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[Jenn! 918]

I dunno they're bugs, do they really feel pain?

Invertebrates do not feel pain. I have no qualms about killing insects, philosophically speaking. Although actually doing it gives me the willies and I usually chicken out and get someone else to do it.

[doodlebugg 10]

They sure look like they're in pain especially when half their body was just squished under a flip flop. This was an interesting read, if you like reading about hadiths concerning ants that is.

http://abu-hurayrah.blogspot.com/2005/09/p...or-insects.html

eta: I just read the who am i part of that dude's blog and he's a whack job but i still like the ant post.

Edited August 31, 2009 by doodlebugg

[Melly 2 0]

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

[Kenza 1]

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

I'm the same way lol. It's so sad! The cats and dogs and horses, you can see their bones

[amysaid 9]

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

I was complaining to Ahmed the other day because the owner of the Roof Cow across the street has not cleaned up the poop in the area where the cow is chained to for days, so the cow is being made to just lay in its own feces. It made me sad. Mostly because whenever I walk around in the apartment, the cow looks at me with its sad cow eyes. And then I go eat some kofta and wonder if the cow I'm eating had to wallow in its own poo and gave sad cow-eyes to somebody else before I ate it.

[amal 4]

My husband and I spent over an hour yesterday discussing whether or not it is ok to kill ants/bugs in general. We've had a lot of carpenter ants get into our bathroom so it's a daily occurence to end the life of at least one of the intruders, but is it ok in God's eyes? When I look at one of them for any length of time it's hard not to notice how perfectly formed they are. Then I think of the colonies back home waiting for him to come back and give the "all clear" message, etc. I mean it's a community just like we are, except they're ants. Even the Quran has a chapter named The Ant.

Are we being too sensitive or do others ever feel guilty about the amount of insects they kill?

I feel guilty killing anything. I try to let them go...unless they're crawling ON me...then it's to each their own!!! Hubster has no qualms about killing bugs...he'll squish one of these 50 pound roaches in a heartbeat! I'm too scared of them to kill them. They could carry away small children...ain't no way in heL LLLLL I'm steppin on that!!!

I dunno they're bugs, do they really feel pain?

Invertebrates do not feel pain. I have no qualms about killing insects, philosophically speaking. Although actually doing it gives me the willies and I usually chicken out and get someone else to do it.

What? Seriously? they don't feel pain??? Can you show me proof of that? I'm really interested in reading about it. I thought every living object could feel pain. I mean, even flowers feel pain.....so surely insects do too, right???

Now, spiders...they aren't living...they are dead.... plain and simple...... (lol)

[amysaid 9]

My husband and I spent over an hour yesterday discussing whether or not it is ok to kill ants/bugs in general. We've had a lot of carpenter ants get into our bathroom so it's a daily occurence to end the life of at least one of the intruders, but is it ok in God's eyes? When I look at one of them for any length of time it's hard not to notice how perfectly formed they are. Then I think of the colonies back home waiting for him to come back and give the "all clear" message, etc. I mean it's a community just like we are, except they're ants. Even the Quran has a chapter named The Ant.

Are we being too sensitive or do others ever feel guilty about the amount of insects they kill?

I feel guilty killing anything. I try to let them go...unless they're crawling ON me...then it's to each their own!!! Hubster has no qualms about killing bugs...he'll squish one of these 50 pound roaches in a heartbeat! I'm too scared of them to kill them. They could carry away small children...ain't no way in heL LLLLL I'm steppin on that!!!

I dunno they're bugs, do they really feel pain?

Invertebrates do not feel pain. I have no qualms about killing insects, philosophically speaking. Although actually doing it gives me the willies and I usually chicken out and get someone else to do it.

What? Seriously? they don't feel pain??? Can you show me proof of that? I'm really interested in reading about it. I thought every living object could feel pain. I mean, even flowers feel pain.....so surely insects do too, right???

Now, spiders...they aren't living...they are dead.... plain and simple...... (lol)

A quick search came up with this: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Entomology-Stud...s-feel-pain.htm I hope it's true!

[Muh and me 18]

BUMPITY BUMP! We miss you Um squeakster

[Jenn! 918]

Invertebrates do not feel pain. I have no qualms about killing insects, philosophically speaking. Although actually doing it gives me the willies and I usually chicken out and get someone else to do it.

What? Seriously? they don't feel pain??? Can you show me proof of that? I'm really interested in reading about it. I thought every living object could feel pain. I mean, even flowers feel pain.....so surely insects do too, right???

Now, spiders...they aren't living...they are dead.... plain and simple...... (lol)

Well, in my opinion....

Plants don't feel pain either. Response to stimuli (i.e. reflex) is not the same thing as experiencing pain.

There is some controversy on the subject - the question of whether lobsters feel pain (and whether boiling them is ethical) is a good example. Most of it seems to center around the philisophical question, "what is pain?". It is sort of a subjective concept. Short answer is that lacking a central nervous system, bugs and other invertebrates (and plants, of course) are incapable of feeling pain, as we know it.

Here is some reading: http://dels.nas.edu/ilar_n/ilarjournal/33_...2Question.shtml

[doodlebugg 10]

So hubby and I were watching the movie Stargate last night and I was thinking the whole time what if one day a worm-hole like device is discovered and once you walk through it you're in a world wherein the bugs are now as big as you and you are as small as the bugs. I wonder if they'd be saying to each other that we don't feel pain. I really need to start worrying about other things. Maybe I'll go look at my kids' 529 account and flip out over that for a while.

[amysaid 9]

My daughter was in the bath earlier, playing quietly with her toys as she usually does... Hubby was in a bad mood over something else, and grumped to me that "it's bad to talk in the bathroom, because that's where Shaytan lives." I have heard that before, but I kind of just thought it pertained to not talking to people when you were actually doing bathroom business, not things like kids playing in the bath, singing in the shower, etc. Any thoughts on this?

[doodlebugg 10]

My daughter was in the bath earlier, playing quietly with her toys as she usually does... Hubby was in a bad mood over something else, and grumped to me that "it's bad to talk in the bathroom, because that's where Shaytan lives." I have heard that before, but I kind of just thought it pertained to not talking to people when you were actually doing bathroom business, not things like kids playing in the bath, singing in the shower, etc. Any thoughts on this?

My husband is the same way. Does your husband have kids of his own? Mine doesn't and I think that's the issue...he's never had to give a bath to a toddler/baby who doesn't know how to be quiet. My kids always used to sing songs in the tub It's just one of those things that either is going to change over time for him or you'll just have to deal with. It's not a biggie, you just have to wait to talk to him.

[nunyab 0]

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

I was complaining to Ahmed the other day because the owner of the Roof Cow across the street has not cleaned up the poop in the area where the cow is chained to for days, so the cow is being made to just lay in its own feces. It made me sad. Mostly because whenever I walk around in the apartment, the cow looks at me with its sad cow eyes. And then I go eat some kofta and wonder if the cow I'm eating had to wallow in its own poo and gave sad cow-eyes to somebody else before I ate it.

awwww that is so sad! but you still finished your meal didn't you

[amysaid 9]

My daughter was in the bath earlier, playing quietly with her toys as she usually does... Hubby was in a bad mood over something else, and grumped to me that "it's bad to talk in the bathroom, because that's where Shaytan lives." I have heard that before, but I kind of just thought it pertained to not talking to people when you were actually doing bathroom business, not things like kids playing in the bath, singing in the shower, etc. Any thoughts on this?

My husband is the same way. Does your husband have kids of his own? Mine doesn't and I think that's the issue...he's never had to give a bath to a toddler/baby who doesn't know how to be quiet. My kids always used to sing songs in the tub It's just one of those things that either is going to change over time for him or you'll just have to deal with. It's not a biggie, you just have to wait to talk to him.

No, he doesn't have kids of his own... He swears he has experience because he "has spent a lot of time around his nieces and nephews", and I try to explain to him that there is a BIG difference between spending a few consecutive days together with kids you love and then getting a break from them, and living with kids that are your own 24/7. Anyway, he didn't harp on it, so I'm sure it'll be ok, but I was just kind of because my daughter talks NONSTOP and I can't imagine a way, short of duct tape, that I could keep her from talking/singing/making noises while bathing The bathroom business.. yeah, we will work on that. Singing a made-up song about going potty while you are going potty is probably not necessary

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

I was complaining to Ahmed the other day because the owner of the Roof Cow across the street has not cleaned up the poop in the area where the cow is chained to for days, so the cow is being made to just lay in its own feces. It made me sad. Mostly because whenever I walk around in the apartment, the cow looks at me with its sad cow eyes. And then I go eat some kofta and wonder if the cow I'm eating had to wallow in its own poo and gave sad cow-eyes to somebody else before I ate it.

awwww that is so sad! but you still finished your meal didn't you

Oh yeah. I ate some more just now, too With the cow looking at me the whole time

[nunyab 0]

My daughter was in the bath earlier, playing quietly with her toys as she usually does... Hubby was in a bad mood over something else, and grumped to me that "it's bad to talk in the bathroom, because that's where Shaytan lives." I have heard that before, but I kind of just thought it pertained to not talking to people when you were actually doing bathroom business, not things like kids playing in the bath, singing in the shower, etc. Any thoughts on this?

My husband is the same way. Does your husband have kids of his own? Mine doesn't and I think that's the issue...he's never had to give a bath to a toddler/baby who doesn't know how to be quiet. My kids always used to sing songs in the tub It's just one of those things that either is going to change over time for him or you'll just have to deal with. It's not a biggie, you just have to wait to talk to him.

No, he doesn't have kids of his own... He swears he has experience because he "has spent a lot of time around his nieces and nephews", and I try to explain to him that there is a BIG difference between spending a few consecutive days together with kids you love and then getting a break from them, and living with kids that are your own 24/7. Anyway, he didn't harp on it, so I'm sure it'll be ok, but I was just kind of because my daughter talks NONSTOP and I can't imagine a way, short of duct tape, that I could keep her from talking/singing/making noises while bathing The bathroom business.. yeah, we will work on that. Singing a made-up song about going potty while you are going potty is probably not necessary

They sure do have a different attitude here in Egypt about ants at least.

My in-laws are not bothered by them at all. Gross. They will kill roaches, but still don't seem bothered by them. Double gross.

I always feel bad when killing bugs, but it doesn't stop me, and I just ask God to forgive me.

What really upsets me is the way I see horses and donkeys get treated here.

I was being driven one time by the family driver and we were held up by a horse pulling a cart. The horse was obviously past its limits and it was hotter than hades out and these guys were whipping that horse til I thought it was going to keel over. The sounds it was making and jumping up in the air just brought me to tears. I was so upset about this. And it wasn't the only time I've seen animals whipped and crying out.

I hope the people doing that rot in the lowest depths of hell.

However, having said that, I'm not sure what makes me all that different, as I'm willing to take an ants life.... meh.

I was complaining to Ahmed the other day because the owner of the Roof Cow across the street has not cleaned up the poop in the area where the cow is chained to for days, so the cow is being made to just lay in its own feces. It made me sad. Mostly because whenever I walk around in the apartment, the cow looks at me with its sad cow eyes. And then I go eat some kofta and wonder if the cow I'm eating had to wallow in its own poo and gave sad cow-eyes to somebody else before I ate it.

awwww that is so sad! but you still finished your meal didn't you

Oh yeah. I ate some more just now, too With the cow looking at me the whole time

i would've too lol