KKK endorses McCain: "A black President would go against just about everything we stand for"

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NYPD, yes. I'm just glad someone gets the plunger reference.

[HAL 9000 96]

Certainly - my intent was really to address the whole "if someone of X race said it, there'd be a big hoo-ha". Especially as the character in this thread has been to compare the NAACP with the KKK.

There is a difference and there is a reason why we have things like BET or indeed the NAACP and (IMO) they have less to do with giving racism a pass than some people want to believe.

I will concede though that these things and social engineering like Affirmative Action can and do cause problems - but at the same time abandoning those things will not magically provide the transition to social equality. After all, this is pretty much was what these things were brought in to address in the first place.

I don't know who has the answers - but I do know that pointing fingers at group X or Y doesn't move the debate forward.

It's true though. If the goal is true racial equality, then things like BET, and Affirmative Action need to stop. There is NO such thing as 'reverse' racism...it's racism, pure and simple. I remember years ago watching Def Comedy Jam (I used to watch it all the time, it was v funny), and seeing comedian after comedian make serious fun of white people. Not the 'oh he can't dance' innocuous funny #######, but REALLY harsh sh!t. I watched one of em say that the black people were going to capture all the whites and change all our names and force us to become slaves. 'you won't be laughing then!' he said. And that was the last time I watched.

You cannot straddle both sides of the fence. No one alive here owned a slave...I certainly didn't. I don't endorse, condone, or try to explain it. So the fact that I might not get a job based on the color (or lack thereof) of MY skin is institutionalized racism & actually unconstitutional. And if we're talking about what pushes people to identify with their race, well, that's one factor which promts me to identify myself, not as American, not as Italian, but as a white person.

I was in a car crash on Christmas Eve when I was 16. I was in a predominantly black lower middle class neighborhood when I was T boned by a drunk driver. The 40 something year old black lady proceeded to get out of her car & beat the shiznit out of me in front of all the neighbors while they cheered her on with chants of 'Kill Whitey!' 'White Devil B!tch!' and the like. My hands were trapped by my waist and here's this woman punching the shiznit outta my face while I can't even defend myself. I saw the cop lights in the distance and passed out before they got there. When the cops got there, of course no one saw anything & cops said that there was no way to discern what injuries came from the crash, and which from the 'alleged' assault (hi? there's a full fist mark on my face, duh). Cops later told my mom that because of the 'racial tension' in Miami (a Spanish cop has mistakenly killed a black teen who pointed a toy gun, some parts of Miami rioted for 3 days), that if they arrested her for assault, there'd be 'Holy hell'.

That kind of apologistic, walk on eggshells ####### should NOT happen in today's (or in the 90s, heh) day and age. it's complete bollox.

I don't mind scholarships and a help up to our nation's poor....but again, that has nothing to do with race. Inner cities have all sorts of races and ancestry. But programs like AA are run on the basis that somehow they NEED a handout, as if they are deficient in some way. And as we all age out farther and farther away from the atrocities of the past, they become less of a factor. I could certainly say how xy&z happened to my ancestors sometime ago, but what real bearing does that have on me today? Sure, I'm not black, but I do see that this guilt free pass we as a society show perpetrates that very atmosphere we as a society should be moving away from. 'ALL men created equal' and all that jazz.

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Sounds like a hate crime to me.

Absolutely was. How do you prosecute it though? Of course, you have to show that with some kind of evidence, unfortunately... And how do you sentence it when comparing to other hate crimes?

Maybe if it was Texas the perp could have gotten 35 years since that's what an HIV-positive spitter got for spitting at a cop... But since it was South Florida... oh well.

Subpoenas for lie detectors for the screamers may help... since the perp was apparently intoxicated at the time of the assault/crime/accident.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

I think you just proved Boo-Yah's point -- race has nothing to do with it.

Poor white kids struggle just as hard as poor black kids do.

Very true! It's a shame that history has put a lid on the ability for white people to talk about that struggle and the ability for them to express their own pride.

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NYPD, yes. I'm just glad someone gets the plunger reference.

Unfortunately Sean Bell hasn't been the only victim of those in that police dept that have a serious aversion to common sense and human decency.

I think you just proved Boo-Yah's point -- race has nothing to do with it.

Poor white kids struggle just as hard as poor black kids do.

Very true! It's a shame that history has put a lid on the ability for white people to talk about that struggle and the ability for them to express their own pride.

Again... what does this provide in logic when contextualized to reality- specially that which is referred to by the text? Not much, Sheriff.

One thing is pride and another is prejudice.

[mawilson 2,133]

I think you just proved Boo-Yah's point -- race has nothing to do with it.

Poor white kids struggle just as hard as poor black kids do.

Very true! It's a shame that history has put a lid on the ability for white people to talk about that struggle and the ability for them to express their own pride.

Again... what does this provide in logic when contextualized to reality- specially that which is referred to by the text? Not much, Sheriff.

One thing is pride and another is prejudice.

I believe Sheriff Uling is African American - with all due respect, I'm sure he knows a bit more

about the subject than you do, mav.

[HAL 9000 96]

I think you just proved Boo-Yah's point -- race has nothing to do with it.

Poor white kids struggle just as hard as poor black kids do.

Very true! It's a shame that history has put a lid on the ability for white people to talk about that struggle and the ability for them to express their own pride.

Again... what does this provide in logic when contextualized to reality- specially that which is referred to by the text? Not much, Sheriff.

One thing is pride and another is prejudice.

I believe Sheriff Uling is African American - with all due respect, I'm sure he knows a bit more

about the subject than you do, mav.

And how do you know that I am not? Assumptions can be tricky sometimes, brother.

Like I said, Sheriff added something that had actually nothing to do with the text replied to, so perhaps he can care to contextualize it. Also, as I said, its one thing to take pride and quite another to be prejudicial. Celebrating pride by being prejudicial is not exactly a constructive activity.

Edited May 15, 2008 by maviwaro

[Sheriff Uling 3]

I wasn't attempting to cause any tension. I just wish that our American history wasn't tarnished such that all people could express a genuine love for this great nation and their heritage. It's a lofty dreamer romanticized idealistic look at what should it be like here in America... My bad for interjecting or taking your comment out of the context it was meant.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I think you just proved Boo-Yah's point -- race has nothing to do with it.

Poor white kids struggle just as hard as poor black kids do.

Very true! It's a shame that history has put a lid on the ability for white people to talk about that struggle and the ability for them to express their own pride.

Again... what does this provide in logic when contextualized to reality- specially that which is referred to by the text? Not much, Sheriff.

One thing is pride and another is prejudice.

I believe Sheriff Uling is African American - with all due respect, I'm sure he knows a bit more

about the subject than you do, mav.

And how do you know that I am not? Assumptions can be tricky sometimes, brother.

Like I said, Sheriff added something that had actually nothing to do with the text replied to, so perhaps he can care to contextualize it. Also, as I said, its one thing to take pride and quite another to be prejudicial. Celebrating pride by being prejudicial is not exactly a constructive activity.

Mav, you really do take to much pride in your pitty. It does absolutely nothing to help anyone.

[mawilson 2,133]

And how do you know that I am not? Assumptions can be tricky sometimes, brother.

I just do.

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'pity' has 1 t.

[mawilson 2,133]

'pity' has 1 t.

But pittance has 2.

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Indeed.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

M - I hope that you read my post...

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

'pity' has 1 t.

Thanks Troll, what would I do without ya?

[HAL 9000 96]

I wasn't attempting to cause any tension. I just wish that our American history wasn't tarnished such that all people could express a genuine love for this great nation and their heritage. It's a lofty dreamer romanticized idealistic look at what should it be like here in America... My bad for interjecting or taking your comment out of the context it was meant.

Don't sweat it Sheriff. I also wish that this nation's history wouldn't be riddled with so many ridiculous blemishes. I just believe that people need to take into consideration the causality of history before they negate the consequences that are very real and very current.

And how do you know that I am not? Assumptions can be tricky sometimes, brother.

I just do.

Well to be honest that's OK I guess. Lucky for me no one race can claim me as their own...

M - I hope that you read my post...

Yeah... no worries dude.

[its getting busy at work]