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[MsZ 6]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

[Amastar 0]

Soldiers make big sacrifices, and for that they should receive special treatment.

They get it, they really do, while some struggle to get a house loan a military person is 100% guaranteed a 250,000 home loan no questions asked. Free health care, free housing (even with their family, I couldnt tell you how many friends I have that married a woman only to get a bigger house and a bigger paycheck), tax free, and government shopping, cheap food, clothes (name brand too) CDs , DVDs , free education (sometimes they pay you to go to school as well as your school) you name it and all tax free. The people in our military are well taken care of. I am happy that we do take care of our military but to say that they deserve special treatment for everything in their life is something I cant do. I support our military, my whole family is in the military and most of my good friends are, I pray for them everyday, but I understand it was their choice, it is the life they wanted, they are happy doing what they do, except for the first timers, they had no idea what they were getting into , but for those that reenlisted knew that the military life was for them.

Damn... Makes me want to sign up for the military. haha

If I wasnt so old and already married I think I would. Esp. with all the stuff Im having to pay for with this new house we are buying.

[Catt 6]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

Oh I agree with you about the medicare thing. The lack of medical care issue for soldiers that got wounded is outrageous.

But who says there should be a choice between either medical care or getting your wife a visa? I don't really follow that argument.

[Army_Wife 2]

I agree with Cat, would letting us have our visa's early really be special treatment? .... all it would do would enable us to spend a little more time with the guys we love before they disappear into the distance .... leaving us not knowing if we'll ever see them again.

At least for your peace of mind, if they die before we get our IR1's, it causes massive issues .... tons of foreign spouses of dead servicemen have been deported before getting IR1 .....

Special treatment ? .... I never would've thought of calling it that.

[MsZ 6]

If we're prioritizing things in order of importance, I think providing things that you'd expect them to have by virtue of their job first would make a lot more sense than other things.

Does there have to be a choice? Well, yes. Every change requires time and effort (resources) to put into place. With limited resources, you have to decide what to do first. Medical care is far more important than immigration.

[Ilya R. 0]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

It seems to me a word "selfish" comes in to play. Each soldiers personal responsibility is to sometimes give their life so you wouldnt have to. Thats personal responsibility and dedication. And please dont give me this "they chose to do it" Not everyone grows up with same opportunities, some have to go to army to make their life worth something, they take that risk and for that should at least be respected. Think "you see an old lady on the bus standing, would you offer your seat to her"? There is no law stating you have to, but there are higher things in life than laws.

[Army_Wife 2]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

Babe, it you can't take it .... don't dish it.

I bite my tongue everyday on this website .... and try to keep things light and happy for everyone.

Grown up huh? ..... well, come on then, give me a spanking .... you obviously think I'm younger and less experienced about life than you are.

[Beth/ Paris Heart 2]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

It seems to me a word "selfish" comes in to play. Each soldiers personal responsibility is to sometimes give their life so you wouldnt have to. Thats personal responsibility and dedication. And please dont give me this "they chose to do it" Not everyone grows up with same opportunities, some have to go to army to make their life worth something, they take that risk and for that should at least be respected. Think "you see an old lady on the bus standing, would you offer your seat to her"? There is no law stating you have to, but there are higher things in life than laws.

Higher things in life then law:

Self respect and pride for yourself and your country comes to mind. Self respect and pride taught to me by a U.S. Marine, my father.

[Army_Wife 2]

I'd much prefer to see soldiers have the access to medical care that is top notch than to see visa processing be a bone thrown at them. This effects so few while mental health care and medical care affect so many...

Sarah, if you want to get into personal insults, take it off-line.

I know a lot about love, about emotion, and about life. I'm a grownup. And thing one about being a grownup is personal responsibility.

It seems to me a word "selfish" comes in to play. Each soldiers personal responsibility is to sometimes give their life so you wouldnt have to. Thats personal responsibility and dedication. And please dont give me this "they chose to do it" Not everyone grows up with same opportunities, some have to go to army to make their life worth something, they take that risk and for that should at least be respected. Think "you see an old lady on the bus standing, would you offer your seat to her"? There is no law stating you have to, but there are higher things in life than laws.

Ilya, you hit the nail right on the head ..... "selfish"

[MsZ 6]

I've never said that I didn't appreciate or respect soldiers or firemen or anyone else who does service. I think you are confusing arguments. And I think you and Sarah both project a lot onto someone who disagrees with you. If it makes you feel better, great.

[000 0]

I agree with Cat, would letting us have our visa's early really be special treatment? .... all it would do would enable us to spend a little more time with the guys we love before they disappear into the distance .... leaving us not knowing if we'll ever see them again.

At least for your peace of mind, if they die before we get our IR1's, it causes massive issues .... tons of foreign spouses of dead servicemen have been deported before getting IR1 .....

Special treatment ? .... I never would've thought of calling it that.

Again I agree with you, I do 100%. For years i hated my government and my country because I never had my father in my life. Never. People on here talking about deployment is happening more often, I did not know it stopped. I guess it depends on what branch they are in. Also, as long as it is not a war area or somewhere that is really dangerous you are allowed to go with them, it might not be the best thing if you can not live off of only their salary but it is an option. An option that me and my family never had because for most of the things that the people in the special forces do can be considered very dangerous. And Iraq and other places where we have decided to step in and say "We are America, you will listen" are too dangerous. Its not wrong to want to have that time with them, but a sad truth is the military was not designed for the normal family idea (again depending on what branch and area they are in) but in the Visa process, yes it is considered special treatment, look at some of the countries that we have on here, and tell me you would feel safe walking alone on some of their streets. Poverty breeds crime, 3rd world countries are 3rd world because they are to poor and far behind to be considered normal countries. Just because peoples family are not in the service does not mean at any given time terrible things can not or will not happen to them, not to mention the other countries that are in civil war.

[000 0]

And on another note, some of you are acting as if things are being said to put down what the people in our armed forces do for this country. That is not what is happening here, the example of saying that some people did not have many other options but to join the military in order to get their life where they wanted it to be, this is true. Fayetteville NC, that is where Fort Bragg NC is, ever been there? Very awful little town, most people will end up joining the military, going to prison, or end up dead from crimes gone bad, yes it is a choice, A good choice but a choice just the same. I will never talk bad about anyone in the military and the first person who did i would toss a stone too. The fact is though it is a choice and the first contract you get in the military is not a life long one, another choice they have is to join for 3 years so the military will pay for their school. Either way it is a choice. I love my family, I love our military, but it is a choice. I dont blame them for their choices but there is always an exit, the military also has programs to help you get out of the military and live a good life. Fact is most people in our Armed forces love what they do.

[Catt 6]

If we're prioritizing things in order of importance, I think providing things that you'd expect them to have by virtue of their job first would make a lot more sense than other things.

Does there have to be a choice? Well, yes. Every change requires time and effort (resources) to put into place. With limited resources, you have to decide what to do first. Medical care is far more important than immigration.

Ha that would be an interesting convo

I can already see the immigration officer saying "dude, you want a faster visa for your wife? Dream on you don't even have access to decent medical care!"

[Army_Wife 2]

I agree with Cat, would letting us have our visa's early really be special treatment? .... all it would do would enable us to spend a little more time with the guys we love before they disappear into the distance .... leaving us not knowing if we'll ever see them again.

At least for your peace of mind, if they die before we get our IR1's, it causes massive issues .... tons of foreign spouses of dead servicemen have been deported before getting IR1 .....

Special treatment ? .... I never would've thought of calling it that.

Again I agree with you, I do 100%. For years i hated my government and my country because I never had my father in my life. Never. People on here talking about deployment is happening more often, I did not know it stopped. I guess it depends on what branch they are in. Also, as long as it is not a war area or somewhere that is really dangerous you are allowed to go with them, it might not be the best thing if you can not live off of only their salary but it is an option. An option that me and my family never had because for most of the things that the people in the special forces do can be considered very dangerous. And Iraq and other places where we have decided to step in and say "We are America, you will listen" are too dangerous. Its not wrong to want to have that time with them, but a sad truth is the military was not designed for the normal family idea (again depending on what branch and area they are in) but in the Visa process, yes it is considered special treatment, look at some of the countries that we have on here, and tell me you would feel safe walking alone on some of their streets. Poverty breeds crime, 3rd world countries are 3rd world because they are to poor and far behind to be considered normal countries. Just because peoples family are not in the service does not mean at any given time terrible things can not or will not happen to them, not to mention the other countries that are in civil war.

By the way ..... why can't your wife get an expedited case in 11 days too ? Brazil is also a dangerous country

[Army_Wife 2]

If we're prioritizing things in order of importance, I think providing things that you'd expect them to have by virtue of their job first would make a lot more sense than other things.

Does there have to be a choice? Well, yes. Every change requires time and effort (resources) to put into place. With limited resources, you have to decide what to do first. Medical care is far more important than immigration.

Ha that would be an interesting convo

I can already see the immigration officer saying "dude, you want a faster visa for your wife? Dream on you don't even have access to decent medical care!"

tell me about it Cat ... the medical care can be pretty awful .... about the same as the UK National Health System .... rubbish

So, no visa and no decent medical ... cool .... don't forget it was our choice after weighing up the options

Edited May 13, 2008 by KipandSarahJayne