Dr. Arthur Robinson (OISM) to Release Names of over 30,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Hypothesis

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Yes, don't you know that all fundies are loonie nuts and everything they say is BS.

Here's more on this Fundie Nut....

Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

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Robinson established the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine in 1980. In its early years, the OISM focused much of its attention on a new theory that Robinson had developed regarding "molecular clocks" that he thought might influence aging. It also became involved in issues related to nuclear war and civil defense. It published two books, Nuclear War Survival Skills (foreword by H-bomb inventor Edward Teller), which argues that "the dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated" into "demoralizing myths." Robinson also co-authored another civil defense book titled Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, in collaboration with Gary North, who like Robinson is a conservative Christian. North is also a prolific author of doomsday books with titles such as None Dare Call It Witchcraft; Conspiracy: A Biblical View; Rapture Fever; and How You Can Profit From the Coming Price Controls. Following his collaboration with Robinson, North built a web-based marketing empire built around apocalyptic predictions that the Y2K bug would make the dawn of the 21st century "the year the earth stands still." North predicted that computer failures would cause "cascading cross defaults, where banks cannot settle accounts with each other, and the banking system goes into gridlock, worldwide," in addition to disruptions of oil supplies, electricity, manufacturing and public utility systems. "We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down," North predicted in late 1999, boasting, "I was the only person saying this on a Web site in early 1998, although a few sites do today." (After his Y2K predictions fizzled, North retooled his website to offer internet marketing products and services.) [Note from Gary North: Dr. Robinson did not believe my Y2K predictions, and in any case is no way responsible for my writings, which should be obvious to any fair-minded reader of this article on Dr. Robinson.]

In 1988, Robinson's wife died suddenly and he took over the home-schooling of their six children, leading to a profitable side business. He assembled a set of 22 CD-ROM disks containing public-domain versions of various books and educational materials such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica, Robinson Crusoe and McGuffey's Readers, which the family now markets as a home-schooling kit. The kits sell for $200 each, and Robinson says the curriculum has been purchased by more than 32,000 families. The OISM website markets the cirriculum as a way to "teach your children to teach themselves and to acquire superior knowledge as did many of America's most outstanding citizens in the days before socialism in education." The OISM website also offers educational links to a creationist website and an online discussion group called RobinsonUsers4Christ, "for Bible & Trinity-believing, God-fearing, 'Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else' Christian families who use the Robinson Curriculum to share ideas and to get and give support."

.....

Case Study: The Oregon Petition

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

....

In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ce_and_Medicine

In conclusion, Gary...you've gone MAD! MAD I tell you! oh boy...hehehehehe

[HAL 9000 96]

Wow... I just realized that nutty review does follow the PNAS format... wow I wonder if they realize they're opening themselves up for even more bouts of laughter... vis a vis not getting themselves taken seriously?

[GaryC 7]

Like I also stated, that's what science classes are for.

I don't know about everything... maybe just an expert at being able to tell the difference between a 6, or even a 12 page REVIEW versus an 8 page research paper. You, apparently, can't tell the difference.

FYI, I have had college level science classes. Just not enough of them to call myself a "scientist". I still find it amazing that you can sit there and say you can read something for a few minutes and call it wrong. If this is all the attention you pay to your work then I don't see how you can even call yourself a scientist. However, that is just one part of my post. You can disagree with the study all you want. You can't just laugh off the 30,000+ scientists that signed the following petition:

Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Unless of course you are saying you know more than all of these scientists. If that is the case I would say you need to look up the word Megalomania.

[Niels Bohr 72]

you know I don't know if I believe in Global warming or not but what we are spewing into the atmosphere has to have some effect...

Humans are polluters, definitely. We consume, and waste. One of the major things that have caused the many trees in forests reserves in the NE area that are protected by the EPA have shown based on their "growth rings" that is suffered from irregular growth periods decades ago.

This is caused by the increase of dihydrogen sulfate (sulfuric acid). Many water reservoir that are protected must be controlled with calcium carbonate (base) to neutralize the PH so that it will not affect wild life and us. Well, you already know pollution.

English is a second language, but you get my drift.

Edited May 20, 2008 by consolemaster

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Spoken by one, who can determine one

That's an ironic statement if ever I heard one.

No Irony, just facts! Son youve been collared and are being takin for a walk and you dont even know it! Now theres some irony.

If I were you I'd work on my understanding of metaphor before I attempt to grapple with the concept of "fact".

[GaryC 7]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Yes, don't you know that all fundies are loonie nuts and everything they say is BS.

Here's more on this Fundie Nut....

Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

.....

Robinson established the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine in 1980. In its early years, the OISM focused much of its attention on a new theory that Robinson had developed regarding "molecular clocks" that he thought might influence aging. It also became involved in issues related to nuclear war and civil defense. It published two books, Nuclear War Survival Skills (foreword by H-bomb inventor Edward Teller), which argues that "the dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated" into "demoralizing myths." Robinson also co-authored another civil defense book titled Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, in collaboration with Gary North, who like Robinson is a conservative Christian. North is also a prolific author of doomsday books with titles such as None Dare Call It Witchcraft; Conspiracy: A Biblical View; Rapture Fever; and How You Can Profit From the Coming Price Controls. Following his collaboration with Robinson, North built a web-based marketing empire built around apocalyptic predictions that the Y2K bug would make the dawn of the 21st century "the year the earth stands still." North predicted that computer failures would cause "cascading cross defaults, where banks cannot settle accounts with each other, and the banking system goes into gridlock, worldwide," in addition to disruptions of oil supplies, electricity, manufacturing and public utility systems. "We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down," North predicted in late 1999, boasting, "I was the only person saying this on a Web site in early 1998, although a few sites do today." (After his Y2K predictions fizzled, North retooled his website to offer internet marketing products and services.) [Note from Gary North: Dr. Robinson did not believe my Y2K predictions, and in any case is no way responsible for my writings, which should be obvious to any fair-minded reader of this article on Dr. Robinson.]

In 1988, Robinson's wife died suddenly and he took over the home-schooling of their six children, leading to a profitable side business. He assembled a set of 22 CD-ROM disks containing public-domain versions of various books and educational materials such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica, Robinson Crusoe and McGuffey's Readers, which the family now markets as a home-schooling kit. The kits sell for $200 each, and Robinson says the curriculum has been purchased by more than 32,000 families. The OISM website markets the cirriculum as a way to "teach your children to teach themselves and to acquire superior knowledge as did many of America's most outstanding citizens in the days before socialism in education." The OISM website also offers educational links to a creationist website and an online discussion group called RobinsonUsers4Christ, "for Bible & Trinity-believing, God-fearing, 'Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else' Christian families who use the Robinson Curriculum to share ideas and to get and give support."

.....

Case Study: The Oregon Petition

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

....

In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ce_and_Medicine

In conclusion, Gary...you've gone MAD! MAD I tell you! oh boy...hehehehehe

And your a condencending azzhole. Just because someone has a different belief system than you automaticly makes them a nut.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Listen before you reply.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/ch...survival-p1.php

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Yes, don't you know that all fundies are loonie nuts and everything they say is BS.

Here's more on this Fundie Nut....

Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

.....

Robinson established the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine in 1980. In its early years, the OISM focused much of its attention on a new theory that Robinson had developed regarding "molecular clocks" that he thought might influence aging. It also became involved in issues related to nuclear war and civil defense. It published two books, Nuclear War Survival Skills (foreword by H-bomb inventor Edward Teller), which argues that "the dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated" into "demoralizing myths." Robinson also co-authored another civil defense book titled Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, in collaboration with Gary North, who like Robinson is a conservative Christian. North is also a prolific author of doomsday books with titles such as None Dare Call It Witchcraft; Conspiracy: A Biblical View; Rapture Fever; and How You Can Profit From the Coming Price Controls. Following his collaboration with Robinson, North built a web-based marketing empire built around apocalyptic predictions that the Y2K bug would make the dawn of the 21st century "the year the earth stands still." North predicted that computer failures would cause "cascading cross defaults, where banks cannot settle accounts with each other, and the banking system goes into gridlock, worldwide," in addition to disruptions of oil supplies, electricity, manufacturing and public utility systems. "We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down," North predicted in late 1999, boasting, "I was the only person saying this on a Web site in early 1998, although a few sites do today." (After his Y2K predictions fizzled, North retooled his website to offer internet marketing products and services.) [Note from Gary North: Dr. Robinson did not believe my Y2K predictions, and in any case is no way responsible for my writings, which should be obvious to any fair-minded reader of this article on Dr. Robinson.]

In 1988, Robinson's wife died suddenly and he took over the home-schooling of their six children, leading to a profitable side business. He assembled a set of 22 CD-ROM disks containing public-domain versions of various books and educational materials such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica, Robinson Crusoe and McGuffey's Readers, which the family now markets as a home-schooling kit. The kits sell for $200 each, and Robinson says the curriculum has been purchased by more than 32,000 families. The OISM website markets the cirriculum as a way to "teach your children to teach themselves and to acquire superior knowledge as did many of America's most outstanding citizens in the days before socialism in education." The OISM website also offers educational links to a creationist website and an online discussion group called RobinsonUsers4Christ, "for Bible & Trinity-believing, God-fearing, 'Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else' Christian families who use the Robinson Curriculum to share ideas and to get and give support."

.....

Case Study: The Oregon Petition

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

....

In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ce_and_Medicine

In conclusion, Gary...you've gone MAD! MAD I tell you! oh boy...hehehehehe

And your a condencending azzhole. Just because someone has a different belief system than you automaticly makes them a nut.

There's different and "different"

[HAL 9000 96]

Like I also stated, that's what science classes are for.

I don't know about everything... maybe just an expert at being able to tell the difference between a 6, or even a 12 page REVIEW versus an 8 page research paper. You, apparently, can't tell the difference.

FYI, I have had college level science classes. Just not enough of them to call myself a "scientist". I still find it amazing that you can sit there and say you can read something for a few minutes and call it wrong. If this is all the attention you pay to your work then I don't see how you can even call yourself a scientist. However, that is just one part of my post. You can disagree with the study all you want. You can't just laugh off the 30,000+ scientists that signed the following petition:

Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Unless of course you are saying you know more than all of these scientists. If that is the case I would say you need to look up the word Megalomania.

Like I said, that is what science courses are for. Don't take it hard if I am capable of reading the actual information that is there.

Again, and I invited you into an actual middle-school science experiment a little farther back, that would be a little more complete than the plant experiment you attempted with covered plants. You ran away and called me a liar. Bravo brother Gary. Just to prove how off you were from scientific reality.

As for the actual scientists that "support" this petition, it is not only questionable, but given the mechanisms for convincing these scientists to sign on to the "petition," once again lacking in actual data, I do find it highly unethical. Yes, ethics was another science course I took.

[aidan80 9]

Is there global warming.. isn't there global warming.. reminds me when once there where many good doctors saying smoking is good for you.. of course it was it was... good for business at the time!.. typical right wing attitudes, money before people, always twisting the facts.

[HAL 9000 96]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Yes, don't you know that all fundies are loonie nuts and everything they say is BS.

Here's more on this Fundie Nut....

Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

.....

Robinson established the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine in 1980. In its early years, the OISM focused much of its attention on a new theory that Robinson had developed regarding "molecular clocks" that he thought might influence aging. It also became involved in issues related to nuclear war and civil defense. It published two books, Nuclear War Survival Skills (foreword by H-bomb inventor Edward Teller), which argues that "the dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated" into "demoralizing myths." Robinson also co-authored another civil defense book titled Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, in collaboration with Gary North, who like Robinson is a conservative Christian. North is also a prolific author of doomsday books with titles such as None Dare Call It Witchcraft; Conspiracy: A Biblical View; Rapture Fever; and How You Can Profit From the Coming Price Controls. Following his collaboration with Robinson, North built a web-based marketing empire built around apocalyptic predictions that the Y2K bug would make the dawn of the 21st century "the year the earth stands still." North predicted that computer failures would cause "cascading cross defaults, where banks cannot settle accounts with each other, and the banking system goes into gridlock, worldwide," in addition to disruptions of oil supplies, electricity, manufacturing and public utility systems. "We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down," North predicted in late 1999, boasting, "I was the only person saying this on a Web site in early 1998, although a few sites do today." (After his Y2K predictions fizzled, North retooled his website to offer internet marketing products and services.) [Note from Gary North: Dr. Robinson did not believe my Y2K predictions, and in any case is no way responsible for my writings, which should be obvious to any fair-minded reader of this article on Dr. Robinson.]

In 1988, Robinson's wife died suddenly and he took over the home-schooling of their six children, leading to a profitable side business. He assembled a set of 22 CD-ROM disks containing public-domain versions of various books and educational materials such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica, Robinson Crusoe and McGuffey's Readers, which the family now markets as a home-schooling kit. The kits sell for $200 each, and Robinson says the curriculum has been purchased by more than 32,000 families. The OISM website markets the cirriculum as a way to "teach your children to teach themselves and to acquire superior knowledge as did many of America's most outstanding citizens in the days before socialism in education." The OISM website also offers educational links to a creationist website and an online discussion group called RobinsonUsers4Christ, "for Bible & Trinity-believing, God-fearing, 'Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else' Christian families who use the Robinson Curriculum to share ideas and to get and give support."

.....

Case Study: The Oregon Petition

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

....

In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ce_and_Medicine

In conclusion, Gary...you've gone MAD! MAD I tell you! oh boy...hehehehehe

And your a condencending azzhole. Just because someone has a different belief system than you automaticly makes them a nut.

Wow Gary, chill pill there buddy.

[GaryC 7]

Like I also stated, that's what science classes are for.

I don't know about everything... maybe just an expert at being able to tell the difference between a 6, or even a 12 page REVIEW versus an 8 page research paper. You, apparently, can't tell the difference.

FYI, I have had college level science classes. Just not enough of them to call myself a "scientist". I still find it amazing that you can sit there and say you can read something for a few minutes and call it wrong. If this is all the attention you pay to your work then I don't see how you can even call yourself a scientist. However, that is just one part of my post. You can disagree with the study all you want. You can't just laugh off the 30,000+ scientists that signed the following petition:

Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Unless of course you are saying you know more than all of these scientists. If that is the case I would say you need to look up the word Megalomania.

Like I said, that is what science courses are for. Don't take it hard if I am capable of reading the actual information that is there.

Again, and I invited you into an actual middle-school science experiment a little farther back, that would be a little more complete than the plant experiment you attempted with covered plants. You ran away and called me a liar. Bravo brother Gary. Just to prove how off you were from scientific reality.

As for the actual scientists that "support" this petition, it is not only questionable, but given the mechanisms for convincing these scientists to sign on to the "petition," once again lacking in actual data, I do find it highly unethical. Yes, ethics was another science course I took.

Yes, your so much better than all the rest of us arn't you. Oh, I didn't even go back to the other thread after my last post so I have no idea what BS you wrote there. Your opinion means very little to me. And this thread has shown others just how full of yourself you are. No one, not even a PHd, would skim something for a minute and declare it useless. You all political rhetoric and no objectivity.

Edited May 20, 2008 by GaryC

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Dr. Robinson is a loony nut who happens to be a scientist...who happens to dispute the Theory of Evolution...because it conflicts with his fundamental religious views.

Yes, don't you know that all fundies are loonie nuts and everything they say is BS.

Here's more on this Fundie Nut....

Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

.....

Robinson established the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine in 1980. In its early years, the OISM focused much of its attention on a new theory that Robinson had developed regarding "molecular clocks" that he thought might influence aging. It also became involved in issues related to nuclear war and civil defense. It published two books, Nuclear War Survival Skills (foreword by H-bomb inventor Edward Teller), which argues that "the dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated" into "demoralizing myths." Robinson also co-authored another civil defense book titled Fighting Chance: Ten Feet to Survival, in collaboration with Gary North, who like Robinson is a conservative Christian. North is also a prolific author of doomsday books with titles such as None Dare Call It Witchcraft; Conspiracy: A Biblical View; Rapture Fever; and How You Can Profit From the Coming Price Controls. Following his collaboration with Robinson, North built a web-based marketing empire built around apocalyptic predictions that the Y2K bug would make the dawn of the 21st century "the year the earth stands still." North predicted that computer failures would cause "cascading cross defaults, where banks cannot settle accounts with each other, and the banking system goes into gridlock, worldwide," in addition to disruptions of oil supplies, electricity, manufacturing and public utility systems. "We are facing a breakdown of civilization if the power grid goes down," North predicted in late 1999, boasting, "I was the only person saying this on a Web site in early 1998, although a few sites do today." (After his Y2K predictions fizzled, North retooled his website to offer internet marketing products and services.) [Note from Gary North: Dr. Robinson did not believe my Y2K predictions, and in any case is no way responsible for my writings, which should be obvious to any fair-minded reader of this article on Dr. Robinson.]

In 1988, Robinson's wife died suddenly and he took over the home-schooling of their six children, leading to a profitable side business. He assembled a set of 22 CD-ROM disks containing public-domain versions of various books and educational materials such as the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica, Robinson Crusoe and McGuffey's Readers, which the family now markets as a home-schooling kit. The kits sell for $200 each, and Robinson says the curriculum has been purchased by more than 32,000 families. The OISM website markets the cirriculum as a way to "teach your children to teach themselves and to acquire superior knowledge as did many of America's most outstanding citizens in the days before socialism in education." The OISM website also offers educational links to a creationist website and an online discussion group called RobinsonUsers4Christ, "for Bible & Trinity-believing, God-fearing, 'Jesus-Plus-Nothing-Else' Christian families who use the Robinson Curriculum to share ideas and to get and give support."

.....

Case Study: The Oregon Petition

The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper. Authored by OISM's Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Willie Soon, and Zachary W. Robinson, the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Also included was a reprint of a December 1997, Wall Street Journal editorial, "Science Has Spoken: Global Warming Is a Myth, by Arthur and Zachary Robinson. A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers.

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In reality, neither Robinson's paper nor OISM's petition drive had anything to do with the National Academy of Sciences, which first heard about the petition when its members began calling to ask if the NAS had taken a stand against the Kyoto treaty. Robinson was not even a climate scientist. He was a biochemist with no published research in the field of climatology, and his paper had never been subjected to peer review by anyone with training in the field. In fact, the paper had never been accepted for publication anywhere, let alone in the NAS Proceedings. It was self-published by Robinson, who did the typesetting himself on his own computer. (It was subsequently published as a "review" in Climate Research, which contributed to an editorial scandal at that publication.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title...ce_and_Medicine

In conclusion, Gary...you've gone MAD! MAD I tell you! oh boy...hehehehehe

And your a condencending azzhole. Just because someone has a different belief system than you automaticly makes them a nut.

Oh the irony.

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I didn't take Science past Sixth Form college - but I do know that scientific research papers are written to established academic formats, precisely to allow for easy reference and quick recall of data. They also have abstracts summarising the entire paper so that other researchers can pull them up and find out what they are about at a glance.

Edited May 20, 2008 by Number 6

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Like I also stated, that's what science classes are for.

I don't know about everything... maybe just an expert at being able to tell the difference between a 6, or even a 12 page REVIEW versus an 8 page research paper. You, apparently, can't tell the difference.

FYI, I have had college level science classes. Just not enough of them to call myself a "scientist". I still find it amazing that you can sit there and say you can read something for a few minutes and call it wrong. If this is all the attention you pay to your work then I don't see how you can even call yourself a scientist. However, that is just one part of my post. You can disagree with the study all you want. You can't just laugh off the 30,000+ scientists that signed the following petition:

Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

Unless of course you are saying you know more than all of these scientists. If that is the case I would say you need to look up the word Megalomania.

Like I said, that is what science courses are for. Don't take it hard if I am capable of reading the actual information that is there.

Again, and I invited you into an actual middle-school science experiment a little farther back, that would be a little more complete than the plant experiment you attempted with covered plants. You ran away and called me a liar. Bravo brother Gary. Just to prove how off you were from scientific reality.

As for the actual scientists that "support" this petition, it is not only questionable, but given the mechanisms for convincing these scientists to sign on to the "petition," once again lacking in actual data, I do find it highly unethical. Yes, ethics was another science course I took.

Yes, your so much better than all the rest of us arn't you. Oh, I didn't even go back to the other thread after my last post so I have no idea what BS you wrote there. Your opinion means very little to me. And this thread has shown others just how full of yourself you are. No one, not even a PHd, would skim something for a minute and declare it useless. You all political rhetoric and no objectivity.

Again we have Gary sense on the attack.

Once again I find myself laughing as I yet again remind you that it is not mine or anyone else's assumed superiority to yourself... its your inability to accept simple scientific precepts and procedures... yet claiming years of familiarity and respect for climate science. PhD or attitude aside... Gary... perhaps you should attempt to heed to outside suggestions before continuing being a laughing stick here. If only you would present actual data, with congruent conclusions, then perhaps you wouldn't have to defend yourself with useless whining would you?

And yes, it usually takes about 15-20 seconds to revise a figure in a science paper, even actual research papers, not bogus reviews like the one you present here in your futility. Entire papers? 5-6-10 minutes. Don't hate yourself so much over not getting it.

Then again, you seem to know quite a lot about my (and others') reading comprehension. Can you comment a little more?

And the BS you couldn't understand dealt with plant physiology that even a middle schooler could reproduce at home with cellophane and Wisconsin fast plants.

Edited May 20, 2008 by maviwaro