KKK endorses McCain: "A black President would go against just about everything we stand for"

[DeadPoolX 9]

I can understand what Kid Brooklyn is getting at here. There seems to be a number of concessions in numerous areas of life that are for the explicit use of those labeled as minorities. Perhaps some of these practices were a good idea and made sense years ago, but today, it makes very little practical sense.

Why create something such as an "African American meeting" or a "Hispanic American meeting" since all that does is further alienate the "minority" employees from those who aren't considered minorities and worse yet, tends to breed resentment among the ranks. Kid Brooklyn is right in that if such a thing called a "White meeting" were to take place, there'd be lawsuits popping up all over the country due to "discriminatory practices." Why are the rules so very different for minorities?

I can't imagine it'd be because minorities in these positions need a "helping hand." They've obviously gained a decent level of education and work-related training. In addition, many meetings are reserved for those employees who're higher up in the corporate hierarchy. If a minority reaches these levels, I sincerely doubt he or she would truly require a "hand out."

I've often considered the subject of "hate crimes" to be a similar issue. While not all criminal activity is due to hatred, those that are tend to be reserved for minorities placing the sole blame on non-minorities (i.e. white men, and to a lesser degree, white women). If an African American or Hispanic American man murders a white man -- and does so out of some sort of impassioned hatred for him -- that homicidal act still wouldn't be categorized as a "hate crime" since it wouldn't fit neatly into the extremely narrow definition we've designed for ourselves.

Of course you can't imagine it... you're not African American.

As for the hate crime bit... I'd like for you to prove it please. I believe the legislation is pretty clear in being a two-lane highway for that kind of thing. Maybe I'm wrong.

I may not be African American, but I am Jewish. It seems some people have forgotten that Jews are a minority in more ways than one. As for proving what I said about "hate crimes," I think it's enough to say that I have an extensive background in the criminal justice system. I might know a thing or two about how this works. You don't have to believe me, of course.

Ok, so we've debunked that the NAACP is like the KKK, right? Bottom line is are we surprised at all by this endorsement? There are many people that won't vote for Obama purely based on skin color, which is just sad to me.

I agree its just plain stupid that people would make comparisons with the KKK and NAACP. It just makes you look stupid, so people please quit it.

What is equally sad is that people will vote for Obama purely based on his skin color.

White pride, this gets to me how can you be proud of something you have no control over. Go feed a starving kid, become a person of great character. That is something to be proud of.

Who cares what color the person was that started NAACP or if there is white people employed with the NCAAP. Hell even the occaisonal white person gets helped out by the organization(the expecption to the rule). The over all message is to advance color people, well there is a fair share of trailer parks that could need to be advanced.

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

[Eric-Pris 1,606]

I am the USC.

Are they still not being admitted to certain colleges (based on race, not economics)? I don't think so.

Show us a current university that openly discriminates based on race and maybe we'll lend you an ounce of credibility. In the meantime you'll continue flaunting your unfortunate ignorance of history as a USC.

Affirmative action does not count.

Read my question again. I don't think you are understanding it. As intelligent as you think you are, and you fail to comprehend a simple question. What a shame.

I am saying that minorities are no longer being rejected from any universities based on race.

And btw, affirmative action is discrimination.

Edited May 14, 2008 by kid brooklyn

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Only if you refuse to acknowledge the difference between an amorphous macro-culture that defines itself along national/cultural rather than strictly ethnic lines, and a (relatively) recently constructed subculture that was born out of racial discrimination and oppression and evolved independently of African/West Indian mother cultures.

[Jenn! 918]

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Why? I believe there's an implicit assumption in that statement that the black experience in America and the white experience in America is the same.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Why? I believe there's an implicit assumption in that statement that the black experience in America and the white experience in America is the same.

It wasn't, but now it is. We flipped a switch and now the future and the present is uninfluenced by the past.

It's like magic.

[HAL 9000 96]

I may not be African American, but I am Jewish. It seems some people have forgotten that Jews are a minority in more ways than one. As for proving what I said about "hate crimes," I think it's enough to say that I have an extensive background in the criminal justice system. I might know a thing or two about how this works. You don't have to believe me, of course.

Granted and believable. As a matter of fact I do remember one particular fight chant some really nasty kids back in HS used to use...

Fight, fight... a N- and a Jew.

Go figure. And yes, I remember reading that you are Jewish.

However, should we want to equate the actual realities of this nation's socioeconomic caste system, it is clearly visible that African Americans have it very, very, very different from American Jews. As for Hate laws, well, they are written and are not that difficult to miss.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I can understand what Kid Brooklyn is getting at here. There seems to be a number of concessions in numerous areas of life that are for the explicit use of those labeled as minorities. Perhaps some of these practices were a good idea and made sense years ago, but today, it makes very little practical sense.

Why create something such as an "African American meeting" or a "Hispanic American meeting" since all that does is further alienate the "minority" employees from those who aren't considered minorities and worse yet, tends to breed resentment among the ranks. Kid Brooklyn is right in that if such a thing called a "White meeting" were to take place, there'd be lawsuits popping up all over the country due to "discriminatory practices." Why are the rules so very different for minorities?

I can't imagine it'd be because minorities in these positions need a "helping hand." They've obviously gained a decent level of education and work-related training. In addition, many meetings are reserved for those employees who're higher up in the corporate hierarchy. If a minority reaches these levels, I sincerely doubt he or she would truly require a "hand out."

I've often considered the subject of "hate crimes" to be a similar issue. While not all criminal activity is due to hatred, those that are tend to be reserved for minorities placing the sole blame on non-minorities (i.e. white men, and to a lesser degree, white women). If an African American or Hispanic American man murders a white man -- and does so out of some sort of impassioned hatred for him -- that homicidal act still wouldn't be categorized as a "hate crime" since it wouldn't fit neatly into the extremely narrow definition we've designed for ourselves.

Of course you can't imagine it... you're not African American.

As for the hate crime bit... I'd like for you to prove it please. I believe the legislation is pretty clear in being a two-lane highway for that kind of thing. Maybe I'm wrong.

I may not be African American, but I am Jewish. It seems some people have forgotten that Jews are a minority in more ways than one. As for proving what I said about "hate crimes," I think it's enough to say that I have an extensive background in the criminal justice system. I might know a thing or two about how this works. You don't have to believe me, of course.

Ok, so we've debunked that the NAACP is like the KKK, right? Bottom line is are we surprised at all by this endorsement? There are many people that won't vote for Obama purely based on skin color, which is just sad to me.

I agree its just plain stupid that people would make comparisons with the KKK and NAACP. It just makes you look stupid, so people please quit it.

What is equally sad is that people will vote for Obama purely based on his skin color.

White pride, this gets to me how can you be proud of something you have no control over. Go feed a starving kid, become a person of great character. That is something to be proud of.

Who cares what color the person was that started NAACP or if there is white people employed with the NCAAP. Hell even the occaisonal white person gets helped out by the organization(the expecption to the rule). The over all message is to advance color people, well there is a fair share of trailer parks that could need to be advanced.

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Ridiculous on both accounts, I mentioned white pride because it kept being brought up in this thread.

[HAL 9000 96]

I am the USC.

Are they still not being admitted to certain colleges (based on race, not economics)? I don't think so.

Show us a current university that openly discriminates based on race and maybe we'll lend you an ounce of credibility. In the meantime you'll continue flaunting your unfortunate ignorance of history as a USC.

Affirmative action does not count.

Read my question again. I don't think you are understanding it. As intelligent as you think you are, and you fail to comprehend a simple question. What a shame.

I am saying that minorities are no longer being rejected from any universities based on race.

And btw, affirmative action is discrimination.

Notice how I failed to mention my merits in this discussion. Focusing on shortcomings would be more beneficial to your argument.

And do also read a little further back as to the exclusionary principle you yourself bring up in the very nature of these so called "black employee meetings." No need to beat around the bush and the logical flow of what has been explained to you on a historical and consequential level, which, much like our Australian brother, you have also neglected to consider.

Should you care to elaborate as to the historical application of Affirmative Action as a form of discrimination, please pass the popcorn elsewhere as it also shows you haven't quite gotten it yet.

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Why? I believe there's an implicit assumption in that statement that the black experience in America and the white experience in America is the same.

Which, of course, there was!

[Forever Young 1]

I've yet to see a "white employees" meeting.

It's called the board of directors. You just aren't invited, that's all.

Damn right Trollie...Damn right!

[DeadPoolX 9]

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Why? I believe there's an implicit assumption in that statement that the black experience in America and the white experience in America is the same.

No one's talking about the "experience" here so much as they are about being "proud" of their skin color, race, ethnicity, religion, etc. Based purely on skin tone (which is how and what many individuals do), there shouldn't be a difference in how whites and blacks are treated today -- both socially and legally. If we examine the so-called "black experience" and "white experience" against each other, then yes, there would be an obvious difference for many.

I may not be African American, but I am Jewish. It seems some people have forgotten that Jews are a minority in more ways than one. As for proving what I said about "hate crimes," I think it's enough to say that I have an extensive background in the criminal justice system. I might know a thing or two about how this works. You don't have to believe me, of course.

Granted and believable. As a matter of fact I do remember one particular fight chant some really nasty kids back in HS used to use...

Fight, fight... a N- and a Jew.

Go figure. And yes, I remember reading that you are Jewish.

However, should we want to equate the actual realities of this nation's socioeconomic caste system, it is clearly visible that African Americans have it very, very, very different from American Jews. As for Hate laws, well, they are written and are not that difficult to miss.

I won't dispute that. However, it's also true that anti-semitism is extremely prevalent all over the world. Simply because it's generally more difficult to spot a Jew than it is an African American doesn't change the fact that just as many people -- if not more -- would love to do the same to Jews as they would African Americans.

Interestingly enough, the general consensus is to view and treat Jews beneath those of so-called "white people" but still deny us the same benefits and protections that other minorities receive. Perhaps it's just as well that we can "blend in."

[_Simpson_ 250]

I've yet to see a "white employees" meeting.

It's called the board of directors. You just aren't invited, that's all.

Damn right Trollie...Damn right!

I get it whitey's at the top

[HAL 9000 96]

While I may not be a "White Pride" advocate, I have to wonder why it's somehow wrong to be proud of being white when it's considered perfectly acceptable to be proud of being black. It's either ridiculous on both counts or there's some merit to each.

Why? I believe there's an implicit assumption in that statement that the black experience in America and the white experience in America is the same.

No one's talking about the "experience" here so much as they are about being "proud" of their skin color, race, ethnicity, religion, etc. Based purely on skin tone (which is how and what many individuals do), there shouldn't be a difference in how whites and blacks are treated today -- both socially and legally. If we examine the so-called "black experience" and "white experience" against each other, then yes, there would be an obvious difference for many.

I may not be African American, but I am Jewish. It seems some people have forgotten that Jews are a minority in more ways than one. As for proving what I said about "hate crimes," I think it's enough to say that I have an extensive background in the criminal justice system. I might know a thing or two about how this works. You don't have to believe me, of course.

Granted and believable. As a matter of fact I do remember one particular fight chant some really nasty kids back in HS used to use...

Fight, fight... a N- and a Jew.

Go figure. And yes, I remember reading that you are Jewish.

However, should we want to equate the actual realities of this nation's socioeconomic caste system, it is clearly visible that African Americans have it very, very, very different from American Jews. As for Hate laws, well, they are written and are not that difficult to miss.

I won't dispute that. However, it's also true that anti-semitism is extremely prevalent all over the world. Simply because it's generally more difficult to spot a Jew than it is an African American doesn't change the fact that just as many people -- if not more -- would love to do the same to Jews as they would African Americans.

Interestingly enough, the general consensus is to view and treat Jews beneath those of so-called "white people" but still deny us the same benefits and protections that other minorities receive. Perhaps it's just as well that we can "blend in."

But there IS a difference in how skin color affects social and legal treatment in this country, today in 2008.

I can't dispute the anti-semitic observation. It is most definitely to your advantage as a white American Jew that you can blend in with the discriminatory bunch... trust me, its not fun being on the receiving end of any kind of discrimination, but there are some forms that are, although stupid, quite understandable in context with reality. Now... if you were an East African Jew in America... man you'd be screwed sometimes.

[Heracles 417]

For other fools, there is always to inability to rationalize orgaizations of hatred with organizations that promote equality. Oh well. Fools will be fools. Let the smart bone not be the funny bone.

What part of organization for the advancement of colored people do you not understand??

Is is that

Your responses certainly are. You know, pick and choose history as it suits your needs.

Edited May 14, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Amby 490]

I find most things that the KKK does to be crazy so I'm just not paying attention to them

[HAL 9000 96]

For other fools, there is always to inability to rationalize orgaizations of hatred with organizations that promote equality. Oh well. Fools will be fools. Let the smart bone not be the funny bone.

What part of organization for the advancement of colored people don't you understand??

Is is that

Your responses certainly are. You know, pick and choose history as it suits your needs.

Advancement from something, dear friend. Apparently something you missed by increasing the text size.