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[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

aha but... praying is a pillar in islam... hijab isnt.

to answer your question: praying is more important than hijab even do both of them are required. Muslima who wear hijab are most likely to pray but the muslima without hijab are less likely to pray even do they have good moral and inside. if you don't pray you are not a Muslim but if you don't wear hijab you are still a muslim that comit a sin and can be forgiven.

then that would be along the lines of the muslim men who pray but go out drinking, cursing and sleeping around. They are so good bcz they pray but the other stuff they do is commiting a sin and is forgiveable. Got it!

[adam1 1]

I got you point Tamara. we all human and do mistakes and ask god for forgiveness.

I was talking to public not just you sorry if I was rude

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

I got you point Tamara. we all human and do mistakes and ask god for forgiveness.

I was talking to public not just you sorry if I was rude

no no, your OK. No problems! This chat was more to point out for the other women in the thread that read this.

It was nice to have a cool calm dabate! Shukran !

I think its good that our opinions can be said without bashing one anothers opinions. Thats style.

Edited April 11, 2009 by TamaraLovesAdam

[adam1 1]

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Edited April 11, 2009 by adam1

[adam1 1]

aha but... praying is a pillar in islam... hijab isnt.

to answer your question: praying is more important than hijab even do both of them are required. Muslima who wear hijab are most likely to pray but the muslima without hijab are less likely to pray even do they have good moral and inside. if you don't pray you are not a Muslim but if you don't wear hijab you are still a muslim that comit a sin and can be forgiven.

then that would be along the lines of the muslim men who pray but go out drinking, cursing and sleeping around. They are so good bcz they pray but the other stuff they do is commiting a sin and is forgiveable. Got it!

What those men do is wrong, but god will decide what to do about them.

we are talking about whats required and whats not, we are not here to judge.

Edited April 11, 2009 by adam1

[adam1 1]

aha but... praying is a pillar in islam... hijab isnt.

to answer your question: praying is more important than hijab even do both of them are required. Muslima who wear hijab are most likely to pray but the muslima without hijab are less likely to pray even do they have good moral and inside. if you don't pray you are not a Muslim but if you don't wear hijab you are still a muslim that comit a sin and can be forgiven.

then that would be along the lines of the muslim men who pray but go out drinking, cursing and sleeping around. They are so good bcz they pray but the other stuff they do is commiting a sin and is forgiveable. Got it!

What those men do is wrong, but god will decide what to do about them.

we are talking about whats required and whats not, we are not here to judge.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

aha but... praying is a pillar in islam... hijab isnt.

to answer your question: praying is more important than hijab even do both of them are required. Muslima who wear hijab are most likely to pray but the muslima without hijab are less likely to pray even do they have good moral and inside. if you don't pray you are not a Muslim but if you don't wear hijab you are still a muslim that comit a sin and can be forgiven.

then that would be along the lines of the muslim men who pray but go out drinking, cursing and sleeping around. They are so good bcz they pray but the other stuff they do is commiting a sin and is forgiveable. Got it!

What those men do is wrong, but god will decide what to do about them.

we are talking about whats required and whats not, we are not here to judge.

ohh.... bcz what you said above that i underlined was judgemental of muslim women and by you assuming that most all the ones in the world that dont wear hijab -dont pray.

[adam1 1]

I'm a muslim and I based what I said on my own family and friends experience. if a Muslim women wear hijab she is more likely to be a good practisant,

but not always true, some may wear hijab because they are forced too by the society or husbands. and some may choose not wear it because they are forced to, I know a girl that use to wear hijab and took it off so she can get a job. a friend of mine his name is Othman was a honor student we graduate at the same time he couldn't get a job because he wear islamic men dress. I advise him to take it off because it wasn't required for him, plus he need to pay his bills and thats a priority.

Islam is easy and have option and if you chose to complicate you won't hurt no body but your self.

[Leyla 0]

I think Hijab is a requirment, But if you live in non Muslim country and fear for your life or you may be hurrassed you don't have to wear it Allah(SWT) said in the Qoran WALA TARMO BI ANFOSIKOM ILA TAHLOKA means do not expose your self to danger.

Astrfiro Allah for any mistakes , its just my opinion

gotta post my thoughts on that... if hajab was required then God wouldnt have told you for fear of your life or possible harrassment its ok NOT to wear it. Then each woman could say at any point in life they are in fear of their life for X reason or for harrassment. It either IS or ISNT a requirment.

I'm not a scholar, that was my opinion. what do you think about it?

I grew up in a home that from the time I was 12-18, my mother believed that God wanted us to dress in dresses and skirts in modest apparel. My sister and I did it for 6 years while living in the home. So, i did grow up in a very modest appearance home. We also know that modesty is also inside as well.

I myself do NOT believe a headcovering is required. I do not even wear dresses all the time now BUT I do wholeheartedly believe in MODESTY. I believe I can be just as modest in pants and a shirt as well as a long flowing dress or skirt and that some could be in a dress and not modest on the inside.

[Leyla 0]

Omg I want to ptch in but I have to go to work..... hold this thought until about..... 3:30 Eastern Time!

[adam1 1]

Omg I want to ptch in but I have to go to work..... hold this thought until about..... 3:30 Eastern Time!

we will be here leyla.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

I think Hijab is a requirment, But if you live in non Muslim country and fear for your life or you may be hurrassed you don't have to wear it Allah(SWT) said in the Qoran WALA TARMO BI ANFOSIKOM ILA TAHLOKA means do not expose your self to danger.

Astrfiro Allah for any mistakes , its just my opinion

gotta post my thoughts on that... if hajab was required then God wouldnt have told you for fear of your life or possible harrassment its ok NOT to wear it. Then each woman could say at any point in life they are in fear of their life for X reason or for harrassment. It either IS or ISNT a requirment.

I'm not a scholar, that was my opinion. what do you think about it?

I grew up in a home that from the time I was 12-18, my mother believed that God wanted us to dress in dresses and skirts in modest apparel. My sister and I did it for 6 years while living in the home. So, i did grow up in a very modest appearance home. We also know that modesty is also inside as well.

I myself do NOT believe a headcovering is required. I do not even wear dresses all the time now BUT I do wholeheartedly believe in MODESTY. I believe I can be just as modest in pants and a shirt as well as a long flowing dress or skirt and that some could be in a dress and not modest on the inside.

Are you and your husband muslims and what does he think about Hijab?

No, but he grew up muslim. We are christians.

He thinks hijab is nearly hilarious bcz some women from around his flat would get nearly naked out on the roof/balcony for all to see when their husbands werent around... ( not very inward or outward modest) and he doesnt get why women where tons of makeup but wrap their hair up if the point is modesty.

I will also add that while the above post is true, we both believe hijab is a form of modesty, nothing personal against it but again not a requirement.

[Ahmeds Girl 0]

I'm in a total muslim slump. No praying, thinkin' about ditchin the hijab (please no debate about it), etc. No idea why just the way it's happened. *sigh*

I'm in the same boat stakfirallah but I would never ditch the hijab cause I feel naked outside without it...What makes it harder is that I have no support system and the masjid is 40 min away. May Allah SWT guide us again to the straight path and protect us from the ameen. It's also not good to openly discuss sin but i think it helps us come together to become stronger inchallah.

Well I think if HE knows then why is it bad for everyone else to know, you know? Plus it's a way for people to relate since I'm sure many go through it. Regarding hijab I'm just sick of it to be honest. The physical part that is. Maybe this is a natural phase too who knows. I'm in a pity party mood about it. I hate not being able to have a chic haircut anymore for all to see. I hate being different than everyone else. We do have 2 other hijabis in my building but to be honest they're both so rude imho. I've smiled and said salam to both and both would respond and then just look away like I'm some weirdo. Most of all I think because softball season has begun so I'll be attending like 2 to 3 games/week and there I feel like a massive spectacle.

My hesitation at first was that wearing it would put more attention on my self and that would be defeating what I thought the whole purpose was. What made me start wearing it was that I had this revelation that the true purpose was above what I am able to comprehend. I truly felt that and still do to a certain extent but my life is so very stressful now and that part of it is compounding the stress level for me lately. Oh and did I mention summer is coming and I dread it????

So much about no debate. I'm debating myself. lol

Why don't you start with being truly honest with yourself and God? I have read you state that after studying the issues you did NOT believe that women had to wear hijab. A SHORT WHILE LATER, YOU WERE YOU WEAR WEARING IT. The truth is that you wear it purely because of pressure from your husband. You are like many women here in that regard - weak and dependant on your husband's approval - not God's.

Everything you write screams that you are lying to yourself. Lying to your husband is the easy route, isn't it? Telling him the truth means that all HIS prejudices about women will come tumbling onto your head and you will have to deal with that. Stop trying so hard to adapt to his culture and let him see what is good about yours. You are not Egyptian... you are American and he lives here now. If you lived in Egypt, little provision would be made for you to adapt.

For the sake of your sanity and your marriage - get honest and tough now. If your husband can't love you as really are, deal with it. Of all the women on this board, I feel most alarmed by what you write. Listen to al the enablers on here, pretending to believe in Islam for the sake of a husband/lover... or get real with yourself and God. I think you do believe in God... but humor your ignorant husband by pretending to buy into the women-hating rot his type of Islam promotes.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

i have always felt it wasnt necessary to go to (a place) to pray you can pray anywhere within yourself at any time to whomever you feel you look to. The one that needs to see how you live your life will see this on a daily basis not depending on where you are or what your wearing. Actions speak louder than words no matter what religion

[Ahmeds Girl 0]

I'm sure everyone can find the evidence for hijab/khimar if they so chose, so I won't go into that here.

I do need to address this however:

As a "Non-hijabi" I show them that Islam is not about clothing or being forced to do something. It is above all worshiping and believing in the ONE GOD. It is also about freedom and choice and Islam is not just for Arabs. It's for everyone and anyone.

Islam is literally submission to God. We submit our nafs to Him. And that does mean we are obligated to do certain things. Once we freely choose to submit to Allah (swt) and make shahada, things become incumant upon us. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to whether or not to make salat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to paying zakat. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to making hajj. We don't have freedom or choice when it comes to following and loving the messenger of Allah (swt). We don't have freedom or choice as to whether or not we follow specific injunctions given in the Qur'an. And if something is clear in the hadith, we don't have a choice as to whether or not we follow that (at least if we're within the confines of alh al sunnah wa jamaah).

And yes, islam is for everyone, but just because someone choses to wear khimar does not mean they're trying to become an arab.

Dr. Umar Faruq Abdullah wrote an interesting paper on Islam and the Cultural Imperative, which discusses the role and incorporation of different cultures as islam expanded.

Actually, Islam isn't for everyone. It isn't a universal truth, nor is it an actual truth. It is only true, if you believe it - like any faith. You are so brainwashed that you can't even recognise this opinion when you make such expansive statements. A huge percentage of people all over the world don't believe in any religion. These very same people usually respect your right to believe what you like.... but smug zealots like you don't afford the same courtesy to others - as your misguided idea of God doesn't permit that, does it?

Edited April 11, 2009 by Ahmeds Girl