KKK endorses McCain: "A black President would go against just about everything we stand for"

[Heracles 417]

I have noticed how poor people sit around all day moaning about how they are victims instead of working...trite bollocks!

agreed. usually they are collecting their welfare and food stamps, or robbing some rich person........

Well PH is from the UK. Work is almost a dirty word there.

[Heracles 417]

If 1 in 4 whites were living in poverty - that would translate to around 55,000,000 people.

Or it could just be their "victim mentality" -- why bother getting a job when you

can get more money and free handouts from "Whitey"?

Add up all the money given to them in welfare checks, food stamps, free housing,

free education, affirmative action; add the costs of violent crime perpetrated by

African Americans - murders, rape, robberies, property damage - then add the

trillions of dollars sent to Africa... the numbers are staggering!

Slavery? Tens of thousands of Irish people were shipped into slavery.

Millions of Russians were captured and enslaved by the Mongols for 300 years.

Do you see them using slavery as an excuse?

When is this BS going to end?

I am trying to figure out why it is that they insist on living in the inner city where the prospect of work out of a million is in the decimal range. People move all over the world for work and a better life but this community seems to be fixated with living in a slum rather than moving to where the jobs are. I will never understand that. And I hope no one gives me this BS that they cannot afford to move.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If 1 in 4 whites were living in poverty - that would translate to around 55,000,000 people.

Or it could just be their "victim mentality" -- why bother getting a job when you

can get more money and free handouts from "Whitey"?

Add up all the money given to them in welfare checks, food stamps, free housing,

free education, affirmative action; add the costs of violent crime perpetrated by

African Americans - murders, rape, robberies, property damage - then add the

trillions of dollars sent to Africa... the numbers are staggering!

Slavery? Tens of thousands of Irish people were shipped into slavery.

Millions of Russians were captured and enslaved by the Mongols for 300 years.

Do you see them using slavery as an excuse?

When is this BS going to end?

I am trying to figure out why it is that they insist on living in the inner city where the prospect of work out of a million is in the decimal range. People move all over the world for work and a better life but this community seems to be fixated with living in a slum rather than moving to where the jobs are. I will never understand that. And I hope no one gives me this BS that they cannot afford to move.

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

[HAL 9000 96]

Put some questions up previously that have gone unanswered.

[Heracles 417]

Add up all the money given to them in welfare checks, food stamps, free housing,

free education, affirmative action; add the costs of violent crime perpetrated by

African Americans - murders, rape, robberies, property damage - then add the

trillions of dollars sent to Africa... the numbers are staggering!

.....

When is this BS going to end?

Now that would be interesting to see. Exactly how many billions have been spent on one race over the years and then comparing that to everyone else. If number 6's logic is correct it should only be ~26% of the overall handouts. My guess is that it's much much higher than that. And that is not even factoring in the huge cost of crime to society.

The crime aspect is actually what pisses me off the most, as a foreigner, because this is simply brushed off as collateral damage; as a consequence of history. For Example, A 16 year old black Male raping and murdering a Caucasian female. Male would have been born in 1992. Never experienced slavery let alone segregation but some here want us to believe that inequality, historical events, institutional racism etc etc are to blame; are the culprit. I just don't buy that #######.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

If 20 million illegal immigrants can lift themselves out of poverty, so can they.

They are US citizens. They can open bank accounts, get credit cards, loans,

driver's licenses, payroll jobs -- things that are almost impossible to get if you're

illegal.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

If 20 million illegal immigrants can lift themselves out of poverty, so can they.

They are US citizens. They can open bank accounts, get credit cards, loans,

driver's licenses, payroll jobs -- things that are almost impossible to get if you're

illegal.

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

I don't think a benefit of the doubt is scandalous or unreasonable.

Edited May 16, 2008 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

If 20 million illegal immigrants can lift themselves out of poverty, so can they.

They are US citizens. They can open bank accounts, get credit cards, loans,

driver's licenses, payroll jobs -- things that are almost impossible to get if you're

illegal.

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

I don't think a benefit of the doubt is scandalous or unreasonable.

Not a matter of being lazy but is a matter of priorities. My parents traveled on ships for over 30 days across the world, literally, to a country then new little to nothing about; let alone the language. And with nothing more than $20 dollars in their pocket and the clothes on their back. As have millions of other immigrants. They could have only dreamed of having access to 1/1000th the resources many of these inner city black Americans have today.

Edited May 16, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just not willing to make the sweeping judgements that you are.

[HAL 9000 96]

Add up all the money given to them in welfare checks, food stamps, free housing,

free education, affirmative action; add the costs of violent crime perpetrated by

African Americans - murders, rape, robberies, property damage - then add the

trillions of dollars sent to Africa... the numbers are staggering!

.....

When is this BS going to end?

Now that would be interesting to see. Exactly how many billions have been spent on one race over the years and then comparing that to everyone else. If number 6's logic is correct it should only be ~26% of the overall handouts. My guess is that it's much much higher than that. And that is not even factoring in the huge cost of crime to society.

The crime aspect is actually what pisses me off the most, as a foreigner, because this is simply brushed off as collateral damage; as a consequence of history. For Example, A 16 year old black Male raping and murdering a Caucasian female. Male would have been born in 1992. Never experienced slavery let alone segregation but some here want us to believe that inequality, historical events, institutional racism etc etc are to blame; are the culprit. I just don't buy that #######.

Sadly, that is your take. Crime is inexcusable and nowhere has anyone here argued that criminals be let off. If you notice a little more carefully, you'd see that the argument centers on preventing such behavior by going after root causes- in this case, restructuring communities. Also, notice that if you feel people are justifying to your eyes then perhaps you should ask people to stand behind their own intentions in writing here. You fail to do so for yourself, but perhaps you could at least stand alone in that business.

Furthermore, as a foreigner, you should also look into actual statistics for crime data (online police departments). In addition to black on white crime, there is also plenty of (current) black on black crime, white on black crime, and white on white crime, among other "classifications." Not all is as cherrypicked as you choose personally to be pissed off about.

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

If 20 million illegal immigrants can lift themselves out of poverty, so can they.

They are US citizens. They can open bank accounts, get credit cards, loans,

driver's licenses, payroll jobs -- things that are almost impossible to get if you're

illegal.

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

I don't think a benefit of the doubt is scandalous or unreasonable.

Its more than reasonable- its logical. Characterizing based on limited understanding of actual cause and effect is what is scandalous.

Well... why not - we've already established that for various reasons the poverty rate in that community is proportionally very high.

If 20 million illegal immigrants can lift themselves out of poverty, so can they.

They are US citizens. They can open bank accounts, get credit cards, loans,

driver's licenses, payroll jobs -- things that are almost impossible to get if you're

illegal.

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

I don't think a benefit of the doubt is scandalous or unreasonable.

Not a matter of being lazy but is a matter of priorities. My parents traveled on ships for over 30 days across the world, literally, to a country then new little to nothing about; let alone the language. And with nothing more than $20 dollars in their pocket and the clothes on their back. As have millions of other immigrants. They could have only dreamed of having access to 1/1000th the resources many of these inner city black Americans have today.

Then there's your solution. Go to the inner city and point fingers at the inner city black Americans so you can illuminate them.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

any color isn't racist but white.

if i say something about black people, i won't get introuble but if you're white and say something you'd get introuble :rolf:

Funny how #6, Fancy Pants, maviwaro, Len and co never seem to address that. Ever..

Little boy... race and racism are about power, not about skin color. Go to the library (it's a place with lots and lots of books); grab the works of Peggy MacIntosh, Ruth Frankenberger, Shirley Steinberg (white women by the way); bell hooks (nee Gloria Swanson), George Sefa Dei; Peter McLaren, Henry Giroux, Jim Cummins, Stephen May, Joe Kincheloe (white males), Himani Bannerji, Gloria Anzaldua and many other scholars and read up, then write a dissertation about racism and discrimination in education today. I already did -- but I will sit here and wait to be enlightened by you and your "theories" on race, racialization, its relation to poverty, the end of racism since there is no slavery anymore, the desire to remain living in the ghetto, etc... Please, enlighten me, you 6'1" scholar of scholars.

Some prefer to keep academic discussions to academic circles - unlike other who need to flaunt "credentials" and then look like they barely completed grade 4.

Have a goo'day, mate.

[mawilson 2,133]

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

The US economic system generates abundant economic prosperity for all.

Not everyone can be rich, but nearly everyone is capable of achieving a

modest and comfortable lifestyle with enough hard work and initiative.

I firmly believe that both the causes and the solutions to poverty lie within

the individual. We cannot change the cards we're dealt, but we can choose

how we play the hand.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The US economic system generates abundant economic prosperity for all. Not everyone can be rich, but nearly everyone is capable of achieving a

modest and comfortable lifestyle with enough hard work and initiative.

I firmly believe that both the causes and the solutions to poverty lie within the individual. We cannot change the cards we're dealt, but we can choose

how we play the hand.

I agree.

[HAL 9000 96]

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

The US economic system generates abundant economic prosperity for all.

Not everyone can be rich, but nearly everyone is capable of achieving a

modest and comfortable lifestyle with enough hard work and initiative.

I firmly believe that both the causes and the solutions to poverty lie within

the individual. We cannot change the cards we're dealt, but we can choose

how we play the hand.

I disagree with the cause since you are basing cause only on a limited scope of reality. I absolutely agree with you though, that given enough resolve, anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Its a matter of time and being relentless- and unfortunately some folks run out of time or the will to push farther than the misery they see at times.

[amiquechu 0]

Sure they can. I'm just not willing to characterise an entire section of our society as well as the problems and inequalities endemic to that population (perceived or otherwise) on the basis that those people are lazy.

The US economic system generates abundant economic prosperity for all.

Not everyone can be rich, but nearly everyone is capable of achieving a

modest and comfortable lifestyle with enough hard work and initiative.

I firmly believe that both the causes and the solutions to poverty lie within

the individual. We cannot change the cards we're dealt, but we can choose

how we play the hand.

AMEN!!!! Personal accountability is a novel idea.