Muslims

[Ahmeds Girl 0]

You don't get that this thread was started for Muslims and anyone interested in participating. You can't handle it when different views to yours appear. Why do you feel the need to suppress my views on this thread, when it is not just for Muslims?

I am tolerant of everyone's right to believe what they like. I am tolerant of anyone's God or Gods or REJECTION of God. I disagree that religion is anything but man made. This is such a huge threat to you? Incredible.

Haven't you noticed that Muslims don't all agree on religion? They are killing each other right now in the name of religion, yet you dare to speak as a 'we''. I guess to you being told you hate God is not name calling, huh? The intolerance is not from my position.

Edited May 4, 2009 by Ahmeds Girl

[Zee Bee 61]

Can we agree to disagree?

There is no need for this back and forth.

[childress_london 3]

Ahmed's Girl, are you here to ask questions about Islam, or are you here to convince everyone that God is dead? People choose their religion (or lack of religion) based on what works for them personally. This thread is not for debating whether or not Islam or God is real or not real. I believe it was created for people who had genuine questions concerning the religion. I agree with others here that if you want to debate God and religion, then perhaps you should open a new thread for this purpose.

[Ahmeds Girl 0]

Ahmed's Girl, are you here to ask questions about Islam, or are you here to convince everyone that God is dead? People choose their religion (or lack of religion) based on what works for them personally. This thread is not for debating whether or not Islam or God is real or not real. I believe it was created for people who had genuine questions concerning the religion. I agree with others here that if you want to debate God and religion, then perhaps you should open a new thread for this purpose.

Ahmed's Girl, are you here to ask questions about Islam, or are you here to convince everyone that God is dead?

If you had bothered to read what I had said, you wouldn't have asked such a question.

The interpretation of this thread is down to each reader. This forum open for everyone to contribute to. If you want a private forum for Muslims... start one. Who are you to instruct other members on what they can say and where? My points were valid and to do with the discussion. The questions were also 'geniune'. Or do only Muslims have 'real' questions about religion?

[childress_london 3]

I am Christian, not Muslim. Perhaps your original questions got lost somewhere along the line, or were they answered? If the interpretation of this thread is up to each reader, then don't be upset when I tell you that I think this thread is not for debating for or against religion. Perhaps others here are happy debating this issue with you and I am wrong. If so, someone tell me so.

[Ahmeds Girl 0]

You don't seem to get the point that discussion is not about group consensus. The impression some here tried to give was that this thread is for Muslims only. That is NOT what the title says. I am not saying that you can't comment as a Christian, despite your strange question about me trying to convince everyone God was dead. That did make me laugh out loud. If religious people want closed forums, don't post on boards with a range of members. Please stop trying to control and limit valid contributions.

[Leyla 0]

This is a real honest question.... not trying to stir any pot... (cause this one has been stirred a lot lol).

Ok... for those of you that are Muslim (bear with me) if Islam is the true religion.... why isn't Islam for everyone?

I don't understand how one could believe a religion is the truth, but not everyone needed it.

[childress_london 3]

I'm sure everyone can find the evidence for hijab/khimar if they so chose, so I won't go into that here.

I do need to address this however:

As a "Non-hijabi" I show them that Islam is not about clothing or being forced to do something. It is above all worshiping and believing in the ONE GOD. It is also about freedom and choice and Islam is not just for Arabs. It's for everyone and anyone.

Islam is literally submission to God. We submit our nafs to Him. And that does mean we are obligated to do certain things. Once we freely choose to submit to Allah (swt) and make shahada, things become incumant upon us. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to whether or not to make salat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to paying zakat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to making hajj. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to following and loving the messenger of Allah (swt). We don't have freedom or choice as to whether or not we follow specific injunctions given in the Qur'an. And if something is clear in the hadith, we don't have a choice as to whether or not we follow that (at least if we're within the confines of alh al sunnah wa jamaah).

And yes, islam is for everyone, but just because someone choses to wear khimar does not mean they're trying to become an arab.

Dr. Umar Faruq Abdullah wrote an interesting paper on Islam and the Cultural Imperative, which discusses the role and incorporation of different cultures as islam expanded.

Actually, Islam isn't for everyone. It isn't a universal truth, nor is it an actual truth. It is only true, if you believe it - like any faith. You are so brainwashed that you can't even recognise this opinion when you make such expansive statements. A huge percentage of people all over the world don't believe in any religion. These very same people usually respect your right to believe what you like.... but smug zealots like you don't afford the same courtesy to others - as your misguided idea of God doesn't permit that, does it?

Ahmed's Girl: The original meaning behind "Islam is for everyone" was that Islam is not just for Arabs. Any ethnicity can become a Muslim if they so choose. Your response to this topic (bolded) was very rude and condescending. You continue to be rude and condescending to everyone in this thread. If your "questions" are not being answered or addressed, it is not because you are not Muslim, it is because of your attitude.

Edited May 4, 2009 by childress_london

[Muh and me 18]

I'm sure everyone can find the evidence for hijab/khimar if they so chose, so I won't go into that here.

I do need to address this however:

As a "Non-hijabi" I show them that Islam is not about clothing or being forced to do something. It is above all worshiping and believing in the ONE GOD. It is also about freedom and choice and Islam is not just for Arabs. It's for everyone and anyone.

Islam is literally submission to God. We submit our nafs to Him. And that does mean we are obligated to do certain things. Once we freely choose to submit to Allah (swt) and make shahada, things become incumant upon us. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to whether or not to make salat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to paying zakat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to making hajj. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to following and loving the messenger of Allah (swt). We don't have freedom or choice as to whether or not we follow specific injunctions given in the Qur'an. And if something is clear in the hadith, we don't have a choice as to whether or not we follow that (at least if we're within the confines of alh al sunnah wa jamaah).

And yes, islam is for everyone, but just because someone choses to wear khimar does not mean they're trying to become an arab.

Dr. Umar Faruq Abdullah wrote an interesting paper on Islam and the Cultural Imperative, which discusses the role and incorporation of different cultures as islam expanded.

Actually, Islam isn't for everyone. It isn't a universal truth, nor is it an actual truth. It is only true, if you believe it - like any faith. You are so brainwashed that you can't even recognise this opinion when you make such expansive statements. A huge percentage of people all over the world don't believe in any religion. These very same people usually respect your right to believe what you like.... but smug zealots like you don't afford the same courtesy to others - as your misguided idea of God doesn't permit that, does it?

Ahmed's Girl: The original meaning behind "Islam is for everyone" was that Islam is not just for Arabs. Any ethnicity can become a Muslim if they so choose. Your response to this topic (bolded) was very rude and condescending. You continue to be rude and condescending to everyone in this thread. If your "questions" are not being answered or addressed, it is not because you are not Muslim, it is because of your attitude.

[Muh and me 18]

I'm sure everyone can find the evidence for hijab/khimar if they so chose, so I won't go into that here.

I do need to address this however:

As a "Non-hijabi" I show them that Islam is not about clothing or being forced to do something. It is above all worshiping and believing in the ONE GOD. It is also about freedom and choice and Islam is not just for Arabs. It's for everyone and anyone.

Islam is literally submission to God. We submit our nafs to Him. And that does mean we are obligated to do certain things. Once we freely choose to submit to Allah (swt) and make shahada, things become incumant upon us. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to whether or not to make salat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to paying zakat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to making hajj. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to following and loving the messenger of Allah (swt). We don't have freedom or choice as to whether or not we follow specific injunctions given in the Qur'an. And if something is clear in the hadith, we don't have a choice as to whether or not we follow that (at least if we're within the confines of alh al sunnah wa jamaah).

And yes, islam is for everyone, but just because someone choses to wear khimar does not mean they're trying to become an arab.

Dr. Umar Faruq Abdullah wrote an interesting paper on Islam and the Cultural Imperative, which discusses the role and incorporation of different cultures as islam expanded.

Actually, Islam isn't for everyone. It isn't a universal truth, nor is it an actual truth. It is only true, if you believe it - like any faith. You are so brainwashed that you can't even recognise this opinion when you make such expansive statements. A huge percentage of people all over the world don't believe in any religion. These very same people usually respect your right to believe what you like.... but smug zealots like you don't afford the same courtesy to others - as your misguided idea of God doesn't permit that, does it?

Ahmed's Girl: The original meaning behind "Islam is for everyone" was that Islam is not just for Arabs. Any ethnicity can become a Muslim if they so choose. Your response to this topic (bolded) was very rude and condescending. You continue to be rude and condescending to everyone in this thread. If your "questions" are not being answered or addressed, it is not because you are not Muslim, it is because of your attitude.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This is a real honest question.... not trying to stir any pot... (cause this one has been stirred a lot lol).

Ok... for those of you that are Muslim (bear with me) if Islam is the true religion.... why isn't Islam for everyone?

I don't understand how one could believe a religion is the truth, but not everyone needed it.

Allah says in the Quran that Islam is not for everyone, that there are some who will be lead astray. He deals often with those who have a "hijab" over their hearts. He also says that He has made more than one path to Him, and that not all who enter jannah will be among those who call themselves Muslim, but other people of the Book may enter, too. He gives us free-will, to abstain or embrace His Message. If He merely forced us to believe, there would be no challenge in learning to live within His Intent, nor any joy in the blessings one receives from doing so.

Edited May 4, 2009 by Barza Woman

[Kathryn41 3,205]

The title of this thread states it is for general chat for muslims or anyone interested in participating. The theme clearly states that this thread is for Muslim interests and that is the perspective of those who chose to participate. No where do I see that this thread invites challenges or discussion about the validity of Islam vs any other religion, nor do I get the impression from the majority of the thread participants that this is a direction they wish to pursue.

As a moderator I am suggesting that those who are interested in discussing the merits of one religious belief vs another - or none - start a separate thread to pursue that issue and leave the arguments off of this thread. I appreciate that the participants have been very patient during the preceding discussions, but believe they are right - this is not the thread for this type of discussion. Please do not continue it here. Start a new thread for that purpose if you wish to continue.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The title of this thread states it is for general chat for muslims or anyone interested in participating. The theme clearly states that this thread is for Muslim interests and that is the perspective of those who chose to participate. No where do I see that this thread invites challenges or discussion about the validity of Islam vs any other religion, nor do I get the impression from the majority of the thread participants that this is a direction they wish to pursue.

As a moderator I am suggesting that those who are interested in discussing the merits of one religious belief vs another - or none - start a separate thread to pursue that issue and leave the arguments off of this thread. I appreciate that the participants have been very patient during the preceding discussions, but believe they are right - this is not the thread for this type of discussion. Please do not continue it here. Start a new thread for that purpose if you wish to continue.

Thank you very much!

[merijan 0]

The title of this thread states it is for general chat for muslims or anyone interested in participating. The theme clearly states that this thread is for Muslim interests and that is the perspective of those who chose to participate. No where do I see that this thread invites challenges or discussion about the validity of Islam vs any other religion, nor do I get the impression from the majority of the thread participants that this is a direction they wish to pursue.

As a moderator I am suggesting that those who are interested in discussing the merits of one religious belief vs another - or none - start a separate thread to pursue that issue and leave the arguments off of this thread. I appreciate that the participants have been very patient during the preceding discussions, but believe they are right - this is not the thread for this type of discussion. Please do not continue it here. Start a new thread for that purpose if you wish to continue.

Thanks, its appreciated.

[Leyla 0]

This is a real honest question.... not trying to stir any pot... (cause this one has been stirred a lot lol).

Ok... for those of you that are Muslim (bear with me) if Islam is the true religion.... why isn't Islam for everyone?

I don't understand how one could believe a religion is the truth, but not everyone needed it.

Allah says in the Quran that Islam is not for everyone, that there are some who will be lead astray. He deals often with those who have a "hijab" over their hearts. He also says that He has made more than one path to Him, and that not all who enter jannah will be among those who call themselves Muslim, but other people of the Book may enter, too. He gives us free-will, to abstain or embrace His Message. If He merely forced us to believe, there would be no challenge in learning to live within His Intent, nor any joy in the blessings one receives from doing so.

Interesting. I knew about the "People of the Book" but I still got the impression that Muslims still believed Islam was the only way. I guess I fall under the PotB category.

Do you know where it says in the Qur'an that Islam is not necessarily for everyone? and that there are different paths? I would like to read that for myself in my Qur'an.