teachers I have.

I was not attempting to dismiss you and/or reformers with the adab remark. You commented that reformers were often marginalized and dismissed, which to me indicates poor adab. I was merely adding to this opinion that the reformers often did/do the same to the mainstream. Many people, be they of the majority or of the dissenters, lack adab when it comes to differences of opinion.

For Jackie: adab;

It was never my intent to undermine your credibility, Rahma. I'm apologize that you took it that way. My life and environment is what it is, but it is not something I wish to use as a weapon. Your passion and enthusiam for the faith and your eagerness to share it is a blessing. It's wonderful to see how people appreciate you. You are also so right about Tarek Fatah. We have done battle many times and are no longer speaking, at this point. However, you completely missed my points, and I may be a bit sensitive about the issue of adab because there is a tendency among students to believe that scholars are so well-mannered. I've had more than my share of their bad behavior, which may be why I'm come across so assertively in posts much of the time.

I appreciate my teachers, too, but I know when to disagree with them. An issue I have is the convert's ability to discern who is a good teacher who will not lead you astray and who will help you enrich your life in the faith, and what are proper sources. Where should you place your emphasis and what constitues the Middle Way? I have seen too many times students afraid to question or raise issues that could lead to conflict. Few certainly have the ability of substantive knowledge to challenge a teacher. I grew up in the faith, read fluent Arabic, have a Ph.D in Islam. For decades, I sat at the feet of venerated sheikhs, worked with ulema and jurists, and I'm still told I have a nerve to question anything from fiqh, no matter how ludicris. I can't imagine how a novice stands up to that. And, numbers show that they don't; the residivism rate for converts is rather high. That, I have deep concerns about. The ability to have a personal relationship with Allah is being slowly overridden with an over abundance of opinions, making Islam appear to be more monolitic in some ways, and more ambiguous in other ways.

[~Jackie~ 30]

Wow. And all I do is teach new muslimas how to say al fatiha.

We all have our roles, now don't we?

7 more days and then ya'll gotta agree to disagree Now stand shoulder to shoulder and help me to type phonetically the best way to pronounce Al Fatiha. ready..set ...go

Jackie

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Al Fa-ti-ha

Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen

Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem

The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha

I hope this helps.

Edited August 26, 2008 by Virtual wife

[KellyRay 0]

Al Fa-ti-ha

Biss-mil-lah ah-raah-maan ah-ra-heem mah-lee-kee yoh-mi ad-deeni e-ya-ka nah-bu-du wah e-ya-kah nes-ta-een ee-ayh-dina as-seer-rata al muusta-keem seer-rata al-la-dina an-am-ta alay-heem rah-eri al-ma-rah-doe-bi ala-heem wala ad-dalleen

Sa-da-ka alla-ho al a-deem

The "r" rols a bit, like in Spanish.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fatiha

I hope this helps.

What kind of al-Fatiha is that? The Ph.D. kind, lol? It is missing 1-2:3, the last line is not a part of al-Fatiha, and ghayn sounds nothing like a rolling spanish R but rather like a French R, and the two are quite different- a French R is not a rolling R.

[~Jackie~ 30]

hmmmmmmmmmm rahma....where are you ?

VW...is that sunni?

jJ

[S and S 12]

Personally, I subscribe to the Islamicity website where they have an excellent Quran memorizer. It helped me a lot as I need to see and hear the words in order to learn them. Unfortunately they allow only a short trial to use the Quran memorizer and then you must become a paying member. I pay, but there are several things on the website that benifit me enough to make me want to pay.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Hmmm, you're right, Kelly. Part of it dropped out. I edited it a couple of time coz parts changed after I posted it. It's not easy to express a sound for ghayn since there isn't a true equivalant in English. I'm no expert in written phonetic Arabic into English. Maybe you are, so, why don't you try?