Visa Fraud- Using B-2 with intention to immigrate

[Kez/JWolf 6]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. its not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

[Big Papa Zone 93]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. It's not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

Just about sums it up really. Fair play to those who can exploit legal loopholes, I say. If the lawmakers have a problem with that, then they need to amend their laws, don't they..................

Edited August 4, 2008 by Damian P

[Gemmie 142]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. its not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

I understand why you took advantage of the loophole, I really do. It makes it so much easier.

I just don't like how it's so EASY to commit fraud with a loophole like that.

I could have very easily just stayed in the US last summer, gotten married and then adjusted status, whether I had intentions of it beforehand or not. Because it's that easy, no one has to know anything that was inside my head. I was enrolled in university for another two years at that point too so that makes it look as though it was unintentional.

However, since I then left the US, WITH the intention of still wanting to get married, that means I have to wait out an entire visa process BEFORE being allowed to simply adjust status. Who's to say that I can't just skip the entire K1 (that isn't yet filed), marry on my next visit (while I'm still enrolled in school for another year), adjust status and claim that it was a spur of the moment decision? The only difference between me and someone that skipped the K1 is that they didn't realise they wanted to get married before entering the US.

I understand why couples take advantage of the legal route, but they really need to justify why it's allowed to happen when others are made to wait just because they're not yet in the US.

[eric_and_teresa 10]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. its not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

Are you responding to the previous poster or to me, the OP?

Of course it is legal to adjust your status if there was no intent when you entered the U.S., that is not the subject of the discussion here.

I just want to make clear AGAIN, that my intention was to discuss about people who openly commit visa fraud by using an immigrant visa with the PRIOR intention to immigrate. I

[rebeccajo 14]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. its not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

I understand why you took advantage of the loophole, I really do. It makes it so much easier.

I just don't like how it's so EASY to commit fraud with a loophole like that.

I could have very easily just stayed in the US last summer, gotten married and then adjusted status, whether I had intentions of it beforehand or not. Because it's that easy, no one has to know anything that was inside my head. I was enrolled in university for another two years at that point too so that makes it look as though it was unintentional.

However, since I then left the US, WITH the intention of still wanting to get married, that means I have to wait out an entire visa process BEFORE being allowed to simply adjust status. Who's to say that I can't just skip the entire K1 (that isn't yet filed), marry on my next visit (while I'm still enrolled in school for another year), adjust status and claim that it was a spur of the moment decision? The only difference between me and someone that skipped the K1 is that they didn't realise they wanted to get married before entering the US.

I understand why couples take advantage of the legal route, but they really need to justify why it's allowed to happen when others are made to wait just because they're not yet in the US.

Read the history of John and Kezzie before you call infer they are fraudsters or rip into them about 'using' a loophole. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Just because somebody didn't 'suffer' as much as you did during immigration doesn't mean you have to be pi$$ed off about the process. Nobody took your cookie.

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

Edited August 4, 2008 by rebeccajo

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I am sorry that you feel that anyone doing AOS after entering with no intent to stay and they are on a Tourist Visa or VWP should be sent home and have to apply for a K1, K3/CR1. I thank god that people who enter with no intent ARE allowed to File for AOS and remain here while it is being processed.

The law allows for people to do this and Kezzie and I used this option that was available to us so that She did not have to go back to Scotland. I for one would never encourage anyone to plan to commit visa fraud by entering with intent to remain, but if like us you find yourself wanting to get married and you are already here in the US and you wish to stay then there is a legal option that allows you to AOS without having to return to your home country then who would not take it. its not cheating the system, its not wrong, its not jumping the line, IT IS A LEGAL OPTION.

Jon

I understand why you took advantage of the loophole, I really do. It makes it so much easier.

I just don't like how it's so EASY to commit fraud with a loophole like that.

I could have very easily just stayed in the US last summer, gotten married and then adjusted status, whether I had intentions of it beforehand or not. Because it's that easy, no one has to know anything that was inside my head. I was enrolled in university for another two years at that point too so that makes it look as though it was unintentional.

However, since I then left the US, WITH the intention of still wanting to get married, that means I have to wait out an entire visa process BEFORE being allowed to simply adjust status. Who's to say that I can't just skip the entire K1 (that isn't yet filed), marry on my next visit (while I'm still enrolled in school for another year), adjust status and claim that it was a spur of the moment decision? The only difference between me and someone that skipped the K1 is that they didn't realise they wanted to get married before entering the US.

I understand why couples take advantage of the legal route, but they really need to justify why it's allowed to happen when others are made to wait just because they're not yet in the US.

Quick to judge, are we? Do you even know Kezzie and Jon's story???? VJ Sheesh

Pray that you don't have to go through what they did, and if you do, may god and your friends and family love you as much as we do them.

Peace out.

[Gemmie 142]

Read the history of John and Kezzie before you call infer they are fraudsters or rip into them about 'using' a loophole. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Just because somebody didn't 'suffer' as much as you did during immigration doesn't mean you have to be pi$$ed off about the process. Nobody took your cookie.

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

I'm no different than ANYONE else in this thread, or the forums for that matter, that has complained about the process at one point or another. I'm no different than ANYONE else that has suggested there be something to trap the people that DO wish to commit fraud.

As for not having a right to be pissed off because I've "suffered" and "nobody took my cookie"; this wasn't even about ME, it was about people that are affected by holes in the system. I gave an example by showing how easy it could be for me to commit fraud, and that was the point of my post. It was my opinion that this hole made it possible for people to intentionally use the legal route to immigrate and commit fraud, NOT that it was wrong for people to fall in love and adjust status whilst there.

Why is everyone jumping on MY ### when there have been several people in this topic arguing that the entire notion of adjusting whilst there should be scrapped and/or made more fair? I NEVER said that Jon/Kezzie committed fraud, in fact I even said I understand why they used that option available to them. I never once implied that they were fraudsters and I never once made it personal. I was talking about the SYSTEM, not the individual people that have adjusted status while in the US, just like everyone else in this topic arguing for that side.

I'd also like to point out that I didn't know the details of their personal story before, as my post wasn't about their story, and after reading it, my heart really goes out to everyone affected. I tremendously hope that everyone is pulling through as best as possible, and I'm sorry to anyone that I might have offended. However, I would like to repeat that I never made this about them personally, and I'm not the first person on VJ to make a generic claim/statement without knowing the full details of someone's individual experience. Isn't that being "quick to judge" as well? Also, how often do people on VJ complain about the whole process, or others being approved before them, or this country being easier, or whatever else? Do you want to go and jump on them as well because they were ignorant to someone else's personal history?

[Kez/JWolf 6]

Gemmie, you posted your feelings and you are entitled to your opinion the same as anyone else. I think there has to be a law allowing for people to change their minds when entering on a tourist visa or VWP, I knew my Kez all my life and always hoped that one day she would see me as more than just a lifelong family friend. I know many couples who have married on a tourist visa because of a change in events while they were here.

There will always be people who abuse the system and appear to get away with it and yes this whole process can be frustrating for anyone going through it. God I know how frustrated I was hoping and praying that Kez would get her 10 year Greencard before she died,we had to sit and watch others in diffrent service centers get approved way before her and then watch as 100s of cases were transfered to VSC and were being worked on first, I know she wished to be able to file for Citizenship but she did not live long enough to file.

We never had any regrets about doing our visa journey the way we did it, it was an option that was available to us and we took it, it could be said that because I had thoughts about marriage to Kez there was intent, she once told me that she herself had thought about us ending up married at some time in our lives. So if thats all it takes to have intent then We both are guilty.

Do I regrent the way we did things or feel that we cheated, or jumped the line. HELL NO, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.

Jon

[Gemmie 142]

I've sent you a reply to your inbox, Jon.

Basically, I have NO problem with people that genuinely do not look to cheat the system (like Jon and Kez). It's the fraudsters that I do have a problem with, same as everyone else.

I hope people aren't as quick to attack in future with assumptions that personal issues were involved.

[eric_and_teresa 10]

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

Sorry Rebecca, but why are you still posting then? Do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread if it bothers you that much.

Geez!

Edited August 5, 2008 by eric_and_teresa

[eric_and_teresa 10]

I've sent you a reply to your inbox, Jon.

Basically, I have NO problem with people that genuinely do not look to cheat the system (like Jon and Kez). It's the fraudsters that I do have a problem with, same as everyone else.

I hope people aren't as quick to attack in future with assumptions that personal issues were involved.

[rebeccajo 14]

Read the history of John and Kezzie before you call infer they are fraudsters or rip into them about 'using' a loophole. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Just because somebody didn't 'suffer' as much as you did during immigration doesn't mean you have to be pi$$ed off about the process. Nobody took your cookie.

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

I'm no different than ANYONE else in this thread, or the forums for that matter, that has complained about the process at one point or another. I'm no different than ANYONE else that has suggested there be something to trap the people that DO wish to commit fraud.

As for not having a right to be pissed off because I've "suffered" and "nobody took my cookie"; this wasn't even about ME, it was about people that are affected by holes in the system. I gave an example by showing how easy it could be for me to commit fraud, and that was the point of my post. It was my opinion that this hole made it possible for people to intentionally use the legal route to immigrate and commit fraud, NOT that it was wrong for people to fall in love and adjust status whilst there.

Why is everyone jumping on MY ### when there have been several people in this topic arguing that the entire notion of adjusting whilst there should be scrapped and/or made more fair? I NEVER said that Jon/Kezzie committed fraud, in fact I even said I understand why they used that option available to them. I never once implied that they were fraudsters and I never once made it personal. I was talking about the SYSTEM, not the individual people that have adjusted status while in the US, just like everyone else in this topic arguing for that side.

I'd also like to point out that I didn't know the details of their personal story before, as my post wasn't about their story, and after reading it, my heart really goes out to everyone affected. I tremendously hope that everyone is pulling through as best as possible, and I'm sorry to anyone that I might have offended. However, I would like to repeat that I never made this about them personally, and I'm not the first person on VJ to make a generic claim/statement without knowing the full details of someone's individual experience. Isn't that being "quick to judge" as well? Also, how often do people on VJ complain about the whole process, or others being approved before them, or this country being easier, or whatever else? Do you want to go and jump on them as well because they were ignorant to someone else's personal history?

Using the excuse that you aren't the 'first person' to make the same mistake hardly makes the commentary any less offensive. Let this be a lesson to you and all reading that every case is different. There are always details we don't know. Generic opinions about certain immigration paths are not only unfair but they are wrong, IMO.

Yes people on VJ complain about the whole process; about others being approved before them; or about other countries being easier. Those comments are usually made out of either ignorance of the process or unwillingness to learn. They are also often made by persons who believe that the only path to life in the US is the same 'high road' they themselves took. Not a very charitable attitude, in my book. It also displays complete ignorance of the law.

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

Sorry Rebecca, but why are you still posting then? Do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread if it bothers you that much.

Geez!

Kezzie was my friend. We journeyed together. If you don't freaking mind, I think I'll state my piece and state it freely. If you dont' like it, then maybe you are the one who shouldn't be reading.

[eric_and_teresa 10]

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

Sorry Rebecca, but why are you still posting then? Do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread if it bothers you that much.

Geez!

Kezzie was my friend. We journeyed together. If you don't freaking mind, I think I'll state my piece and state it freely. If you dont' like it, then maybe you are the one who shouldn't be reading.

Please re-read my post.

Where did I say you should not post whatever you want? Or you should not stand up for your friends?

YOU said it's not worth your time posting here, yet you keep on coming back and posting some more. Why are you still wasting your time? That was my question

No, I don't freaking mind. But don't come here on your high horse to tell us what a waste it is to post here while you keep on doing it.

Edited August 5, 2008 by eric_and_teresa

[rebeccajo 14]

All it takes is about 30 minutes of me reading around this place before I'm reminded why it's not worth my time to post here any longer. What a bunch of whining dolts.

Sorry Rebecca, but why are you still posting then? Do yourself a favor and stop reading this thread if it bothers you that much.

Geez!

Kezzie was my friend. We journeyed together. If you don't freaking mind, I think I'll state my piece and state it freely. If you dont' like it, then maybe you are the one who shouldn't be reading.

Please re-read my post.

Where did I say you should not post whatever you want? Or you should not stand up for your friends?

YOU said it's not worth your time posting here, yet you keep on coming back and posting some more. Why are you still wasting your time? That was my question

No, I don't freaking mind. But don't come here on your high horse to tell us what a waste it is to post here while you keep on doing it.

Eric -

When you've been able to truly post in the upper forums with legitimate, right on advice which actually helps people in their visa journey, rather than whining down here in the lower forums, then you can feel free to ask me about my 'high horse'.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

It seems alot of people here cry if someone's process is faster then theirs or easier. I guess they feel like someone cut in line or something. If anything they should complain to their elected officials to figure out a way to allow their loved ones to be in the US during the process. Tourist visas don't require all the background checks so who cares if they allowed spouses to come here and wait through the process. Just develop a system to send them back if they are not approved. They need this system in place anyway to deal with tourist visa overstays anyway. We should fight to make everyones process easier rather than argue that everyone should have eaqually long, difficult waits.