Michigan Dems send latest delegate plan to DNC

[one...two...tree 2,762]

(CNN) – Michigan’s Democrats have accepted a compromise proposal in their latest attempt to ensure their state will be represented at this summer’s Democratic National Convention, CNN has confirmed.

The state party has voted to sign on to a plan devised a week-and-a-half ago by the working group seeking ways to end the impasse, including Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Sen. Carl Levin, Democratic National Committee Member Debbie Dingell and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.

The group urged the Democratic National Committee to seat the Michigan delegation under a formula that would give a 10-delegate edge to Hillary Clinton, and allow all 157 delegates and superdelegates to be seated this summer.

Clinton was the only major candidate to appear on the ballot in the state’s January contest, which she won with 55 percent of the vote. No delegates were awarded because of national party penalties on Michigan Democrats for moving up their primary date. Forty percent of January’s primary voters chose the “uncommitted” option on the ballot; a majority of those “uncommitted” delegates are backing Barack Obama.

Clinton’s campaign has said that the results of the January vote – which would give her an 18-delegate edge, 73-55 – should count. Obama’s campaign had said the delegates should be split evenly, 64-64. Another compromise plan submitted by DNC member Joel Ferguson – which would have given half a vote to each pledged delegate, and a full vote to each superdelegate – had been opposed by the Michigan working group.

Under the latest proposal adopted by the state party, which splits the difference between the Obama and Clinton proposals, the state’s 128 pledged delegates would be split 69-59, with the majority going to Hillary Clinton. Michigan Democrats has asked the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee – which meets at the end of the month – to consider the plan.

If both campaigns do not agree on the compromise, the issue will head to the DNC’s Credentials Committee for a resolution.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...te-plan-to-dnc/

[Sheriff Uling 3]

I just don't see how granting Sen Clinton more delegates is fair considering Sen Obama removed his name from the ballot. Michigan should be an even slit and move on... Since the will or participation of the people is at question, slip the popular vote and still discount the delegates as punishment for breaking the rules.

Edited May 8, 2008 by Sheriff Uling

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I just don't see how granting Sen Clinton more delegates is fair considering Sen Obama removed his name from the ballot. Michigan should be an even slit and move on...

I agree that it's not really fair, but fair enough - she'll only gain 10 more delegates than him, meanwhile he'll be even closer towards securing the nomination. It'll put an end to her argument that if MI were seated, she'd be ahead.

[Nagishkaw 510]

(CNN) – Michigan’s Democrats have accepted a compromise proposal in their latest attempt to ensure their state will be represented at this summer’s Democratic National Convention, CNN has confirmed.

The state party has voted to sign on to a plan devised a week-and-a-half ago by the working group seeking ways to end the impasse, including Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Sen. Carl Levin, Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber, Democratic National Committee Member Debbie Dingell and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.

The group urged the Democratic National Committee to seat the Michigan delegation under a formula that would give a 10-delegate edge to Hillary Clinton, and allow all 157 delegates and superdelegates to be seated this summer.

Clinton was the only major candidate to appear on the ballot in the state’s January contest, which she won with 55 percent of the vote. No delegates were awarded because of national party penalties on Michigan Democrats for moving up their primary date. Forty percent of January’s primary voters chose the “uncommitted” option on the ballot; a majority of those “uncommitted” delegates are backing Barack Obama.

Clinton’s campaign has said that the results of the January vote – which would give her an 18-delegate edge, 73-55 – should count. Obama’s campaign had said the delegates should be split evenly, 64-64. Another compromise plan submitted by DNC member Joel Ferguson – which would have given half a vote to each pledged delegate, and a full vote to each superdelegate – had been opposed by the Michigan working group.

Under the latest proposal adopted by the state party, which splits the difference between the Obama and Clinton proposals, the state’s 128 pledged delegates would be split 69-59, with the majority going to Hillary Clinton. Michigan Democrats has asked the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee – which meets at the end of the month – to consider the plan.

If both campaigns do not agree on the compromise, the issue will head to the DNC’s Credentials Committee for a resolution.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...te-plan-to-dnc/

Edited May 8, 2008 by Nagishkaw

[dalegg 143]

I just don't see how granting Sen Clinton more delegates is fair considering Sen Obama removed his name from the ballot. Michigan should be an even slit and move on...

I agree that it's not really fair, but fair enough - she'll only gain 10 more delegates than him, meanwhile he'll be even closer towards securing the nomination. It'll put an end to her argument that if MI were seated, she'd be ahead.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Obama should just let her have both states. He'll come out looking better in all ways, and still be ahead. It may help him in the polls in Florida in the general election too.

[GaryC 7]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

[GaryC 7]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

[GaryC 7]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

Same? Are you sure of that? The more total delegates the more it takes to win.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I just don't see how granting Sen Clinton more delegates is fair considering Sen Obama removed his name from the ballot. Michigan should be an even slit and move on...

I agree that it's not really fair, but fair enough - she'll only gain 10 more delegates than him, meanwhile he'll be even closer towards securing the nomination. It'll put an end to her argument that if MI were seated, she'd be ahead.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Obama should just let her have both states. He'll come out looking better in all ways, and still be ahead. It may help him in the polls in Florida in the general election too.

That's a decent compromise. They'll figure something for Florida soon, too. Then Hillary will get her wins in PR, KY and WV, Obama gets his in MT, SD and OR. Then on June 3, she 'll be behind but will have a good exit opportunity finishing on a high note having ensured that all states get to vote and having accomplished the seating of MI and FL. Everyone wins.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

Same? Are you sure of that? The more total delegates the more it takes to win.

Same - meaning, we'll have a nominee by June 3rd.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

Same? Are you sure of that? The more total delegates the more it takes to win.

It'll take 2209 or something like that. But Clinton did not carry FL by 100%. Hence, whatever delegates get seated, they both gain. And even though she'll gain more, it won't be enough to close the gap. Remember, according to the rules, neither state can count. If they seat them - and they will - it'll be on a compromise basis and it will be in such a way that they don't alter the outcome. The DNC is not going to reward the renegade states by allowing them to reverse what those states that complied with DNC rules decided. In other words, the seating of FL and MI is more of a symbolic nature.

[GaryC 7]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

Same? Are you sure of that? The more total delegates the more it takes to win.

It'll take 2209 or something like that. But Clinton did not carry FL by 100%. Hence, whatever delegates get seated, they both gain. And even though she'll gain more, it won't be enough to close the gap. Remember, according to the rules, neither state can count. If they seat them - and they will - it'll be on a compromise basis and it will be in such a way that they don't alter the outcome. The DNC is not going to reward the renegade states by allowing them to reverse what those states that complied with DNC rules decided. In other words, the seating of FL and MI is more of a symbolic nature.

From the OP it looks like they are giving Hillary more delegates. Who knows what the final outcome will be? And the flood of SD's rushing to back Obama? All I see is a trickle.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just remember that if they seat MI the total to get the nomination is no longer 2025.

The number would be 2,104....Obama will still reach that by June 3rd.

And if they seat FL?

Same.

Same? Are you sure of that? The more total delegates the more it takes to win.

It'll take 2209 or something like that. But Clinton did not carry FL by 100%. Hence, whatever delegates get seated, they both gain. And even though she'll gain more, it won't be enough to close the gap. Remember, according to the rules, neither state can count. If they seat them - and they will - it'll be on a compromise basis and it will be in such a way that they don't alter the outcome. The DNC is not going to reward the renegade states by allowing them to reverse what those states that complied with DNC rules decided. In other words, the seating of FL and MI is more of a symbolic nature.

From the OP it looks like they are giving Hillary more delegates. Who knows what the final outcome will be? And the flood of SD's rushing to back Obama? All I see is a trickle.

She's gaining 10 for MI. She's over 160 behind. What's the problem?