Employement Contracts in PI - Please explain to an American

[tallcoolone 102]

BackGround:

My Fiance sister got her first job at a hotel in Makati. She is from a city/province/town about one hour south of Davao.

She basically clears about 4000 peso per month after tax / rent. Pitiful in my opinion, but that's another subject.

She signed a 6 month contract, she has about 2 months left. She asked off work for 2 weeks to spend time with her younger sister (My Fiance). They granted her 2 weeks off, I sent money for airfare and misc expenses to get her back home to Hometown.

Her company/supervisor has been texting asking her to come back early, I told her to text them and ask them if they were going to pay for ticket back. Of course they declined with some type of excuse.

Her sister is very niave, and I told her if you let your employer know they can push you around ,then you will be a target forever.

I told her to tell the company to "Take this Job and Shove It", but of course in the typical Pinay style she is afraid to challenge authority.

SHe is afraid of being sued, so she is going back to work early.

She owns no assets, except for a cellphone and her clothes.

Employment contract are very rare in USA, and if a employee wants to quit at any time, They just quit and find another job very easily.

Question is : Can or would they really sue her, or is this some type of PI myth to scare workers.

Edited May 4, 2008 by tallcoolone

[RonMay 1]

BackGround:

My Fiance sister got her first job at a hotel in Makati. She is from a city/province/town about one hour south of Davao.

She basically clears about 4000 peso per month after tax / rent. Pitiful in my opinion, but that's another subject.

She signed a 6 month contract, she has about 2 months left. She asked off work for 2 weeks to spend time with her younger sister (My Fiance). They granted her 2 weeks off, I sent money for airfare and misc expenses to get her back home to Hometown.

Her company/supervisor has been texting asking her to come back early, I told her to text them and ask them if they were going to pay for ticket back. Of course they declined with some type of excuse.

Her sister is very niave, and I told her if you let your employer know they can push you around ,then you will be a target forever.

I told her to tell the company to "Take this Job and Shove It", but of course in the typical Pinay style she is afraid to challenge authority.

SHe is afriad of being sued, so she is going back to work early.

She owns no assets, except for a cellphone and her clothes.

Employment contract are very rare in USA, and if a employee wants to quit at any time, They just quit and find another job very easily.

Question is : Can or would they really sue her, or is this some type of PI myth to scare workers.

no they couldnt[wouldnt if that's the term] sue her (at least they wont waste a breath in my opinion) but they can fire her in a blink of an eye or like a speed of a lightning lol if you know what i mean... unemployement in phil is so high that one has to have a degree just to get to work in malls or lets say a bank (here in the US you could be a HS grad for that matter to work as a teller but its a no no in phil)... so its not mainly being naive but rather keeping your job to whatever possible cause... a means for that matter... i truly understand her no doubt. heck i might have done the same... 6 months is always the minimum contract in phil as a temp job then if they like you then they will let you stay and sign for longer contract... way way way different here in the US... no contract no nothing unless if its a corporate thing... she can challenge the authority, but then what? empty stomach??? lol... thats why its hard to get by in phil and its hard to understand the system when one doesnt live for a long period of time there... we filipinos couldnt even understand the system at times... but what i love being a filipino too, is that no matter how big is the problem, we always put a big smile on our face and just laugh about it...

Edited May 4, 2008 by RonMay

[ManilaIdaho 2]

BackGround:

My Fiance sister got her first job at a hotel in Makati. She is from a city/province/town about one hour south of Davao.

She basically clears about 4000 peso per month after tax / rent. Pitiful in my opinion, but that's another subject.

She signed a 6 month contract, she has about 2 months left. She asked off work for 2 weeks to spend time with her younger sister (My Fiance). They granted her 2 weeks off, I sent money for airfare and misc expenses to get her back home to Hometown.

Her company/supervisor has been texting asking her to come back early, I told her to text them and ask them if they were going to pay for ticket back. Of course they declined with some type of excuse.

Her sister is very niave, and I told her if you let your employer know they can push you around ,then you will be a target forever.

I told her to tell the company to "Take this Job and Shove It", but of course in the typical Pinay style she is afraid to challenge authority.

SHe is afraid of being sued, so she is going back to work early.

She owns no assets, except for a cellphone and her clothes.

Employment contract are very rare in USA, and if a employee wants to quit at any time, They just quit and find another job very easily.

Question is : Can or would they really sue her, or is this some type of PI myth to scare workers.

I understand that your sister in law is under what we call here a "contractor worker",the contract usually ends after 6mos but it depends what was written in a contract.I used to employ workers and had them sign a contract for a year,but they're free to resign if they wish to provided they will inform me or submit a resignation letter

In my opinion,if she has no liabilities to her company,she's free to resign.Maybe others can give their own opinion with this matter.

[mikeandlani 0]

BackGround:

My Fiance sister got her first job at a hotel in Makati. She is from a city/province/town about one hour south of Davao.

She basically clears about 4000 peso per month after tax / rent. Pitiful in my opinion, but that's another subject.

She signed a 6 month contract, she has about 2 months left. She asked off work for 2 weeks to spend time with her younger sister (My Fiance). They granted her 2 weeks off, I sent money for airfare and misc expenses to get her back home to Hometown.

Her company/supervisor has been texting asking her to come back early, I told her to text them and ask them if they were going to pay for ticket back. Of course they declined with some type of excuse.

Her sister is very niave, and I told her if you let your employer know they can push you around ,then you will be a target forever.

I told her to tell the company to "Take this Job and Shove It", but of course in the typical Pinay style she is afraid to challenge authority.

SHe is afraid of being sued, so she is going back to work early.

She owns no assets, except for a cellphone and her clothes.

Employment contract are very rare in USA, and if a employee wants to quit at any time, They just quit and find another job very easily.

Question is : Can or would they really sue her, or is this some type of PI myth to scare workers.

your fiancee's sister probably works in an agency, as such they are not considered regular employees but contractuals. the have no security of tenure and work on a no-work, no pay scheme. they probably won't sue, instead they'd just terminate her services if she fails to return as required. if your fiancee's sister is no longer interested in working for them, the company cannot compel her to do so as that would be involuntary servitude, a gross violation of a person's constitutional rights....unless of course the company sent her to one of those expensive trainings that require a lock-in employment period so as to get the return of the cost of training...

[RonMay 1]

I understand that your sister in law is under what we call here a "contractor worker",the contract usually ends after 6mos but it depends what was written in a contract.I used to employ workers and had them sign a contract for a year,but they're free to resign if they wish to provided they will inform me or submit a resignation letter

In my opinion,if she has no liabilities to her company,she's free to resign.Maybe others can give their own opinion with this matter.

right, one can always resign anytime... AWOL is one of the easiest reason for them to fire you lol, but an easy escape for you to quit your job also lol but its not a good record in your resume lol...

[cieloazul 0]

My sister-in-law had recently opted out of a labor contract where she was working in an electronics assembly job so that she could return to nursing school. She got the job through a privately owned employment agency who contracts with local businesses for labor. The employee has a deduction from their salary which is paid to the employment agency for obtaining the job. IMO, there is probably some type of graft (kickbacks) going on between the employment agency and the HR or whomever hires at the company. At the end of the contract, the employee is replaced and the cycle starts again. My wife says this is the only way to get a job there (Laguna area). I doubt the job agency or the company would sue over a lower salary job.

[tallcoolone 102]

no they couldnt[wouldnt if that's the term] sue her (at least they wont waste a breath in my opinion) but they can fire her in a blink of an eye or like a speed of a lightning lol if you know what i mean... unemployement in phil is so high that one has to have a degree just to get to work in malls or lets say a bank (here in the US you could be a HS grad for that matter to work as a teller but its a no no in phil)... so its not mainly being naive but rather keeping your job to whatever possible cause... a means for that matter... i truly understand her no doubt. heck i might have done the same... 6 months is always the minimum contract in phil as a temp job then if they like you then they will let you stay and sign for longer contract... way way way different here in the US... no contract no nothing unless if its a corporate thing... she can challenge the authority, but then what? empty stomach??? lol... thats why its hard to get by in phil and its hard to understand the system when one doesnt live for a long period of time there... we filipinos couldnt even understand the system at times... but what i love being a filipino too, is that no matter how big is the problem, we always put a big smile on our face and just laugh about it...

FYI, I am fully aware about having and education to just be able to get a job. Nurses can't even find work in PI now.

Of course I offered to make sure she had enough money to live on, That's not a problem for me, Thank God.

I wanted her to go back and find a job in Davao area, I like the area so so much better than Manila area.

I explained to her I would take care of her until she found a job, but she told her sister she is afraid of being sued. I tried to talk to her, but she has her own thougths on the subject.

[RonMay 1]

no they couldnt[wouldnt if that's the term] sue her (at least they wont waste a breath in my opinion) but they can fire her in a blink of an eye or like a speed of a lightning lol if you know what i mean... unemployement in phil is so high that one has to have a degree just to get to work in malls or lets say a bank (here in the US you could be a HS grad for that matter to work as a teller but its a no no in phil)... so its not mainly being naive but rather keeping your job to whatever possible cause... a means for that matter... i truly understand her no doubt. heck i might have done the same... 6 months is always the minimum contract in phil as a temp job then if they like you then they will let you stay and sign for longer contract... way way way different here in the US... no contract no nothing unless if its a corporate thing... she can challenge the authority, but then what? empty stomach??? lol... thats why its hard to get by in phil and its hard to understand the system when one doesnt live for a long period of time there... we filipinos couldnt even understand the system at times... but what i love being a filipino too, is that no matter how big is the problem, we always put a big smile on our face and just laugh about it...

FYI, I am fully aware about having and education to just be able to get a job. Nurses can't even find work in PI now.

Of course I offered to make sure she had enough money to live on, That's not a problem for me, Thank God.

I wanted her to go back and find a job in Davao area, I like the area so so much better than Manila area.

I explained to her I would take care of her until she found a job, but she told her sister she is afraid of being sued. I tried to talk to her, but she has her own thougths on the subject.

for sure she has her own mind and im not saying you dont "get it" no offense. im just pointing the difference... my answer was not being directed to you but merely my own point of view of what the situation in phil and that its hard to understand knowing such complications in the system. the deep end of the ocean is always and will ever be unknown... i do apologize if you think i misjudge you or to whomever think that way... im just here to help and be COOL to everybody...

[I luv my chappara 0]

Hi i don't think they will sue her,

Ive done this before,, but one friend advice me to send my resignation letter explaining my concerns... through their email, so I did

They don't have choice than to accept it

I worked in Consulting/financial Company in Makati before also... after I graduated in college and I was in contractual basis also... (even big companies here in PI uses agency now sad.. and they will decide after if they will renew ur contract... i think this is because of high unemployment rate here... so maybe their idea is okay ... next batch...

Edited May 4, 2008 by I luv my chappara

[ManilaIdaho 2]

no they couldnt[wouldnt if that's the term] sue her (at least they wont waste a breath in my opinion) but they can fire her in a blink of an eye or like a speed of a lightning lol if you know what i mean... unemployement in phil is so high that one has to have a degree just to get to work in malls or lets say a bank (here in the US you could be a HS grad for that matter to work as a teller but its a no no in phil)... so its not mainly being naive but rather keeping your job to whatever possible cause... a means for that matter... i truly understand her no doubt. heck i might have done the same... 6 months is always the minimum contract in phil as a temp job then if they like you then they will let you stay and sign for longer contract... way way way different here in the US... no contract no nothing unless if its a corporate thing... she can challenge the authority, but then what? empty stomach??? lol... thats why its hard to get by in phil and its hard to understand the system when one doesnt live for a long period of time there... we filipinos couldnt even understand the system at times... but what i love being a filipino too, is that no matter how big is the problem, we always put a big smile on our face and just laugh about it...

FYI, I am fully aware about having and education to just be able to get a job. Nurses can't even find work in PI now.

Of course I offered to make sure she had enough money to live on, That's not a problem for me, Thank God.

I wanted her to go back and find a job in Davao area, I like the area so so much better than Manila area.

I explained to her I would take care of her until she found a job, but she told her sister she is afraid of being sued. I tried to talk to her, but she has her own thougths on the subject.

I understand your sister in law's situation,since that's her first job,and never experienced such kind before that's why she's afraid that she might get sued by her employer.you and your fiancee might want to talk to her regarding this matter and assure her everything will be ok.maybe you could ask her to review her contract and see if they've indicated that they can sue her once she didnt finish the contract.

Even in big companies like PLDT where i used to work as a regular employee for 12yrs,one contract worker didnt report for work and was declared AWOL by my company,they just terminated the contract but she was never sued for doing that

[tallcoolone 102]

for sure she has her own mind and im not saying you dont "get it" no offense. im just pointing the difference... my answer was not being directed to you but merely my own point of view of what the situation in phil and that its hard to understand knowing such complications in the system. the deep end of the ocean is always and will ever be unknown... i do apologize if you think i misjudge you or to whomever think that way... im just here to help and be COOL to everybody...

Communication Breakdown USA to PI.

I thank you for your reply and information, I am not the best in typing (I am frank and to the point sometimes)

, I do better when using speech.

No need to apologize to me, We are all on the same page here.

I value yours and everyone opinion in this Philippine section.

[N360 0]

BackGround:

My Fiance sister got her first job at a hotel in Makati. She is from a city/province/town about one hour south of Davao.

She basically clears about 4000 peso per month after tax / rent. Pitiful in my opinion, but that's another subject.

She signed a 6 month contract, she has about 2 months left. She asked off work for 2 weeks to spend time with her younger sister (My Fiance). They granted her 2 weeks off, I sent money for airfare and misc expenses to get her back home to Hometown.

Her company/supervisor has been texting asking her to come back early, I told her to text them and ask them if they were going to pay for ticket back. Of course they declined with some type of excuse.

Her sister is very niave, and I told her if you let your employer know they can push you around ,then you will be a target forever.

I told her to tell the company to "Take this Job and Shove It", but of course in the typical Pinay style she is afraid to challenge authority.

SHe is afraid of being sued, so she is going back to work early.

She owns no assets, except for a cellphone and her clothes.

Employment contract are very rare in USA, and if a employee wants to quit at any time, They just quit and find another job very easily.

Question is : Can or would they really sue her, or is this some type of PI myth to scare workers.

It sounds like you are the naive one and not your fiance's sister. Situations in Philippines is not like here in America. Otherwise you wouldnt see so many young women in Philippines hanging out in Internet cafes.

Normally, filipinos cant act with the same bravado you just told your fiance's siter towards their employer. Here in America your advise is understandable. In Philippines, Im not so sure. They might not sue her but they can fire her.

Think about it... she has a low paying job and lives very far away from her family. That should tell you how hard it is to find a job for most filipinos.

[pnrmbr975 1]

It is not easy to find a job with a decent enough pay in Davao. I just thought I'd mention it. Be ready to support your sister-in-law for a year.

Edited May 4, 2008 by pnrmbr975

[pnrmbr975 1]

future sister-in-law.

[jom 4]

It is not easy to find a job with a decent enough pay in Davao. I just thought I'd mention it. Be ready to support your sister-in-law for a year.

With due respect, it is not the OP's responsibility to financially support his future sister-inlaw .