Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'

[GaryC 7]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Big Yawn, Gary. Big one.

For you maybe. It will make a difference to the undecided in the general.

You mean those that can't think for themselves that 1 +1 does not equal 3.

Lop Al Qaeda into Obama's supporters, too.

Wait and see.

[tom&tata 2]

The reality is that a lot of fanatical Islamic leaders will view Obama, the son of a Muslim, as fulfilling the prophecies of Islam ruling the world again. I am not saying I believe that myself but I think many like Ahmadinejad will see it this way.

Yes, a lot of fanatical will want to believe anything but if the American public is also believing the same very thing that Ahmadinejad & the likes believe in, THAT is scary.

[HAL 9000 96]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Big Yawn, Gary. Big one.

For you maybe. It will make a difference to the undecided in the general.

You mean those that can't think for themselves that 1 +1 does not equal 3.

Lop Al Qaeda into Obama's supporters, too.

Wait and see.

[GaryC 7]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Big Yawn, Gary. Big one.

For you maybe. It will make a difference to the undecided in the general.

You mean those that can't think for themselves that 1 +1 does not equal 3.

Lop Al Qaeda into Obama's supporters, too.

Wait and see.

Back at you.

[HAL 9000 96]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

[GaryC 7]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

I was commenting on the 1+1=3 comment. I doubt if anyone will link Obama with AQ. A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics. Hence Obama's appeal. They like him for purely charismatic reasons. When something comes along to tarnish that appeal like Wright it affects him. All you need to do is look at the polls taken before and after the Wright thing.

[kaydee457 13]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

I was commenting on the 1+1=3 comment. I doubt if anyone will link Obama with AQ. A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics. Hence Obama's appeal. They like him for purely charismatic reasons. When something comes along to tarnish that appeal like Wright it affects him. All you need to do is look at the polls taken before and after the Wright thing.

Yep, his appeal's always been superficial.......

[HAL 9000 96]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

I was commenting on the 1+1=3 comment. I doubt if anyone will link Obama with AQ. A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics. Hence Obama's appeal. They like him for purely charismatic reasons. When something comes along to tarnish that appeal like Wright it affects him. All you need to do is look at the polls taken before and after the Wright thing.

And other people try using arguments that bear no relevance to destroy their opposition, like linking LF to Obama in the OP.

All you need to do is put it into context, but you know you already did that of what you want to accomplish.

Not everyone is as gullible as those 1+1=3s.

[LaL 418]

A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics.

Many use their hearts, and what resounds to them personally... just like many of those who reelected Bush.

Edited April 29, 2008 by LaL

[Heracles 417]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

I was commenting on the 1+1=3 comment. I doubt if anyone will link Obama with AQ. A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics. Hence Obama's appeal. They like him for purely charismatic reasons. When something comes along to tarnish that appeal like Wright it affects him. All you need to do is look at the polls taken before and after the Wright thing.

Exactly!!

Whereas BUSH is an idiot because he is not as well spoken as a lawyer.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Oh please. Let us try and not forget too fast what really happened. Let us not forget that in preparation for his run in 2008, McCain went and mended fences with the late Rev. Falwell back in 2006. He did so after calling him an agent of division and worse in 2000 and prior. And believe me, Falwell didn't change for the better and mysteriously morphed into some unifying figure over those 6 years. No sir. McCain needed that Republican base and pandered to it by cozying up to Falwell and Hagee and any other spiritual figure that he felt would boost his odds in 2008. I'm not even criticizing him for it - it's what politicians do. It's how they get elected. What I am criticizing is the double standard here.

Again, all that's happening here is the slaughter of a pastor that has preached and ministered and accomplished a lot over the course of decades. Has he said things that one can be uncomfortable with? Sure. Who hasn't? But to butcher this guy based on nothing but two or three short and out-of-context snippets that those seeking to derail Obama's campaign have pushed onto the public is disgusting. More disgusting than anything the man has ever said.

[kaydee457 13]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Oh please. Let us try and not forget too fast what really happened. Let us not forget that in preparation for his run in 2008, McCain went and mended fences with the late Rev. Falwell back in 2006. He did so after calling him an agent of division and worse in 2000 and prior. And believe me, Falwell didn't change for the better and mysteriously morphed into some unifying figure over those 6 years. No sir. McCain needed that Republican base and pandered to it by cozying up to Falwell and Hagee and any other spiritual figure that he felt would boost his odds in 2008. I'm not even criticizing him for it - it's what politicians do. It's how they get elected. What I am criticizing is the double standard here.

Again, all that's happening here is the slaughter of a pastor that has preached and ministered and accomplished a lot over the course of decades. Has he said things that one can be uncomfortable with? Sure. Who hasn't? But to butcher this guy based on nothing but two or three short and out-of-context snippets that those seeking to derail Obama's campaign have pushed onto the public is disgusting. More disgusting than anything the man has ever said.

Huh? Are we talking about Wright here? As far as I can tell he's a racist and he's pissed because he's been found out!

There's no acceptable "context" for the crazy remarks he made......please demonstrate and provide any of his remarks in context.......

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So?

Ask Steven.

Better yet, ask why its pitiful to try once again the guilt by association ploy.

There is a difference between "association" and "alignment". Obama has aligned himself with Wright by virtue of his 20 years of attendance in his church. McCain isn't even associated with the fundies other than one of them endorsing him.

Oh please. Let us try and not forget too fast what really happened. Let us not forget that in preparation for his run in 2008, McCain went and mended fences with the late Rev. Falwell back in 2006. He did so after calling him an agent of division and worse in 2000 and prior. And believe me, Falwell didn't change for the better and mysteriously morphed into some unifying figure over those 6 years. No sir. McCain needed that Republican base and pandered to it by cozying up to Falwell and Hagee and any other spiritual figure that he felt would boost his odds in 2008. I'm not even criticizing him for it - it's what politicians do. It's how they get elected. What I am criticizing is the double standard here.

Again, all that's happening here is the slaughter of a pastor that has preached and ministered and accomplished a lot over the course of decades. Has he said things that one can be uncomfortable with? Sure. Who hasn't? But to butcher this guy based on nothing but two or three short and out-of-context snippets that those seeking to derail Obama's campaign have pushed onto the public is disgusting. More disgusting than anything the man has ever said.

Huh? Are we talking about Wright here? As far as I can tell he's a racist and he's pissed because he's been found out!

There's no acceptable "context" for the crazy remarks he made......please demonstrate and provide any of his remarks in context.......

Alright, then. Let's look at God damn America, for a second.

REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT (SERMON TAPE):

Where governments lie, God does not lie.

Where governments change, God does not change.

And I'm through now. But let me leave you with one more thing.

Governments fail.

The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontius Pilate - the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from East to West. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonized Kenya, Ghana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British government failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!

BILL MOYERS: What did you mean when you said that?

REVEREND WRIGHT: When you start confusing God and government, your allegiances to government -a particular government and not to God, that you're in serious trouble because governments fail people. And governments change. And governments lie. And those three points of the sermon. And that is the context in which I was illustrating how the governments biblically and the governments since biblical times, up to our time, changed, how they failed, and how they lie. And when we start talking about my government right or wrong, I don't think that goes. That is consistent with what the will of God says or the word of God says that governments don't say right or wrong. That governments that wanna kill innocents are not consistent with the will of God. And that you are made in the image of God, you're not made in the image of any particular government. We have the freedom here in this country to talk about that publicly, whereas some other places, you're dead if say the wrong thing about your government.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Brother Gary.

Lets look for those AQ contributions to Obama's Campaign. Kenyan photos of Obama in cultural garb need not apply.

I was commenting on the 1+1=3 comment. I doubt if anyone will link Obama with AQ. A large number of people don't use logic when it comes to politics. Hence Obama's appeal. They like him for purely charismatic reasons. When something comes along to tarnish that appeal like Wright it affects him. All you need to do is look at the polls taken before and after the Wright thing.

Exactly!!

Whereas BUSH is an idiot because he is not as well spoken as a lawyer.

Well... not just for that - but you do have to admit that a good statesman requires some degree of public speaking ability, and to actually have a grasp on the issues when they appear in public debates. This guy couldn't do that - he mumbled, his concentration wandered, he couldn't answer questions and he got visibly flustered.

[kaydee457 13]

The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no. Not God bless America; God damn America! That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!

This is a total fabrication. That's why he's being chastised. There's no other way of characterizing, or interpreting this craziness other than un-American and racist against whites.

I can't imagine the damage this kind of rhetoric does to small black children having been "conditioned" to believe that their government is trying to drug them and kill them, over a period of a few years! His rhetoric furthers the culture of 'Black victimization" that most learned blacks agree doesn't exist anymore.

The problem with him at this moment is that he's on the offensive instead of just apologizing for these comments. He gets carried away, understandable.....but he's been over the top too many times.

I saw him on TV yesterday at a Journalists Symposium of some sort giving a Q&A with reporters trying to explain away these comments.

I think I remember him saying that this has been taken out of context because he's not talking about the American people, but rather he's talking about the government We are a people of the government, and we are one in the same......

Why does this matter? Whomever Obama has aligned himself with over the years speaks to his credibility and judgment. This isn't a casual acquaintance, it's his "spiritual mentor"......