4 color photos with Palestinian police certificate

[palilover 1]

Sorry for the troubles and delays you're having, Kalaks and Palilover.

I think that since changing the way things are processed (having NVC collect documents that the consulate used to handle) -- well, the personnel at NVC haven't quite gotten the hang of how things work with this particular situation. Things are much different in Palestine/Israel than with other places. But NVC doesn't get very many Palestinian cases in comparison to other countries, so they're still stumbling their way through.

Actually, the Palestinian police *don't* need an ok from the Israelis to issue a Palestinian police report -- and you have to provide an Israeli one anyway to process your case, so it doesn't really matter.

Thanks for sharing your info, even though it's frustrating -- it will certainly help others who come after you.

-MK

oh wom...I dont think I answered your q previously. As for the translated docs......paraphrasing my rfe I received before....."any document that is not in native langauge of the country where the visa will be obtained must be translated in english" So...in the cse of the fJerusalem consulate, his documents were fine as they were in arabic. Hebrew would ahve also been fine. When I first sent the ds230 in though, I had all translated to be on the safe side. But after seeing that in teh rfe, I did not translte teh police cert (well nobody opened it of course per direction of the palistinian police) and his divorce certificate...nvc already has the english copy anyways. Personally though, I don't know why but I think it is a good idea to have translated copies anyways. The way they are changing procedures around, you just never know.

[kalaks 1]

Sorry for the troubles and delays you're having, Kalaks and Palilover.

I think that since changing the way things are processed (having NVC collect documents that the consulate used to handle) -- well, the personnel at NVC haven't quite gotten the hang of how things work with this particular situation. Things are much different in Palestine/Israel than with other places. But NVC doesn't get very many Palestinian cases in comparison to other countries, so they're still stumbling their way through.

Actually, the Palestinian police *don't* need an ok from the Israelis to issue a Palestinian police report -- and you have to provide an Israeli one anyway to process your case, so it doesn't really matter.

Thanks for sharing your info, even though it's frustrating -- it will certainly help others who come after you.

-MK

Trust me I know they do, but it is indirect. A Palestinian ID card # is first adminstered by the israelis when it is first issued. So when look him/her in the data base, the palestinian police won't issue a clearance if they find something in the Israeli database.

[palilover 1]

Sorry for the troubles and delays you're having, Kalaks and Palilover.

I think that since changing the way things are processed (having NVC collect documents that the consulate used to handle) -- well, the personnel at NVC haven't quite gotten the hang of how things work with this particular situation. Things are much different in Palestine/Israel than with other places. But NVC doesn't get very many Palestinian cases in comparison to other countries, so they're still stumbling their way through.

Actually, the Palestinian police *don't* need an ok from the Israelis to issue a Palestinian police report -- and you have to provide an Israeli one anyway to process your case, so it doesn't really matter.

Thanks for sharing your info, even though it's frustrating -- it will certainly help others who come after you.

-MK

Trust me I know they do, but it is indirect. A Palestinian ID card # is first adminstered by the israelis when it is first issued. So when look him/her in the data base, the palestinian police won't issue a clearance if they find something in the Israeli database.

It does make sense since even the PA cannot wipe their own noses without Israel's blessing. I was actually quite surprised when I first heardfirst thatIsraeli police cannot go through the checkpoints around nablus without Israel's permission and THEN Israel only gives them a certain time to come in.

When the police cannot travel any better than the people, you know who's really got the upper hand in the west bank above it all.. So with that being said, makes sense that Israel would have to have the upper hand with the PA on police clearances too.

Makes it stupid why immigration needs both them, doesnt it? Well, that is immigration for you:)

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Sorry for the troubles and delays you're having, Kalaks and Palilover.

I think that since changing the way things are processed (having NVC collect documents that the consulate used to handle) -- well, the personnel at NVC haven't quite gotten the hang of how things work with this particular situation. Things are much different in Palestine/Israel than with other places. But NVC doesn't get very many Palestinian cases in comparison to other countries, so they're still stumbling their way through.

Actually, the Palestinian police *don't* need an ok from the Israelis to issue a Palestinian police report -- and you have to provide an Israeli one anyway to process your case, so it doesn't really matter.

Thanks for sharing your info, even though it's frustrating -- it will certainly help others who come after you.

-MK

Trust me I know they do, but it is indirect. A Palestinian ID card # is first adminstered by the israelis when it is first issued. So when look him/her in the data base, the palestinian police won't issue a clearance if they find something in the Israeli database.

It does make sense since even the PA cannot wipe their own noses without Israel's blessing. I was actually quite surprised when I first heardfirst thatIsraeli police cannot go through the checkpoints around nablus without Israel's permission and THEN Israel only gives them a certain time to come in.

When the police cannot travel any better than the people, you know who's really got the upper hand in the west bank above it all.. So with that being said, makes sense that Israel would have to have the upper hand with the PA on police clearances too.

Makes it stupid why immigration needs both them, doesnt it? Well, that is immigration for you:)

OK I can understand the confusion, because it is such a confusing situation.

Israel has Jerusalem under total control -- it has de-facto annexed the entire city. So it's true that nothing happens there without an Israeli ok.

However, when my husband got his police report in Jenin, all he did was go and request it one afternoon, and it was ready the next morning. It did not have to be "okayed" by the Israeli police first. It was issued to my husband as a printed document, without any sealed envelope (at that time, beneficiaries did not submit it during the NVC stage, but were instructed to bring it to the consulate at the time of their interview.)

I understand how the IDs are issued. And there definitely *is* coordination between the two security forces. However, much of the information in the Israeli database is not shared with the Palestinian police.

Nablus has been under very heavy restrictions, and frequently total or near-total closure -- this has been pretty much on and off since 2002. The villages to the south of the city have been severely impacted. Palilover I think you meant to say that the *Palestinian* police cannot cross the checkpoints without Israeli permission. This is the situation at all checkpoints -- no one goes through without Israeli permission -- not medical teams, not UN or aid organizations, not Palestinian police, no one. This likely affected the situation with getting your husband's police report.

Now obtaining the Israeli police report was an entirely different, and lengthier, matter for us -- it took about 6 weeks from request before it was in the system at the consulate. This one will not be issued to the person requesting it -- it will only be sent directly to the consulate (or nowadays, directly to NVC.) I *do* know that it was transmitted electronically within a few days of the request, and *may* have been followed with a hard copy. The delay for us seemed to be at the consulate -- it was during the heaviest holiday season of the year for Israel, and they were closed more days than they were open that month.

Sending you both lots of MENA MOJO to get your cases processed and completed quickly -- yalla NVC let's MOVE it !!!!

-MK