Obama throws Rev Wright under the bus

[GaryC 7]

I was just watching a news conference on TV. He just totally disowned Rev Wright. He looked very nervous. He was stammering, stuttering and every other word was "um". He said that "nothing that Rev Wright said yesterday was constructive". Ok, he did it. He has disowned him. I still have to wonder how someone can sit in a church for 20 years and not understand what the preacher stood for. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

He should have done it a long time ago.

He is in damage control. No doubt about that. With more primaries coming up next week it does not look good for him. You know I have wanted the battle between Hillary and Obama to continue. This is very good news for Hillary. My guess is that Hillary can now catch him in the popular vote and will have a real case to be made about being the most electable. I now give her even odds of getting enough SD's to get the nomination. The dem party will melt down. How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

Wright's comments didn't seem give Hillary much advantage in Penn. That was her state, and she had all the cards, including the Wright controversy working for her. But she only managed a 9 point margin. If you took the Wright controversy out of the picture, she probably would have still won by 8-10 points.

That was before the last 4 days events. Watch what happens next week.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well like I've stated before. If HC is somehow able to get the default nomination (if the current frontrunner drops out), I will either vote for her or not vote at all in November.

As for the OP- well, it really is a dead horse getting beat. In a way the Pastor has done Obama a favor by cementing the differences between them, to the chagrin of those that want to continue beating that dead horse about.

Yeah right, with your logical mind tell me this- how could he have known Rev Wright for 20 years and not have known his views? It's a real stretch to believe that. If he really didn't share his views then why didn't he leave long ago? Oh no, this just proves that Obama knew what he was like and because Wright made an azz out of himself yesterday he is forced to do damage control. Say by-by to Obama folks.

Could be. Or it could be that the vultures are reaching for straws yet again.

[GaryC 7]

Well like I've stated before. If HC is somehow able to get the default nomination (if the current frontrunner drops out), I will either vote for her or not vote at all in November.

As for the OP- well, it really is a dead horse getting beat. In a way the Pastor has done Obama a favor by cementing the differences between them, to the chagrin of those that want to continue beating that dead horse about.

Yeah right, with your logical mind tell me this- how could he have known Rev Wright for 20 years and not have known his views? It's a real stretch to believe that. If he really didn't share his views then why didn't he leave long ago? Oh no, this just proves that Obama knew what he was like and because Wright made an azz out of himself yesterday he is forced to do damage control. Say by-by to Obama folks.

Could be. Or it could be that the vultures are reaching for straws yet again.

What you or I thinks doesn't matter. It's what the majority of voters think. I don't think this is straws, I think they are bricks.

[Dan J 277]

I was just watching a news conference on TV. He just totally disowned Rev Wright. He looked very nervous. He was stammering, stuttering and every other word was "um". He said that "nothing that Rev Wright said yesterday was constructive". Ok, he did it. He has disowned him. I still have to wonder how someone can sit in a church for 20 years and not understand what the preacher stood for. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

He should have done it a long time ago.

He is in damage control. No doubt about that. With more primaries coming up next week it does not look good for him. You know I have wanted the battle between Hillary and Obama to continue. This is very good news for Hillary. My guess is that Hillary can now catch him in the popular vote and will have a real case to be made about being the most electable. I now give her even odds of getting enough SD's to get the nomination. The dem party will melt down. How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

Wright's comments didn't seem give Hillary much advantage in Penn. That was her state, and she had all the cards, including the Wright controversy working for her. But she only managed a 9 point margin. If you took the Wright controversy out of the picture, she probably would have still won by 8-10 points.

That was before the last 4 days events. Watch what happens next week.

I think those who are most affected by Wrights comments probably won't vote for Obama anyway, with or without Wright.

I think this issue will have more bearing on the GE, but that depends on voter memory, which is relatively short. But I also think that McCain's more controversial religious endorsements might come into play if he tries to make Wright an issue.

[GaryC 7]

I was just watching a news conference on TV. He just totally disowned Rev Wright. He looked very nervous. He was stammering, stuttering and every other word was "um". He said that "nothing that Rev Wright said yesterday was constructive". Ok, he did it. He has disowned him. I still have to wonder how someone can sit in a church for 20 years and not understand what the preacher stood for. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

He should have done it a long time ago.

He is in damage control. No doubt about that. With more primaries coming up next week it does not look good for him. You know I have wanted the battle between Hillary and Obama to continue. This is very good news for Hillary. My guess is that Hillary can now catch him in the popular vote and will have a real case to be made about being the most electable. I now give her even odds of getting enough SD's to get the nomination. The dem party will melt down. How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

Wright's comments didn't seem give Hillary much advantage in Penn. That was her state, and she had all the cards, including the Wright controversy working for her. But she only managed a 9 point margin. If you took the Wright controversy out of the picture, she probably would have still won by 8-10 points.

That was before the last 4 days events. Watch what happens next week.

I think those who are most affected by Wrights comments probably won't vote for Obama anyway, with or without Wright.

I think this issue will have more bearing on the GE, but that depends on voter memory, which is relatively short. But I also think that McCain's more controversial religious endorsements might come into play if he tries to make Wright an issue.

Being endorsed by someone is very different than sitting in a church for 20 years. If the dems try a #######-for-tat on this subject they will lose.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well like I've stated before. If HC is somehow able to get the default nomination (if the current frontrunner drops out), I will either vote for her or not vote at all in November.

As for the OP- well, it really is a dead horse getting beat. In a way the Pastor has done Obama a favor by cementing the differences between them, to the chagrin of those that want to continue beating that dead horse about.

Yeah right, with your logical mind tell me this- how could he have known Rev Wright for 20 years and not have known his views? It's a real stretch to believe that. If he really didn't share his views then why didn't he leave long ago? Oh no, this just proves that Obama knew what he was like and because Wright made an azz out of himself yesterday he is forced to do damage control. Say by-by to Obama folks.

Could be. Or it could be that the vultures are reaching for straws yet again.

What you or I thinks doesn't matter. It's what the majority of voters think. I don't think this is straws, I think they are bricks.

Or turds, depending on whom you ask. Honestly, most voters probably care more about the issues than they do about guilt by association that your Operation Chaos has sought to keep in the limelight.

[GaryC 7]

Well like I've stated before. If HC is somehow able to get the default nomination (if the current frontrunner drops out), I will either vote for her or not vote at all in November.

As for the OP- well, it really is a dead horse getting beat. In a way the Pastor has done Obama a favor by cementing the differences between them, to the chagrin of those that want to continue beating that dead horse about.

Yeah right, with your logical mind tell me this- how could he have known Rev Wright for 20 years and not have known his views? It's a real stretch to believe that. If he really didn't share his views then why didn't he leave long ago? Oh no, this just proves that Obama knew what he was like and because Wright made an azz out of himself yesterday he is forced to do damage control. Say by-by to Obama folks.

Could be. Or it could be that the vultures are reaching for straws yet again.

What you or I thinks doesn't matter. It's what the majority of voters think. I don't think this is straws, I think they are bricks.

Or turds, depending on whom you ask. Honestly, most voters probably care more about the issues than they do about guilt by association that your Operation Chaos has sought to keep in the limelight.

I beg to differ. For a large number of people, Obama's appeal is more charismatic than issue driven. He has his base that this will not matter to but those outside the base will pay attention to this. Just watch. Lets have this discussion again in 2 weeks.

Edited April 29, 2008 by GaryC

[Dan J 277]

I was just watching a news conference on TV. He just totally disowned Rev Wright. He looked very nervous. He was stammering, stuttering and every other word was "um". He said that "nothing that Rev Wright said yesterday was constructive". Ok, he did it. He has disowned him. I still have to wonder how someone can sit in a church for 20 years and not understand what the preacher stood for. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

He should have done it a long time ago.

He is in damage control. No doubt about that. With more primaries coming up next week it does not look good for him. You know I have wanted the battle between Hillary and Obama to continue. This is very good news for Hillary. My guess is that Hillary can now catch him in the popular vote and will have a real case to be made about being the most electable. I now give her even odds of getting enough SD's to get the nomination. The dem party will melt down. How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

Wright's comments didn't seem give Hillary much advantage in Penn. That was her state, and she had all the cards, including the Wright controversy working for her. But she only managed a 9 point margin. If you took the Wright controversy out of the picture, she probably would have still won by 8-10 points.

That was before the last 4 days events. Watch what happens next week.

I think those who are most affected by Wrights comments probably won't vote for Obama anyway, with or without Wright.

I think this issue will have more bearing on the GE, but that depends on voter memory, which is relatively short. But I also think that McCain's more controversial religious endorsements might come into play if he tries to make Wright an issue.

Being endorsed by someone is very different than sitting in a church for 20 years. If the dems try a #######-for-tat on this subject they will lose.

Not really, its still by association in both cases. If someone works at a company for 20 years, does that mean they politically agree with their boss?

Does the pastor always define the Church? In most cases its the people who go to it, not the pastor giving the service.

[Fandango 1,440]

Not really, its still by association in both cases. If someone works at a company for 20 years, does that mean they politically agree with their boss?

Does the pastor always define the Church? In most cases its the people who go to it, not the pastor giving the service.

now who's clutching at straws?

comparing voluntarily going to church with needing to align to your employer's personal views are two separate things......

[GaryC 7]

I was just watching a news conference on TV. He just totally disowned Rev Wright. He looked very nervous. He was stammering, stuttering and every other word was "um". He said that "nothing that Rev Wright said yesterday was constructive". Ok, he did it. He has disowned him. I still have to wonder how someone can sit in a church for 20 years and not understand what the preacher stood for. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

He should have done it a long time ago.

He is in damage control. No doubt about that. With more primaries coming up next week it does not look good for him. You know I have wanted the battle between Hillary and Obama to continue. This is very good news for Hillary. My guess is that Hillary can now catch him in the popular vote and will have a real case to be made about being the most electable. I now give her even odds of getting enough SD's to get the nomination. The dem party will melt down. How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

Wright's comments didn't seem give Hillary much advantage in Penn. That was her state, and she had all the cards, including the Wright controversy working for her. But she only managed a 9 point margin. If you took the Wright controversy out of the picture, she probably would have still won by 8-10 points.

That was before the last 4 days events. Watch what happens next week.

I think those who are most affected by Wrights comments probably won't vote for Obama anyway, with or without Wright.

I think this issue will have more bearing on the GE, but that depends on voter memory, which is relatively short. But I also think that McCain's more controversial religious endorsements might come into play if he tries to make Wright an issue.

Being endorsed by someone is very different than sitting in a church for 20 years. If the dems try a #######-for-tat on this subject they will lose.

Not really, its still by association in both cases. If someone works at a company for 20 years, does that mean they politically agree with their boss?

Does the pastor always define the Church? In most cases its the people who go to it, not the pastor giving the service.

Wow! Your trying really hard not to admit that Wright is a major problem for Obama. Face it Dan, Obama has a real problem. One that you cannot transfer to McCain in a like manner. You can try but it will not work.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well like I've stated before. If HC is somehow able to get the default nomination (if the current frontrunner drops out), I will either vote for her or not vote at all in November.

As for the OP- well, it really is a dead horse getting beat. In a way the Pastor has done Obama a favor by cementing the differences between them, to the chagrin of those that want to continue beating that dead horse about.

Yeah right, with your logical mind tell me this- how could he have known Rev Wright for 20 years and not have known his views? It's a real stretch to believe that. If he really didn't share his views then why didn't he leave long ago? Oh no, this just proves that Obama knew what he was like and because Wright made an azz out of himself yesterday he is forced to do damage control. Say by-by to Obama folks.

Could be. Or it could be that the vultures are reaching for straws yet again.

What you or I thinks doesn't matter. It's what the majority of voters think. I don't think this is straws, I think they are bricks.

Or turds, depending on whom you ask. Honestly, most voters probably care more about the issues than they do about guilt by association that your Operation Chaos has sought to keep in the limelight.

I beg to differ. For a large number of people, Obama's appeal is more charismatic than issue driven. He has his base that this will not matter to but those outside the base will pay attention to this. Just watch. Lets have this discussion again in 2 weeks.

OK. Lets. Unless, of course, the smearing campaign can come up with something else to blow up completely out of context thereby ignoring once again the issues most voters care about.

Obama, in the meantime, will continue campaigning on issues with charisma like any other campaigning politician.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How about it Obama fans, if Hillary gets the nomination what will you do?

If she gets it because his failure to address the Wright issue leads to him dropping out of the race, I may vote for her.

If she gets it because the supers overturn his pledged delegate lead, I won't vote for her.

The manner in which she wins will be important (to me).

My sentiments exactly.

[no name 1]

I beg to differ. For a large number of people, Obama's appeal is more charismatic than issue driven. He has his base that this will not matter to but those outside the base will pay attention to this. Just watch. Lets have this discussion again in 2 weeks.

I totally agree.

[Fandango 1,440]

OK. Lets. Unless, of course, the smearing campaign can come up with something else to blow up completely out of context thereby ignoring once again the issues most voters care about.

Obama, in the meantime, will continue campaigning on issues with charisma like any other campaigning politician.

Who are you to say what issues 'most voters' care about?

And who's this 'smearing campaign' you speak of?

[rebeccajo 14]

I think the only voters this issue matters to (muchly) is those who allow race to influence their vote too much anyway.