KKK endorses McCain: "A black President would go against just about everything we stand for"

[Heracles 417]

Clarification?

You're the anonymous genius in this forum. You figure it out.

#6 I am not going to waste my time responding to any of your 2 cents worth posts any more. First person on my ignore list. You're a waste of time..

Edited May 14, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I won't lose (any) sleep over it.

In any case I think you're full of $hit BY and if your friends can't see that then they're full of $hit too. And douchebags to boot - for hanging out with someone who thinks that not only was the KKK justified in its inception but who also subscribes to an appalling caricature of Black Americans. That makes you a racist BTW - but then you'd know that if you weren't so full of denial.

Yes that is whey they are working in a range of jobs, from research to banking, while you hide under the anonymity of a forum.

What is it about what they do for a living that has the slightest thing to do with me? You don't know much of anything about what I do for a living.

As far as forum anonymity goes - what exactly would you call Boo-Yah?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Clarification?

You're the anonymous genius in this forum. You figure it out.

#6 I am not going to waste my time responding to any of your 2 cents worth posts any more. First person on my ignore list. You're a waste of time..

Before you get carried away with that witty soundbite characterisation of me, you might consider that I'm no more anonymous than you or many other posters are...

And yes - I think floating a statement that the KKK was started for justifiable reasons is a complete waste of time. Apparently the courage of your convictions eludes you. Again.

Edited May 14, 2008 by Number 6

[Empress of Groovy 373]

BY appears to be suggesting that he sees no difference between the NAACP, Reverend Wright and the Trinity Church, The Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers etc. etc. - and that blacks have no identifiable culture or values of their own that can't be boiled down to hippity hop music, low-hung trousers and drive-by shootings.

Not being black I can't speak to that of course - but it seems just mite cartoonish to me. And that's being kind.

I am actually in Australia right now #6 and caught up with some of my English friends living here. So I stated some of your views to see what they say. Giving you the benefit of the doubt as maybe it is me. Surprise surprise they think you are full of ####. And they are lefties might I add. Ironically everything you mentioned above is points they made themselves but in the opposite context to your own..

I suspect that your presentation of No. 6's views (if you in fact actually had this discussion w/ your English friends) does not correspond to his stated views. I've read your interpretations of his points--and indeed mine--in several threads, and I'd be generous in saying that they're highly creative readings.

A common thread throughout your posts is a tendency to equate acknowledgment of conditions that encourage violence with justification of said violence. No amount of clarification seems to separate the two for you. It's much easier to slap up hysterical retorts, wild tangents, and references to greasy hippies and gay poodles (could it be that you haven't brought those into this thread yet?).

Understanding why Palestinians are pissed off, for example (a timely subject, as today is Israel's 60th anniversary), is clearly distinct from supporting violence against Israeli civilians. Having sympathy for people living in hopeless conditions in Gaza City is not equal to supporting suicide bombings in Netanya. Similarly, acknowledging that racism still exists in the U.S. and supporting policies and organizations whose aims are to correct centuries of appalling treatment and staggering inequality (whose effects are still felt today) is distinct from giving murderous inner-city gangsters a free pass.

Surely someone with an advanced degree can comprehend these distinctions...

[Fandango 1,439]

lol, 'your'

which normally is not as funneh but v much so when you're telling someone how stupid he is....

Yet, the post equating the NAACP with the KKK did nothing to you.

People and their priorities.

that wasn't funny. Yours was

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It is quite amazing to be honest. One doesn't have to be intelligent to be able to think logically, and one can also be a complete dumba$$ while not making realistic sense either. I guess its the bread and butter of a daily existence.

Look at your posts in this thread man. You discredit anyone's post that does not agree with your views. Plus you think you are right because most people don't waste time writing a thesis to satisfy you. Yet you yourself write short-answer posts which basically state I am right you are wrong and an idiot.

Are there lots of people in Chicago with like-minded views? Probably explains the condition of the city..

Like I said, don't give yourself a heart attack. But thanks once again for displaying so much bravado.

Clarification?

You're the anonymous genius in this forum. You figure it out.

#6 I am not going to waste my time responding to any of your 2 cents worth posts any more. First person on my ignore list. You're a waste of time..

Then I'll bump it until you clarify your own fecal matter.

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Yes, 6... that's what I call telling it like it is...

Anyway, back to the topic, it should really matter as much that the KKK is endorsing McCain as feces smells like feces. If a foreigner emigrates somewhere that has a certain socioeconomic structure, it would only be common sense for that foreigner to learn into how that structure exists as a result of its constituent parts. No advanced degree is necessary, just a mind open enough to be able to comprehend written words and an ability to synthesize such text into appropriate memories and thoughts such that one avoids making a complete fool of oneself in "public" when trying to discuss that topic.

I'll leave with this shining image for those that do want to make complete dumba$$es of themselves in hopes that the time out will help them reflect a little... of course, without specific reference to anyone in particular or with intent to stir the $hitpot anymore

Notice the conical hat too...

[Fandango 1,439]

I think 6 was referring to being specifically white power, not white pride. Haven't we had this thread recently?

Pride is fine as long as its not derogatory of other groups. Simple enough. No $hitpot to stir all that much.

More that I don't understand why anyone would want to promote the "pride/power" of what is a cultural majority.

It might be said that as an Englishman I identify more with my nationality and specific cultural background than my ethnicity. My "whiteness" is more or less irrelevant to me in that respect.

In Black America - you have what is essentially a new sub-culture that defines itself (inevitably) by its ethnicity foremost rather than by severed links to ancient mother-cultures from which it is at least 2 hundred years removed.

I do want to say one thing....for the individual, (s) should be able to promote whatever pride he/she wants...not 'oh, too bad, you're part of a majority so it's not allowed'

And 'black America' is different from being 'an Englishman'....Identifying with a 'mother culture' first and foremost would be kinda strange since it's generations removed. Same could be said for most of us USCs....we all came from somewhere since America is a nation of immigrants and not that old to begin with. But we're all Americans now.

Edited May 15, 2008 by Happy Bunny

[bhajishah 4]

Blessing Hussain Obama isnt Black .. he is Multipled personality!!!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think 6 was referring to being specifically white power, not white pride. Haven't we had this thread recently?

Pride is fine as long as its not derogatory of other groups. Simple enough. No $hitpot to stir all that much.

More that I don't understand why anyone would want to promote the "pride/power" of what is a cultural majority.

It might be said that as an Englishman I identify more with my nationality and specific cultural background than my ethnicity. My "whiteness" is more or less irrelevant to me in that respect.

In Black America - you have what is essentially a new sub-culture that defines itself (inevitably) by its ethnicity foremost rather than by severed links to ancient mother-cultures from which it is at least 2 hundred years removed.

I do want to say one thing....for the individual, (s) should be able to promote whatever pride he/she wants...not 'oh, too bad, you're part of a majority so it's not allowed'

And 'black America' is different from being 'an Englishman'....Identifying with a 'mother culture' first and foremost would be kinda strange since it's generations removed. Same could be said for most of us USCs....we all came from somewhere since America is a nation of immigrants and not that old to begin with. But we're all Americans now.

Well this is true - but I think the concept of "White America". White Americans never needed to identify themselves as a distinct culture along ethnic lines. Mother cultures whether they be those of the irish, italian or what have you may have blended into a single homogenous morass (melting pot) which we term "American", but the idiosyncracies of those cultures still remain in some form and are still practiced and cherished by many people.

IMO - That isn't something that happened with Black America. They essentially had their cultural (mother) identity stolen.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

<<run-on from above>>

In that respect - I don't think its surprising that Blacks culture defines itself along ethnic lines. Their culture (subculture) in that respect is more of a melting pot than ours.

Again - not having a direct experience of being black in America, I stress that this is just my subjective interpretation.

It also explains why "white pride" would be a meaningless concept for most people. Should I dispense with my English and Scottish heritage in favor of some amorphous concept of "whiteness"? Try as I might - I can't find "whiteness" a meaningful concept to take pride in. That's because - as I said I don't (more specifically - I don't need to) define my cultural identity by ethnicity.

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Plus, 6... the one thing you need to consider in addition to your point of view is that we are all Africans anyway.

I do think that Hyphenated Americans should and can celebrate their cultural ancestry... which is not inclusive of race always. Like its been emphasized over and over and over and over... its not celebrating one's heritage but using one's lack of melanin pigmentation as some kind of mechanism to connote superiority over those that have stronger melanin content in their skin.

Besides, higher melanin content in the skin provides additional safeguards against solar radiation... so if anything its light-skinned humans that need to be mindful of their sun exposure in a world whose ozone layer is not a guarantee.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I should also point out that the idea of celebrating skin pigmentation is totally ridiculous. By definition it has to be about more than that - presumably that something is a cultural construct of some kind. I can see why a narrower more general construct exists for some black americans who perhaps can't trace their heritage back to something that they can identify with; but I guess I'm not getting the idea that celebrating a general concept of "whiteness" should or would overcome my English ancestry or someone else's Italian or Irish American heritage. I simply don't view myself that way.

Indeed the very idea of "white pride" sounds very artificial. It sounds artificial because it is - quite simply its political correctness.

Its also very silly.

Edited May 15, 2008 by Number 6

[HAL 9000 96]

Celebrate what you are, not what you think makes you superior to everyone else that is exactly like you underneath it all.

Thank goodness the racist nutjobs and those that silently support them are a waning disgrace to this thing we call humanity.

[Heracles 417]

Anyway, back to the topic, it should really matter as much that the KKK is endorsing McCain as feces smells like feces. If a foreigner emigrates somewhere that has a certain socioeconomic structure, it would only be common sense for that foreigner to learn into how that structure exists as a result of its constituent parts. No advanced degree is necessary, just a mind open enough to be able to comprehend written words and an ability to synthesize such text into appropriate memories and thoughts such that one avoids making a complete fool of oneself in "public" when trying to discuss that topic.

I'll leave with this shining image for those that do want to make complete dumba$$es of themselves in hopes that the time out will help them reflect a little... of course, without specific reference to anyone in particular or with intent to stir the $hitpot anymore

Spoken like a true Obama fan. Seems that, as usual, you are interpreting statements in ways that suit you own view. Hmm a lot like Wright I see.

You're are probably one of the most biased people I have ever chatted with. Someone who always tries, and I mean always, discredit any opposing views. People cannot even mention their own experience without you suggesting they are talking ####. And then you throw out stuff about foreigners. What is your experience with people abroad? Is it your spouse from Coluuuuuumbia? Or is it the millions of foreigners living in Chicago.

Then you throw out insults like you are a dumb #######. I mean seriously now. Do you actually think anyone is going to go away and cry about it? Do you think anyone really cares what you think? So why say it.