High turnout in West Virginia - The Hillary comeback starts today!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Should it not be remembered...

Feb. 14, 2008 was the Republican Primary in West Virginia.

Mike Huckabee won 52%

Romney 47%

...and McCain garnered a measely 1%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WV

That was a faux caucus and didn't reflect the poplular vote at all. The WV Republican Party pulled a switcheroo this year and seated delegates three months before the primary so they could be the first to show a vote on Super Tuesday.

If there was a fight right now to seat the GOP nominee like there is for the Democrats, these delegates would probably be as contentious as Michigan and Florida.

Ah, ok. Very interesting. Still, at least it shows that when McCain was up against Huckabee and Romney, he fared poorly, which makes the argument that Hillary is trying to make (that Obama can't beat McCain in WV) a bit weak.

Obama won't carry WV in November. I think that's pretty settled. WV just ain't nearly as important in November when Obama and McCain face off as Hillary (and possibly WV) would like to make it seem.

[no name 1]

Should it not be remembered...

Feb. 14, 2008 was the Republican Primary in West Virginia.

Mike Huckabee won 52%

Romney 47%

...and McCain garnered a measely 1%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WV

That was a faux caucus and didn't reflect the poplular vote at all. The WV Republican Party pulled a switcheroo this year and seated delegates three months before the primary so they could be the first to show a vote on Super Tuesday.

If there was a fight right now to seat the GOP nominee like there is for the Democrats, these delegates would probably be as contentious as Michigan and Florida.

Ah, ok. Very interesting. Still, at least it shows that when McCain was up against Huckabee and Romney, he fared poorly, which makes the argument that Hillary is trying to make (that Obama can't beat McCain in WV) a bit weak.

Obama won't carry WV in November. I think that's pretty settled. WV just ain't nearly as important in November when Obama and McCain face off as Hillary (and possibly WV) would like to make it seem.

March 2008? Things have changed.....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Should it not be remembered...

Feb. 14, 2008 was the Republican Primary in West Virginia.

Mike Huckabee won 52%

Romney 47%

...and McCain garnered a measely 1%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WV

That was a faux caucus and didn't reflect the poplular vote at all. The WV Republican Party pulled a switcheroo this year and seated delegates three months before the primary so they could be the first to show a vote on Super Tuesday.

If there was a fight right now to seat the GOP nominee like there is for the Democrats, these delegates would probably be as contentious as Michigan and Florida.

Ah, ok. Very interesting. Still, at least it shows that when McCain was up against Huckabee and Romney, he fared poorly, which makes the argument that Hillary is trying to make (that Obama can't beat McCain in WV) a bit weak.

Obama won't carry WV in November. I think that's pretty settled. WV just ain't nearly as important in November when Obama and McCain face off as Hillary (and possibly WV) would like to make it seem.

March 2008? Things have changed.....

Indeed. Hillary is further away from winning the nomination today than she's been in March. And, according the the latest poll, "Sen. Obama leads Sen. McCain 47 - 40 percent while Sen. Clinton is up 46 - 41 percent". Let's not try and pretend that WV is any more significant than it really is. Tomorrow, or even later today, not a soul is going to talk much about the results in WV but about how McCain and Obama will face off in November.

[HAL 9000 96]

Besides, wasn't it Hillary that was all about being technical not too long ago in "what mattered" etc? Now that the superdels are no longer in her domain... oh well!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Besides, wasn't it Hillary that was all about being technical not too long ago in "what mattered" etc? Now that the superdels are no longer in her domain... oh well!

Hillary still is all technical about what matters. And what matters are clearly only those states whose voters happen to support her. Only in Hillaryland...

[HAL 9000 96]

Besides, wasn't it Hillary that was all about being technical not too long ago in "what mattered" etc? Now that the superdels are no longer in her domain... oh well!

Hillary still is all technical about what matters. And what matters are clearly only those states whose voters happen to support her. Only in Hillaryland...

No kiddin. Besides... technicalities and all includes... she is mathematically barred from the nomination. Maybe all she wants now is to stick in the race long enough for Obama to "stoop" to help her pay off her campaign debts.

[nane1104 146]

The only way she's going to go away is if we elect her President twice and let her term limit the fukc out.

It's the only way this fair planet will ever be rid of her!

They still have Chelsea....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Besides, wasn't it Hillary that was all about being technical not too long ago in "what mattered" etc? Now that the superdels are no longer in her domain... oh well!

Hillary still is all technical about what matters. And what matters are clearly only those states whose voters happen to support her. Only in Hillaryland...

No kiddin. Besides... technicalities and all includes... she is mathematically barred from the nomination. Maybe all she wants now is to stick in the race long enough for Obama to "stoop" to help her pay off her campaign debts.

I actually think she wants to end on a high note to be better positioned for her continued Senate career (watch out Harry). She's not delusional about her odds to actually clinch the nomination at this point. And she's not going to risk both her political career and her husband's legacy by pursuing what the Democratic voters have clearly denied her: a run for President in 2008.

What I am not so certain about is whether she'd pursue a strategy of weakening Obama to ensure a McCain win so she can run against the then really old man in 2012. We'll see soon enough.

[HAL 9000 96]

Besides, wasn't it Hillary that was all about being technical not too long ago in "what mattered" etc? Now that the superdels are no longer in her domain... oh well!

Hillary still is all technical about what matters. And what matters are clearly only those states whose voters happen to support her. Only in Hillaryland...

No kiddin. Besides... technicalities and all includes... she is mathematically barred from the nomination. Maybe all she wants now is to stick in the race long enough for Obama to "stoop" to help her pay off her campaign debts.

I actually think she wants to end on a high note to be better positioned for her continued Senate career (watch out Harry). She's not delusional about her odds to actually clinch the nomination at this point. And she's not going to risk both her political career and her husband's legacy by pursuing what the Democratic voters have clearly denied her: a run for President in 2008.

What I am not so certain about is whether she'd pursue a strategy of weakening Obama to ensure a McCain win so she can run against the then really old man in 2012. We'll see soon enough.

To be honest I think that undermining Obama now would be political suicide for her...

OTOH, if for some strange event she did ramp away with the Democratic nomination this year, it would be through magic, and that would ensure not just the end of her political career, but a McCain victory in November... as well as a near guarantee that Obama could be all but guaranteed the top spot in 2012.

But that's 4 years of another Republican like Bush in office that we can do without.

[dalegg 143]

This is actually pretty generous. The polls have Obama up in Pennsylvania against McCain and waaay up in New Jersey.

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This is todays projection from electoral-vote.com. It has McCain winning, but I wouldn't worry about these polls till we're closer to November. Or at least till there is much more frequent polling data available for these projections.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Wow - weak Dem in CA according to that poll

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Wow - weak Dem in CA according to that poll

The poll it's using for CA is Obama 50, McCain 43 (Rasmussen, 4/16).

[Jack and Barbara 0]

Hillary's win in WV yesterday meant something...

until John Edwards gave his support to Obama during the evening newshour

[dalegg 143]

This is todays projection from electoral-vote.com. It has McCain winning, but I wouldn't worry about these polls till we're closer to November. Or at least till there is much more frequent polling data available for these projections.

Yeah, I don't buy Wisconsin, Michigan, or North Carolina for McCain. We got North Dakota back though! I think this one is more accurate about New Mexico and Ohio- and I think California will be closer than many think.

Edited May 15, 2008 by dalegg