Visa Fraud- Using B-2 with intention to immigrate

[LaL 418]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

Well I can see a lot of people who would ordinarily want to visit the States, genuinely and completely put off by this sort of nonsense. People will choose not to go there, they are already. Microchipping human beings for heavens sake.

A lot of people here are now going to Europe, or staying closer to home in the South Pacific when they holiday, whatever the attractions the Americas offer. Hardly anyone seems to head there now. That's because it simply isn't worth the aggravation or the stress that are now such a part of travel there. Your border people now view every single person arriving as a criminal. That reception to a holidaymaker sets a certain tone don't you think?

I agree they treat non USC like #######. My wife had to deal with it her whole life. It is so nice now that she has her greencard because CBP is actually nice to her now.

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

I am not for this but just pointing out where our government is going.

[Minya's wife 24]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

Well said!

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

USCIS does not issue visas....the Depts of State's Bureau of Consular Affairs does.

-P

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

Well said!

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

USCIS does not issue visas....the Depts of State's Bureau of Consular Affairs does.

-P

I know the DOS issues the visa but USCIS is who allows you to enter or not. A visa is useless without USCIS allowing you to enter. And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law.

[Minya's wife 24]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

Well said!

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

USCIS does not issue visas....the Depts of State's Bureau of Consular Affairs does.

-P

I know the DOS issues the visa but USCIS is who allows you to enter or not. A visa is useless without USCIS allowing you to enter. And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law.

Un...no. USCIS simply approves or not the visa petition. The Consulate(DOS) issues the visa and US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) is the body which allows you to enter or not. US Customs and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that enforces immigration law.

All of them fall under the Department of Homeland Security umbrella, but are different independent bodies.

-P

Edited July 11, 2008 by Minya's wife

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

Well said!

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

USCIS does not issue visas....the Depts of State's Bureau of Consular Affairs does.

-P

I know the DOS issues the visa but USCIS is who allows you to enter or not. A visa is useless without USCIS allowing you to enter. And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law.

Un...no. USCIS simply approves or not the visa petition. The Consulate(DOS) issues the visa and US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) is the body which allows you to enter or not. US Customs and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that enforces immigration law.

All of them fall under the Department of Homeland Security umbrella, but are different independent bodies.

-P

DOS is not under the department of homeland security. The reason CBP and USCIS is all uner one umbrella is so they are sharing information. ICE, CBP, USCIS all work together but not the DOS. Maybe that is why DHS has the last say on who enters so they are in control.

[Minya's wife 24]

All I've got to say about 'microchips' and 'ankle bracelets' in regards to foreign born persons either visiting or moving here permanently is this....

How in the name of Heaven can anyone here on VJ or any other immigrant web community advocate for MORE restrictions on this process?

I mean - isn't the process bad enough already? All day long all I see on this site is complaining and moaning about how unfair and protracted and painful and expensive this process is. And you want MORE?

Get real.

Well said!

I think it would make it easier to get here because they wouldn't be worried you will overstay. This would allow USCIS to issue visas more freely.

USCIS does not issue visas....the Depts of State's Bureau of Consular Affairs does.

-P

I know the DOS issues the visa but USCIS is who allows you to enter or not. A visa is useless without USCIS allowing you to enter. And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law.

Un...no. USCIS simply approves or not the visa petition. The Consulate(DOS) issues the visa and US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) is the body which allows you to enter or not. US Customs and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that enforces immigration law.

All of them fall under the Department of Homeland Security umbrella, but are different independent bodies.

-P

DOS is not under the department of homeland security. The reason CBP and USCIS is all uner one umbrella is so they are sharing information. ICE, CBP, USCIS all work together but not the DOS. Maybe that is why DHS has the last say on who enters so they are in control.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not going to split hairs w/ you, but make up your mind. Is it USCIS, or DHS?

And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law

or

that is why DHS has the last say on who enters so they are in control.

I was reading through this thread and came across your post...your terminology was wrong and I simply sought to correct that. Your initial statement had a factual error regarding which body issues visas. I corrected it for the sake of posterity. You made yet another factual error in stating that:

A visa is useless without USCIS allowing you to enter. And USCIS is who has to enforce immigration law.

So I offered the correct terminology, again for the sake of posterity, nothing more.

But, it seems the last word must be yours....so please go ahead. B)

-P

[rebeccajo 14]

Actually, USCIS isn't involved at all in the issuance of a B2 visa. The applicant applies directly to the US consulate, which is run by DOS.

[zqt3344 21]

YOU ARE 110% CORRECT! I ENCOURAGE ANYONE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS BEHAVIOR TO CONTACT THEIR US CONGRESSMEN AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS, AND CONTACT USCIS ALONG WITH DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. RIGHT ON! WHAT YOU SAY I HAVE BEEN SAYING NOW FOR A LONG TIME ON HERE, AND I AM MEETING NEXT MONTH WITH MY CONGRESSMEN AND WITH MUCH DATA COMPILED FROM HERE TO SHOW THEM THE WILLFUL INTENTIONAL LAWBREAKING OF IMMIGRATION LAWS WITH THE TOURIST VISA, IT IS A SERIOUS SECURITY MATTER AND IT IS ALSO BREAKING THE US LAW, JUST SIMPLY IF ENOUGH OF US COMPLAIN THEN THERE WILL BE ENFORCEMENT AND ACTION TAKEN, JUST TAKES TIME, BUT IT WILL BE SHUT DOWN. GREAT POST!

Just wanted to know your thoughts on couples using a tourist visa to get married in the U.S. and being able to apply for AOS, EVEN when they did have ALL the prior intention to use the tourist visa to immigrate to the U.S. permanently.

It just upsets me sooo much everytime I hear of someone else taking this "shortcut" and getting away with it! I just had a discussion with some guy in another forum on this subject and he was so cool about it, he said they'd rather take the risk of being accused of visa fraud, because "the K-1 route is too long and does not adjust to their plans", and he disagrees with the immigration laws! What the heck???!!!!

Don't you all feel like everytime they let someone get away with this, it's like a slap on the faces of those of us who chose to do the righ the thing?

Would they ever change the regulations so it's not possible to apply for AOS if you got married on a B2? Or even if it remains possible why don't they put these couples to a stronger scrutinity? I've heard many people doing this, and not having ANY sort of problem during the interview! Some of us who chose the legal way, had a harder time on our interviews than they had!

It is just soooo upsetting! And so unfair! I come to VJ every day, and see so many couples dealing with all the pressures and stress of interviews at the Consulates, and hear their stories about the CO's putting people on reviews, or calling them for a second interview or even getting denied for stupid or not valid reasons, and on the other hand I see all these law breakers, using the B-2 route to immigrate and getting away with it, and it just irks me!!!

[rebeccajo 14]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting.

[Donna A 4]

people should not be able to adjust status from a visitor visa. there are visa's for this reason. we all know by reading visa journy how many people have came and asked "can i marry her while she is here visiting" so u know how many are premedating this route. all we can say is yes, but dont let them know this was the intention.

its not a life or death situation that people have to go back and wait it out until their fiance or spousal visa is issued...they just dont want to be apart and thats it.

[LaL 418]

all we can say is yes, but dont let them know this was the intention.

I have never read this as a suggestion here. Members really hammer home that intention to immigrate (ie: intend to enter, marry, and adjust) with a tourist visa is fradulant.

[zqt3344 21]

LAL YOU MAY NOT ADVOCATE IT AND THAT IS GOOD OR RIGHT THING TO DO THAT YOU DO NOT. BUT THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY ON VJ THAT DO AND HAVE ADVOCATED IT WILLFULLY.

DONNA A IS RIGHT IN EVERYTHING SHE SAYS.

all we can say is yes, but dont let them know this was the intention.

I have never read this as a suggestion here. Members really hammer home that intention to immigrate (ie: intend to enter, marry, and adjust) with a tourist visa is fradulant.

Edited July 13, 2008 by zqt3344

[Gemmie 142]

I've just come into this thread, but I absolutely HATE when I hear of people intentionally committing fraud in order to skip the legal process. I can see a LOT of holes in the system and K1 was never in my best interests; it means waiting for YEARS apart while I finish school, we get the fees together and the appropriate income, wait for an approval, wait for a medical test and interview... but we decided to do it the right way.

I don't think people should be allowed to simply adjust after marrying in the US... I believe they should be subjected to the same process as everyone else who wants the same thing.

I'm not saying that it's not possible for couples to unintentionally fall in love and want to get married, and I know that it has happened to people here; but that love is just as unplanned as the love we ALL have to our fiancee/spouse. None of us planned to fall in love and leave our lives behind for it... that's the entire point of the process, to prove that we have a bonafide relationship and no alternative motives. If people fall in love unintentionally while in the US, they should have to leave before their overstay occurs, and apply for the same things we all have to.

Why should we have to suffer the years and the fees and the distance because we realised we wanted to get married JUST before we entered the US rather than already being in it?

It's like a half-assed "well you're here now, might as well stay".

Edited August 4, 2008 by Gemmie