Visa Fraud- Using B-2 with intention to immigrate

[LaL 418]

if they come here and fall in love and marry then no visa fraud..........they come here on visitor visa intending to marry then its visa fraud it was thought out in advance and exicuted

Sorry - do not mean to be picky - but people can come here with intent to marry. No fraud involved. Fraud is involved when one enters as a tourist with intent to marry and adjust.

[sara..... 371]

if they come here and fall in love and marry then no visa fraud..........they come here on visitor visa intending to marry then its visa fraud it was thought out in advance and exicuted

Sorry - do not mean to be picky - but people can come here with intent to marry. No fraud involved. Fraud is involved when one enters as a tourist with intent to marry and adjust.

sorry i guess i thought everyone knew what i was talking about so i didnt put the and adjust

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

why do people hate when someone else has an easier path then them? This is like hating someone because they won the lottery. So what if they come here on a B1/B2 and get married. The end result is the same, they just don't have to be apart during the process.

IMO the law should be changed to give everyone who applies for a spousal visa a temp visitor visa to stay with their spouse during the immigration process. What benefit is their in making you spend 6 months to a year or more apart waiting on USCIS? It actually might be better for couples to have to live together waiting on USCIS to see if the marriage is going to work or not. It might even give the USC a chance to see for themselves if their spouse is only after a greencard?

They should also change the law for conditional greencard from 2 years to 3 years and then give the choice of applying for citizenship or LPR.

Edited July 2, 2008 by Gaby&Talbert

[sara..... 371]

why do people hate when someone else has an easier path then them? This is like hating someone because they won the lottery. So what if they come here on a B1/B2 and get married. The end result is the same, they just don't have to be apart during the process.

IMO the law should be changed to give everyone who applies for a spousal visa a temp visitor visa to stay with their spouse during the immigration process. What benefit is their in making you spend 6 months to a year or more apart waiting on USCIS? It actually might be better for couples to have to live together waiting on USCIS to see if the marriage is going to work or not. It might even give the USC a chance to see for themselves if their spouse is only after a greencard?

They should also change the law for conditional greencard from 2 years to 3 years and then give the choice of applying for citizenship or LPR.

its not about hating someone for doing it this way its about the fact that when countries are able to get visitor visa and then it is used this way after sometime the usa makes it so difficult for any one to get just a visitor visa so that option for citizens of that country is taken away and it makes k1 visa and marraige visa very difficult to get as in long process and embassy's assuming it is fraud before they even get the case

Edited July 2, 2008 by estadia

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

why do people hate when someone else has an easier path then them? This is like hating someone because they won the lottery. So what if they come here on a B1/B2 and get married. The end result is the same, they just don't have to be apart during the process.

IMO the law should be changed to give everyone who applies for a spousal visa a temp visitor visa to stay with their spouse during the immigration process. What benefit is their in making you spend 6 months to a year or more apart waiting on USCIS? It actually might be better for couples to have to live together waiting on USCIS to see if the marriage is going to work or not. It might even give the USC a chance to see for themselves if their spouse is only after a greencard?

They should also change the law for conditional greencard from 2 years to 3 years and then give the choice of applying for citizenship or LPR.

its not about hating someone for doing it this way its about the fact that when countries are able to get visitor visa and then it is used this way after sometime the usa makes it so difficult for any one to get just a visitor visa so that option for citizens of that country is taken away and it makes k1 visa and marraige visa very difficult to get as in long process and embassy's assuming it is fraud before they even get the case

It would only make embassy's suspicious for people applying for a tourist visa, not a k visa or CR1/IR1.

I think it has more to do with human nature that people get mad if they have it harder than someone else.

[sara..... 371]

why do people hate when someone else has an easier path then them? This is like hating someone because they won the lottery. So what if they come here on a B1/B2 and get married. The end result is the same, they just don't have to be apart during the process.

IMO the law should be changed to give everyone who applies for a spousal visa a temp visitor visa to stay with their spouse during the immigration process. What benefit is their in making you spend 6 months to a year or more apart waiting on USCIS? It actually might be better for couples to have to live together waiting on USCIS to see if the marriage is going to work or not. It might even give the USC a chance to see for themselves if their spouse is only after a greencard?

They should also change the law for conditional greencard from 2 years to 3 years and then give the choice of applying for citizenship or LPR.

its not about hating someone for doing it this way its about the fact that when countries are able to get visitor visa and then it is used this way after sometime the usa makes it so difficult for any one to get just a visitor visa so that option for citizens of that country is taken away and it makes k1 visa and marraige visa very difficult to get as in long process and embassy's assuming it is fraud before they even get the case

It would only make embassy's suspicious for people applying for a tourist visa, not a k visa or CR1/IR1.

I think it has more to do with human nature that people get mad if they have it harder than someone else.

yes maybe but i for one have never been angry with people that do not have to wait as long as i have........i am happy for them i just dont like it when i see something being abused that will make problems for other people it does not make much sense to abuse something that is in place for visits to ur family that lives in the usa or for touring the usa there are many good people that have never had intent to immigrate to the usa but wish to visit us and have never been able to because of what others did before them................

[Ivy. 113]

It's like waiting in a line. There's a lot of the people waiting in the line and someone just comes from the side and cuts in not respecting the line. Some people will tell that person off, some will try to force them to go to the end of the line, and some will shrug their shoulders and say "Oh, whatever".

Edited July 2, 2008 by Ivy411

[gogo 6]

I hate them.. it's because we have been waiting 14 months already.. that's why.. :angry: I don't care if she comes on a work visa.. that's good enough for me now.. I just wanted USCIS to do things in order and not 'skip' people that are waiting for a long time.. If everyone took 2 years , then that's fine by me.. I'll wait my turn.. but the thing is that I ALREADY waited my turn and waited some more too.. well, the lawyers will review the lawsuit now and send it in, and hopefully (they say 60 days) I should hear an answer.. but I already know what it will be... they will use other "rules" to protect themselves..

http://www.ailf.org/lac/clearinghouse_mandamus.shtml (look at all the stupid rules they give to protect themselves)

For example, one person who had won a diversity lottery but didn't get the visa.. they filed a lawsuit the year after saying where it was, and the USCIS said it was "moot" and none of their problem anymore because it had expired.. the time ended at the end of the calendar year..

Edited July 2, 2008 by gogo

[gogo 6]

I want a temp visitor visa for her..

[sara..... 371]

I hate them.. it's because we have been waiting 14 months already.. that's why.. :angry: I don't care if she comes on a work visa.. that's good enough for me now..

i know u have and i have kept u in my daily prayers i really wish that it would hurry up so that ur s/o can be with u soon.........myself i have decided to skip 4th of july celebrations we filed early enough last year and he should have been here to celebrate them with us but i just have a hard time celebrating something when people like u guys and us are held hostage by the system that took the freedom to marry and live our life in our own country away........there are many more besides us that have been waiting as well.........i cant bring myself to hate those that abuse the system but it is people like that who helped make the very problem we are experiencing because if a country is not easily allowed visitor visa the only other option if they want to come to the states is marraige thats why they look at cases like ours harder........anyways thats my two cents worth on the topic not worth a lot but is how i feel

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

It isn't people coming here and getting married that cause the concerns of USCIS for a tourist visa, it is the people that come here and stay illegally. The few that come here and marry a USC is a small amount compared to the ones that come here to stay without any way of immigrating legally.

[gogo 6]

and we get stories like this:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.d...6300305/-1/news

haha, any opinions on this that's not over the top?? I'm just not going to say anything..

http://www.idexer.com (lots of immigration stories for you to get mad at) :angry: because it is not fair to people like us..

[eric_and_teresa 10]

I think it has more to do with human nature that people get mad if they have it harder than someone else.

Not true, I could have had it "easier" too, I've had several tourist visas for the last 15 years, we could have cut in the line too, some couples that used this shortcut (and that did have intention to apply for AOS prior their entry to the U.S.) told us to do it, after all they got away with it easily! But no, we decided against it. My fiance and I believe in doing what is right.

I'm not upset that some couples had it easier, I'm upset and think its unfair that people are committing visa fraud and getting away with it so easily.

If others had it easier doing the right thing and not breaking the law, then great! good for them! I'm not upset about others getting their visas sooner than we did. But if others have it easier breaking the rules and tricking the system, of course I'm gonna be upset! Its wrong and its unfair!

Don't tell me I should be happy when someone tells me "No, applying for a K-1 does not suit our wedding plans, so we are going to use her B-2". That is BS! Applying for a K-1 did not suit ANY of our wedding plans or moving arrangements and we did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do! As I'm sure applying for a K-1 and putting their lives on hold for 6 or 9 months, and in some cases for more than one year, did not suit ANY of the other VJers plans either! Complying with the law is not an option and this man (the one that I was talking about on my first post) goes on and on telling me that he thinks the immigration system was designed to keep him away from the love of his life, so he does not think he is doing anything wrong by committing visa fraud! Because in the first place, he does not agree with the immigration laws! What the heck???!!! So breaking a law that you disagree with makes it OK?! Talk about ignorance and stupidity!

I do not believe it would be fair to prevent B-2 holders to apply for AOS, as I believe there might some (very few, IMO) who did not have prior intention to marry AND immigrate using their B-2. But the USCIS should definitely subject B-2 holders who change their status to more scrutinity.

[kerewin21 2]

why do people hate when someone else has an easier path then them? This is like hating someone because they won the lottery. So what if they come here on a B1/B2 and get married. The end result is the same, they just don't have to be apart during the process.

The end result *isn't* the same. It's a question of getting married in the US, applying for AOS, and waiting 3-6 months in general for the green card, vs having to go through a consulate that has completely opaque policies (eg Morocco or Egypt), can deny your petition without giving any more information about the denial other than vague explanations, does not answer the phone or respond to emails, can refuse your attempts to offer additional information, and can then send your application back to the US. Just sending the application back can take several months, then there is a month-long to years-long wait for the petition to be re-adjudicated in the US, during which time no information can be had about your case. How can you compare these two cases? Also the issue of past legal issues being circumvented doesn't seem to be the same end result; one person is denied while the other breezes into the US and gets married.

Just because it's *legal* doesn't make it right. And why are overstays forgiven if you marry an American? You can stay here for years illegally, not paying taxes, doing whatever you want as long as you don't get caught (though if you were caught you would go to immigration court and be deportable), but then you get married and declare yourself and your location to the government, and all of a sudden instead of being deported you're rewarded with a green card. I feel these policies should be revisited.

[Gaby&Talbert 1]

I think it has more to do with human nature that people get mad if they have it harder than someone else.

Not true, I could have had it "easier" too, I've had several tourist visas for the last 15 years, we could have cut in the line too, some couples that used this shortcut (and that did have intention to apply for AOS prior their entry to the U.S.) told us to do it, after all they got away with it easily! But no, we decided against it. My fiance and I believe in doing what is right.

I'm not upset that some couples had it easier, I'm upset and think its unfair that people are committing visa fraud and getting away with it so easily.

If others had it easier doing the right thing and not breaking the law, then great! good for them! I'm not upset about others getting their visas sooner than we did. But if others have it easier breaking the rules and tricking the system, of course I'm gonna be upset! Its wrong and its unfair!

Don't tell me I should be happy when someone tells me "No, applying for a K-1 does not suit our wedding plans, so we are going to use her B-2". That is BS! Applying for a K-1 did not suit ANY of our wedding plans or moving arrangements and we did it anyway, because it was the right thing to do! As I'm sure applying for a K-1 and putting their lives on hold for 6 or 9 months, and in some cases for more than one year, did not suit ANY of the other VJers plans either! Complying with the law is not an option and this man (the one that I was talking about on my first post) goes on and on telling me that he thinks the immigration system was designed to keep him away from the love of his life, so he does not think he is doing anything wrong by committing visa fraud! Because in the first place, he does not agree with the immigration laws! What the heck???!!! So breaking a law that you disagree with makes it OK?! Talk about ignorance and stupidity!

I do not believe it would be fair to prevent B-2 holders to apply for AOS, as I believe there might some (very few, IMO) who did not have prior intention to marry AND immigrate using their B-2. But the USCIS should definitely subject B-2 holders who change their status to more scrutinity.

My wife also has had her tourist visa her entire life before we met. We did not use it and followed the rules and waiting through the processing. I am just saying I think the laws should change and allow spouses to be together during the process. What is the harm in this?