82% of Americans (and 62% of Republicans) believe the country is on the wrong track

[HAL 9000 96]

It sure is, Obama will lose. The people know that Obama will be soft on terrorism and will leave us open to attack. The idea we can talk our way out of a conflict with those that want us dead is moronic in the worst way.

We can also talk ourselves into a conflict... Iraq

We certainly let ourselves get talked into that Sh!t Storm now didn't we?

[GaryC 7]

You're scaring me, Sheriff.

The fact is when it comes right down to it, if the government wanted to circumvent the system... they could...

Circumvent what? Our Constitution?

Show me where the constitution prohibits the Patriot Act. Oh wait, the SC said it was constitutinal. And wait, the dem congress kept renewing it! How can that be?

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Yep, thats Obama. Most people that are not on the left will see him that way when it's over.

I'm not sold on Sen. McCain's way ahead for America. Not to mention, I'm not sure that he can sell it to the people. He may well be in trouble in the fall... even more than you are willing to admit.

[HAL 9000 96]

Gary, What is your opinion about 'Patriot' act?

I like it. It was a very good idea. *stands back for the expected sh!t storm*

Agreed! The Patriot Act was a very good idea. It's the ultra liberals who attempt to find fault in this act. Democracy comes at a price and the ultra liberals have tried to derail the Patriot Act by scaring the American people into believing that Big Brother would misuse it's powers.

Damn ultra liberals. Matter of fact, damn all liberals!!!

The Patriot act isn't anything new. The only difference is that now we have it down on paper so it can be controlled. The much beloved FDR went way beyond anything in the Patriot Act during WW2. You do know that during the war we actively cencored all mail leaving and coming into the country? I remember seeing love letters from my uncle written to my aunt during the war. It had an official seal of the war censors on the outside and there were whole sentences cut out if he happened to mention where he was or where he thought he was going next. In the 60's JFK had the FBI and the CIA spying on any group he thought was subversive. How soon we forget. I guess the only time it's acceptable is when a dem is doing it and the only time it isn't acceptable is when a rep is doing it. Remember your history.

Which is precisely why those pesky liberals have decided to stand up against such practices all along. For those that got duped into it, well, most have paid for such stupidity politically. Then again, Sedition Acts, War Powers Acts, and civil surveillance campaigns haven't been anything new- making you absolutely right. Where you stray from a more linear form of reason is in assuming that it was wrong in retrospect to have it then and then justify it now based on politics or a false sense of necessity.

Diplomacy works.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

You're scaring me, Sheriff.

The fact is when it comes right down to it, if the government wanted to circumvent the system... they could...

Circumvent what? Our Constitution?

Show me where the constitution prohibits the Patriot Act. Oh wait, the SC said it was constitutinal. And wait, the dem congress kept renewing it! How can that be?

He can not... There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits our government from doing whatever is necessary to ensure the sovereignty and security of our great nation. Protecting us from potential terrorist attacks… Come on…

[GaryC 7]

Gary, What is your opinion about 'Patriot' act?

I like it. It was a very good idea. *stands back for the expected sh!t storm*

Agreed! The Patriot Act was a very good idea. It's the ultra liberals who attempt to find fault in this act. Democracy comes at a price and the ultra liberals have tried to derail the Patriot Act by scaring the American people into believing that Big Brother would misuse it's powers.

Damn ultra liberals. Matter of fact, damn all liberals!!!

The Patriot act isn't anything new. The only difference is that now we have it down on paper so it can be controlled. The much beloved FDR went way beyond anything in the Patriot Act during WW2. You do know that during the war we actively cencored all mail leaving and coming into the country? I remember seeing love letters from my uncle written to my aunt during the war. It had an official seal of the war censors on the outside and there were whole sentences cut out if he happened to mention where he was or where he thought he was going next. In the 60's JFK had the FBI and the CIA spying on any group he thought was subversive. How soon we forget. I guess the only time it's acceptable is when a dem is doing it and the only time it isn't acceptable is when a rep is doing it. Remember your history.

Which is precisely why those pesky liberals have decided to stand up against such practices all along. For those that got duped into it, well, most have paid for such stupidity politically. Then again, Sedition Acts, War Powers Acts, and civil surveillance campaigns haven't been anything new- making you absolutely right. Where you stray from a more linear form of reason is in assuming that it was wrong in retrospect to have it then and then justify it now based on politics or a false sense of necessity.

Diplomacy works.

False sense of necessity? Really? Views like that will get us all killed. The Patriot Act has saved us from further attacks. Diplomacy works? When? What major conflict has ever been solved with diplomacy? Especially when you talking to nut jobs like the president of Iran!

[dalegg 143]

Yep, thats Obama. Most people that are not on the left will see him that way when it's over.

Not to mention, I'm not sure that he can sell it to the people. He may well be in trouble in the fall... even more than you are willing to admit.

I think thats the whole issue in a nutshell. McCain cannot deliver a message like Obama can. He doesn't really look confident when he speaks like Obama, even if he is. These may seem like superficial attributes to judge a President on, but they will play. Especially with the millions of more registered Democrats- thats the part that has me really doubting McCain's chances. How many new Registered Republicans do we have?

[HAL 9000 96]

Sorry, I couldn't resist imitating our resident Hilbot #1/2:

Circumvent

Main Entry:

cir·cum·vent

Pronunciation:

\ˌsər-kəm-ˈvent\

Function:

transitive verb

Etymology:

Latin circumventus, past participle of circumvenire, from circum- + venire to come — more at come

Date:

1539

1 a: to hem in b: to make a circuit around

2: to manage to get around especially by ingenuity or stratagem <the setup circumvented the red tape

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Gary, What is your opinion about 'Patriot' act?

I like it. It was a very good idea. *stands back for the expected sh!t storm*

Agreed! The Patriot Act was a very good idea. It's the ultra liberals who attempt to find fault in this act. Democracy comes at a price and the ultra liberals have tried to derail the Patriot Act by scaring the American people into believing that Big Brother would misuse it's powers.

Damn ultra liberals. Matter of fact, damn all liberals!!!

The Patriot act isn't anything new. The only difference is that now we have it down on paper so it can be controlled. The much beloved FDR went way beyond anything in the Patriot Act during WW2. You do know that during the war we actively cencored all mail leaving and coming into the country? I remember seeing love letters from my uncle written to my aunt during the war. It had an official seal of the war censors on the outside and there were whole sentences cut out if he happened to mention where he was or where he thought he was going next. In the 60's JFK had the FBI and the CIA spying on any group he thought was subversive. How soon we forget. I guess the only time it's acceptable is when a dem is doing it and the only time it isn't acceptable is when a rep is doing it. Remember your history.

Which is precisely why those pesky liberals have decided to stand up against such practices all along. For those that got duped into it, well, most have paid for such stupidity politically. Then again, Sedition Acts, War Powers Acts, and civil surveillance campaigns haven't been anything new- making you absolutely right. Where you stray from a more linear form of reason is in assuming that it was wrong in retrospect to have it then and then justify it now based on politics or a false sense of necessity.

Diplomacy works.

False sense of necessity? Really? Views like that will get us all killed. The Patriot Act has saved us from further attacks. Diplomacy works? When? What major conflict has ever been solved with diplomacy? Especially when you talking to nut jobs like the president of Iran!

Agreed! In this day and age, it was appropriate to spell out the Patriot Act. Diplomacy only goes so far. People want us DEAD! They hate you and don't even know you the person, but because you are American. DEAD! Someone has to protect us from ourselves, and it won't be liberal thinking like that...

[GaryC 7]

Yep, thats Obama. Most people that are not on the left will see him that way when it's over.

Not to mention, I'm not sure that he can sell it to the people. He may well be in trouble in the fall... even more than you are willing to admit.

I think thats the whole issue in a nutshell. McCain cannot deliver a message like Obama can. He doesn't really look confident when he speaks like Obama, even if he is. These may seem like superficial attributes to judge a President on, but they will play. Especially with the millions of more registered Democrats- thats the part that has me really doubting McCain's chances. How many new Registered Republicans do we have?

He will get the rep vote since the alternative is so distastful. He will also get the moderate vote. They don't like hard liners of either stripe. There is no way for the Obama camp to spin his record. He is hard left.

[HAL 9000 96]

Gary, What is your opinion about 'Patriot' act?

I like it. It was a very good idea. *stands back for the expected sh!t storm*

Agreed! The Patriot Act was a very good idea. It's the ultra liberals who attempt to find fault in this act. Democracy comes at a price and the ultra liberals have tried to derail the Patriot Act by scaring the American people into believing that Big Brother would misuse it's powers.

Damn ultra liberals. Matter of fact, damn all liberals!!!

The Patriot act isn't anything new. The only difference is that now we have it down on paper so it can be controlled. The much beloved FDR went way beyond anything in the Patriot Act during WW2. You do know that during the war we actively cencored all mail leaving and coming into the country? I remember seeing love letters from my uncle written to my aunt during the war. It had an official seal of the war censors on the outside and there were whole sentences cut out if he happened to mention where he was or where he thought he was going next. In the 60's JFK had the FBI and the CIA spying on any group he thought was subversive. How soon we forget. I guess the only time it's acceptable is when a dem is doing it and the only time it isn't acceptable is when a rep is doing it. Remember your history.

Which is precisely why those pesky liberals have decided to stand up against such practices all along. For those that got duped into it, well, most have paid for such stupidity politically. Then again, Sedition Acts, War Powers Acts, and civil surveillance campaigns haven't been anything new- making you absolutely right. Where you stray from a more linear form of reason is in assuming that it was wrong in retrospect to have it then and then justify it now based on politics or a false sense of necessity.

Diplomacy works.

False sense of necessity? Really? Views like that will get us all killed. The Patriot Act has saved us from further attacks. Diplomacy works? When? What major conflict has ever been solved with diplomacy? Especially when you talking to nut jobs like the president of Iran!

Intelligence and adequate, pin point military strikes to wonders, Gary. Diplomacy works where blunt force idiocy creates future generations of maniacs ready to blow themselves up at out footsteps.

Now here again is yet another example of the need for more logical thinking: you can't get solve a major conflict with diplomacy because that means diplomacy failed.

Now, where has diplomacy worked?

Think back. Nuclear weapons anti-proliferation can be a good starting point.

[dalegg 143]

Yep, thats Obama. Most people that are not on the left will see him that way when it's over.

Not to mention, I'm not sure that he can sell it to the people. He may well be in trouble in the fall... even more than you are willing to admit.

I think thats the whole issue in a nutshell. McCain cannot deliver a message like Obama can. He doesn't really look confident when he speaks like Obama, even if he is. These may seem like superficial attributes to judge a President on, but they will play. Especially with the millions of more registered Democrats- thats the part that has me really doubting McCain's chances. How many new Registered Republicans do we have?

He will get the rep vote since the alternative is so distastful. He will also get the moderate vote. They don't like hard liners of either stripe. There is no way for the Obama camp to spin his record. He is hard left.

Yeah, I don't see a lot of Republicans going for Obama. I'm just looking at the demos from the past election though, and there are a few states that we barely got last election that seem ripe for losing this time and not many that can be turned the other way. The outside chance at offsetting that is only in California, which almost seems like fantasyland for any Republican.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yep, thats Obama. Most people that are not on the left will see him that way when it's over.

Not to mention, I'm not sure that he can sell it to the people. He may well be in trouble in the fall... even more than you are willing to admit.

I think thats the whole issue in a nutshell. McCain cannot deliver a message like Obama can. He doesn't really look confident when he speaks like Obama, even if he is. These may seem like superficial attributes to judge a President on, but they will play. Especially with the millions of more registered Democrats- thats the part that has me really doubting McCain's chances. How many new Registered Republicans do we have?

And how many Registered Republicans played into Operation Chaos? Come November, they'll only be able to vote one way or another. Some may just like to vote for Obama since they played one game already... but more realistically, Operation Chaos and all aside, its numbers are undoubtedly not enough to account for much come general elections.

[GaryC 7]

Gary, What is your opinion about 'Patriot' act?

I like it. It was a very good idea. *stands back for the expected sh!t storm*

Agreed! The Patriot Act was a very good idea. It's the ultra liberals who attempt to find fault in this act. Democracy comes at a price and the ultra liberals have tried to derail the Patriot Act by scaring the American people into believing that Big Brother would misuse it's powers.

Damn ultra liberals. Matter of fact, damn all liberals!!!

The Patriot act isn't anything new. The only difference is that now we have it down on paper so it can be controlled. The much beloved FDR went way beyond anything in the Patriot Act during WW2. You do know that during the war we actively cencored all mail leaving and coming into the country? I remember seeing love letters from my uncle written to my aunt during the war. It had an official seal of the war censors on the outside and there were whole sentences cut out if he happened to mention where he was or where he thought he was going next. In the 60's JFK had the FBI and the CIA spying on any group he thought was subversive. How soon we forget. I guess the only time it's acceptable is when a dem is doing it and the only time it isn't acceptable is when a rep is doing it. Remember your history.

Which is precisely why those pesky liberals have decided to stand up against such practices all along. For those that got duped into it, well, most have paid for such stupidity politically. Then again, Sedition Acts, War Powers Acts, and civil surveillance campaigns haven't been anything new- making you absolutely right. Where you stray from a more linear form of reason is in assuming that it was wrong in retrospect to have it then and then justify it now based on politics or a false sense of necessity.

Diplomacy works.

False sense of necessity? Really? Views like that will get us all killed. The Patriot Act has saved us from further attacks. Diplomacy works? When? What major conflict has ever been solved with diplomacy? Especially when you talking to nut jobs like the president of Iran!

Intelligence and adequate, pin point military strikes to wonders, Gary. Diplomacy works where blunt force idiocy creates future generations of maniacs ready to blow themselves up at out footsteps.

Now here again is yet another example of the need for more logical thinking: you can't get solve a major conflict with diplomacy because that means diplomacy failed.

Now, where has diplomacy worked?

Think back. Nuclear weapons anti-proliferation can be a good starting point.

BS. We won the cold war because Reagan out spent the USSR. The treaties were signed only because they knew they couldn't keep up. They relented at the point of a sword not because of diplomacy.

[HAL 9000 96]

Agreed! In this day and age, it was appropriate to spell out the Patriot Act. Diplomacy only goes so far. People want us DEAD! They hate you and don't even know you the person, but because you are American. DEAD! Someone has to protect us from ourselves, and it won't be liberal thinking like that...

Damn liberal scum.