New York Times: A Blacklash?

[Fandango 1,439]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals' And I love the new 'he's going to unite peeps' new mantra, btw.

Its so funny, I have to say...I see you all the time accusing peeps of having blinders on when it comes to certain candidates, yet yours has essentially done nothing but blow a bunch of hot air...he has a mouth writin checks prolly that his azz cant cash. I don't begrudge your right to back him, tho.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

[Fandango 1,439]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

[GaryC 7]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid. You know what they say, if you tell a lie long enough sooner or later people will start to believe it. It seems he has been hearing the lie quite a bit lately. Trust me, Obama will not be supported by Republicans. He will only "unite" like minded people and this country will be just as divided as it is today, we will only switch which side is pizzed off is all.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

I did? When? Where?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid.

Actually, Gary, it is Lisa who's on Kool-Aid or something. In back-to-back posts she's been arguing about two points I never made in the first place.

[GaryC 7]

She's definitely not the uniter.

Thats true but neither is Obama. They will both divide us beyond where we are today.

Not a chance. Neither of them is nearly as divisive as Bush. Both Clinton and Obama are not closed off to reality ans stuck in their stubborn ways as GW. Honestly, GW is stubborn in an almost infantile way. So much so that it's ridiculous and pathetic at the same time. Which is why Americans rate him the worst of any Presidents in recent history.

I highly disagree.

You may but the numbers tell the story.

Bush's approval ratings:

I can give poll results also. While Bush's approval numbers are in the 30's the dem controlled congress numbers are in the low 20's. Strangely enough, they went up when the reps had congress and have been going down ever since the dems took over. Maybe a look into the minds of the people this fall?

[GaryC 7]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid.

Actually, Gary, it is Lisa who's on Kool-Aid or something. In back-to-back posts she's been arguing about two points I never made in the first place.

To be fair I should point out it was Steven that implied that Obama is the "uniter". R just picked up the argument after that without claiming any uniter status for either one. It's getting hard to keep everyone POV separated here.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid.

Actually, Gary, it is Lisa who's on Kool-Aid or something. In back-to-back posts she's been arguing about two points I never made in the first place.

To be fair I should point out it was Steven that implied that Obama is the "uniter". R just picked up the argument after that without claiming any uniter status for either one. It's getting hard to keep everyone POV separated here.

What I have been saying is that either of the three candidates still in the running will be less divisive than W. And I have been saying that I believe that Obama would be the most inclusive of the three bringing the most people together. Not everyone, obviously, but far more than just "liberals" as has been suggested. There are many that know and have worked with Obama - liberals, conservatives and people in-between - that seem to agree with this particular point of view.

Edited May 5, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[GaryC 7]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid.

Actually, Gary, it is Lisa who's on Kool-Aid or something. In back-to-back posts she's been arguing about two points I never made in the first place.

To be fair I should point out it was Steven that implied that Obama is the "uniter". R just picked up the argument after that without claiming any uniter status for either one. It's getting hard to keep everyone POV separated here.

What I have been saying is that either of the three candidates still in the running will be less divisive than W. And I have been saying that I believe that Obama would be the most inclusive of the three bringing the most people together. Not everyone, obviously, but far more than just "liberals" as has been suggested. There are many that know and have worked with Obama - liberals, conservatives and people in-between - that seem to agree with this particular point of view.

Well, as you say thats just the people you "hang" with. The people I know including many liberals, conservatives and people in-between see Obama as an extreme left winger that will divide us totally.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Which policies has he proposed that are anything but solidly liberal?

When are you guys gonna wake up and recognize that the old left - right schemata are increasingly useless? I thought I've shown in my previous post that Obama enjoys support from folks that would hardly be considered liberal.

There's no spokesperson who speaks for all 'non liberals'

I don't remember claiming that there is.

You made a claim that O is the only one who can 'unite' everyone.

You were then asked how he could unite the non-libs.

At the time I hit 'reply' you provided one link to an interview with Chuck Hagel. Of course now, its edited with many other linkys, but as I see it, you were asked for an explanation of your opinion, which I don't think you did. Cos it's not like 'oh look, Chuck Hagel seems to think so, so you should too!'

R is just passing out more of the Obama Kool-Aid.

Actually, Gary, it is Lisa who's on Kool-Aid or something. In back-to-back posts she's been arguing about two points I never made in the first place.

To be fair I should point out it was Steven that implied that Obama is the "uniter". R just picked up the argument after that without claiming any uniter status for either one. It's getting hard to keep everyone POV separated here.

What I have been saying is that either of the three candidates still in the running will be less divisive than W. And I have been saying that I believe that Obama would be the most inclusive of the three bringing the most people together. Not everyone, obviously, but far more than just "liberals" as has been suggested. There are many that know and have worked with Obama - liberals, conservatives and people in-between - that seem to agree with this particular point of view.

Well, as you say thats just the people you "hang" with. The people I know including many liberals, conservatives and people in-between see Obama as an extreme left winger that will divide us totally.

People I hang with? Where did I talk about people I hang with? I spoke about and quoted people that know and have worked with Obama. As of late, I don't hang with Hagel.

[HAL 9000 96]

The only extremes here are those that even remotely equate extreme left wing with anything in the Democratic Party capable of capturing enough votes thus far to be the current front runner in the candidate selection process. That is just blatantly "out there."

[GaryC 7]

The only extremes here are those that even remotely equate extreme left wing with anything in the Democratic Party capable of capturing enough votes thus far to be the current front runner in the candidate selection process. That is just blatantly "out there."

Really? Have you looked up Obama's record? If there is ever a definition of "far left" it's him. The only thing thats "out there" is Obama. His record will be put on display for the world to see when the general election season starts. Any support he has from the center will fall away at that time. Right now he is just running on a cult of personality. That will not last long.

[Scott & Lai 12]

The only extremes here are those that even remotely equate extreme left wing with anything in the Democratic Party capable of capturing enough votes thus far to be the current front runner in the candidate selection process. That is just blatantly "out there."

What posititions would you consider "extreme left wing"?

[HAL 9000 96]

The only extremes here are those that even remotely equate extreme left wing with anything in the Democratic Party capable of capturing enough votes thus far to be the current front runner in the candidate selection process. That is just blatantly "out there."

What posititions would you consider "extreme left wing"?

Communism is pretty far left wing in my opinion.

Obama works pretty well within the capitalist framework and thusly does not earn the (albeit an attempt at playing the confused economics-politics smear game) "extreme left wing" nick.

Now if we want to play the other name calling game of liberals and conservatives, that would be more appropriate, beyond trying to make boogey men out of standard socioeconomics that are, at least in the United States of America, far away from actual realities when it comes to really represent what it means to be a "liberal or conservative."

The only extremes here are those that even remotely equate extreme left wing with anything in the Democratic Party capable of capturing enough votes thus far to be the current front runner in the candidate selection process. That is just blatantly "out there."

Really? Have you looked up Obama's record? If there is ever a definition of "far left" it's him. The only thing thats "out there" is Obama. His record will be put on display for the world to see when the general election season starts. Any support he has from the center will fall away at that time. Right now he is just running on a cult of personality. That will not last long.

Yes, he is running out of the cult personality that those that (want to?) ignore the issues are propelling. Only time will tell, right Gary?

BTW... missed you on that other thread...