Rev. Wright: If you're elected, Obama, I'M COMING AFTER YOU...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

[no name 1]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection from one who LECTURED ME ON RACISM once. That mirror is right there, look in it.

Wright was also asked about his relationship with Nation of Islam founder Louis Farrakhan, whom Wright described as merely haven once said that Zionism -- not Judaism -- was a poisonous weed. (Farrakhan has far more than that one comment in his collection of anti-Semitic statements.

Farrakhan, Wright said, is "one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century," noting the Million Man March. "When Louis Farrakhan speaks, it's like when E.F. Hutton speaks...Black America listens."

Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy," Wright said, since Farrakhan had not enslaved Africans and brought them in chains to the U.S.

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and:

It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.

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Waiting for your (non-elitist) reply Steven.

Edited April 29, 2008 by illumine

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection.

Not at all. You want to discuss associations with Farrakhan, then lets discuss associations with him. So let us talk about Ed Rendell and his role in Hillary's campaign vis-vis his apparent admiration for Farrakhan. Let's also talk about Bill endorsing Farrakhan's Million Man March in 2005 as well as that of 1995. Has Hillary denounced Bill yet for that? I ain't falling for your silly little snippets. Set any damn standard you want but then try and apply it equally.

ETA: Just to show you how wrong you are:

On Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton re-stoked the flames of the controversy surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, saying she would have long ago distanced herself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright if she had attended his church.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton told a gathering of the campaign press corps, repeating a line she used earlier in the day on a Pittsburgh radio program. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

However, Foundry was cited on numerous occasions as a steady presence during the first couple's time in the White House. And in January 2001, Bill Clinton gave a farewell speech to the congregation, thanking the church for its work in the city as well as for its "courage" to welcome gay and lesbian Christians.

Snyder, according to the church's website, became senior minister in 2002. "Before his appointment to Foundry, he served as director of communications for the Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church. His writings on theology, Biblical interpretation, and Christian mission have appeared in dozens of publications."

And in a recent New York Times article, even he acknowledged that some in his congregation were aghast at Wright's remarks.

"During staff meetings this week at his church," the Times reported, "Snyder said he noticed the rising awareness among some African-Americans of white Americans, he said, 'who don't understand the history of black people in this country and the role of the black church as a prophetic voice, and that in church you can say things that you couldn't in larger society.'"

Link

ETA again, the pastor quoted above is white. He just isn't blinded by hate and prejudice as some here seem to be.

Edited April 29, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[no name 1]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection.

Not at all. You want to discuss associations with Farrakhan, then lets discuss associations with him. So let us talk about Ed Rendell and his role in Hillary's campaign vis-vis his apparent admiration for Farrakhan. Let's also talk about Bill endorsing Farrakhan's Million Man March in 2005 as well as that of 1995. Has Hillary denounced Bill yet for that? I ain't falling for your silly little snippets. Set any damn standard you want but then try and apply it equally.

ETA: Just to show you how wrong you are:

On Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton re-stoked the flames of the controversy surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, saying she would have long ago distanced herself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright if she had attended his church.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton told a gathering of the campaign press corps, repeating a line she used earlier in the day on a Pittsburgh radio program. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

However, Foundry was cited on numerous occasions as a steady presence during the first couple's time in the White House. And in January 2001, Bill Clinton gave a farewell speech to the congregation, thanking the church for its work in the city as well as for its "courage" to welcome gay and lesbian Christians.

Snyder, according to the church's website, became senior minister in 2002. "Before his appointment to Foundry, he served as director of communications for the Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church. His writings on theology, Biblical interpretation, and Christian mission have appeared in dozens of publications."

And in a recent New York Times article, even he acknowledged that some in his congregation were aghast at Wright's remarks.

"During staff meetings this week at his church," the Times reported, "Snyder said he noticed the rising awareness among some African-Americans of white Americans, he said, 'who don't understand the history of black people in this country and the role of the black church as a prophetic voice, and that in church you can say things that you couldn't in larger society.'"

Link

ETA again, the pastor quoted above is white. He just isn't blinded by hate and prejudice as some here seem to be.

You quoted one pastor WHO WASN'T EVEN HC's PASTOR yet feels he can comment on that.

Edited April 29, 2008 by illumine

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection.

Not at all. You want to discuss associations with Farrakhan, then lets discuss associations with him. So let us talk about Ed Rendell and his role in Hillary's campaign vis-vis his apparent admiration for Farrakhan. Let's also talk about Bill endorsing Farrakhan's Million Man March in 2005 as well as that of 1995. Has Hillary denounced Bill yet for that? I ain't falling for your silly little snippets. Set any damn standard you want but then try and apply it equally.

ETA: Just to show you how wrong you are:

On Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton re-stoked the flames of the controversy surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, saying she would have long ago distanced herself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright if she had attended his church.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton told a gathering of the campaign press corps, repeating a line she used earlier in the day on a Pittsburgh radio program. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

However, Foundry was cited on numerous occasions as a steady presence during the first couple's time in the White House. And in January 2001, Bill Clinton gave a farewell speech to the congregation, thanking the church for its work in the city as well as for its "courage" to welcome gay and lesbian Christians.

Snyder, according to the church's website, became senior minister in 2002. "Before his appointment to Foundry, he served as director of communications for the Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church. His writings on theology, Biblical interpretation, and Christian mission have appeared in dozens of publications."

And in a recent New York Times article, even he acknowledged that some in his congregation were aghast at Wright's remarks.

"During staff meetings this week at his church," the Times reported, "Snyder said he noticed the rising awareness among some African-Americans of white Americans, he said, 'who don't understand the history of black people in this country and the role of the black church as a prophetic voice, and that in church you can say things that you couldn't in larger society.'"

Link

ETA again, the pastor quoted above is white. He just isn't blinded by hate and prejudice as some here seem to be.

You quoted one pastor.

Yes, one pastor. One pastor of the very church Bill and Hillary Clinton chose to attend while Bill was President. Seems to be important according to Hillary as she wouldn't attend a church where she disagreed with the pastor. Either way, I would submit that the good pastor knows Wright better than you or I and so I think his opinion matters. I also think that he approaches the issue in a wise, balanced and Christian way unlike some who are busy professing their spirituality and religion on the campaign trail to pander to certain constituencies without living it for even a split second.

Edited April 29, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[no name 1]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection.

Not at all. You want to discuss associations with Farrakhan, then lets discuss associations with him. So let us talk about Ed Rendell and his role in Hillary's campaign vis-vis his apparent admiration for Farrakhan. Let's also talk about Bill endorsing Farrakhan's Million Man March in 2005 as well as that of 1995. Has Hillary denounced Bill yet for that? I ain't falling for your silly little snippets. Set any damn standard you want but then try and apply it equally.

ETA: Just to show you how wrong you are:

On Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton re-stoked the flames of the controversy surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, saying she would have long ago distanced herself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright if she had attended his church.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton told a gathering of the campaign press corps, repeating a line she used earlier in the day on a Pittsburgh radio program. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

However, Foundry was cited on numerous occasions as a steady presence during the first couple's time in the White House. And in January 2001, Bill Clinton gave a farewell speech to the congregation, thanking the church for its work in the city as well as for its "courage" to welcome gay and lesbian Christians.

Snyder, according to the church's website, became senior minister in 2002. "Before his appointment to Foundry, he served as director of communications for the Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church. His writings on theology, Biblical interpretation, and Christian mission have appeared in dozens of publications."

And in a recent New York Times article, even he acknowledged that some in his congregation were aghast at Wright's remarks.

"During staff meetings this week at his church," the Times reported, "Snyder said he noticed the rising awareness among some African-Americans of white Americans, he said, 'who don't understand the history of black people in this country and the role of the black church as a prophetic voice, and that in church you can say things that you couldn't in larger society.'"

Link

ETA again, the pastor quoted above is white. He just isn't blinded by hate and prejudice as some here seem to be.

You quoted one pastor.

One pastor of the very church Bill and Hillary Clinton attended while Bill was President. Either way, I would submit that the good pastor knows Wright better than you or I and so I think his opinion matters. I also think that he approaches the issue in a wise, balanced and Christian way unlike some who are busy professing their spirituality and religion on the campaign trail to pander to certain constituencies without living it for even a split second.

Yet he WAS NEVER HER PASTOR - see highlighted text. It's not rocket science....

[Sheriff Uling 3]

God bless America. God Damn Wright.

That should be a new tee-shirt... It would sell...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're defending a guy who is hand in hand with Louis Farrakhan.

I have not defended Ed Rendell. I am actually still waiting for Hillary to denounce him.

Nice deflection.

Not at all. You want to discuss associations with Farrakhan, then lets discuss associations with him. So let us talk about Ed Rendell and his role in Hillary's campaign vis-vis his apparent admiration for Farrakhan. Let's also talk about Bill endorsing Farrakhan's Million Man March in 2005 as well as that of 1995. Has Hillary denounced Bill yet for that? I ain't falling for your silly little snippets. Set any damn standard you want but then try and apply it equally.

ETA: Just to show you how wrong you are:

On Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton re-stoked the flames of the controversy surrounding Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, saying she would have long ago distanced herself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright if she had attended his church.

"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton told a gathering of the campaign press corps, repeating a line she used earlier in the day on a Pittsburgh radio program. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

However, Foundry was cited on numerous occasions as a steady presence during the first couple's time in the White House. And in January 2001, Bill Clinton gave a farewell speech to the congregation, thanking the church for its work in the city as well as for its "courage" to welcome gay and lesbian Christians.

Snyder, according to the church's website, became senior minister in 2002. "Before his appointment to Foundry, he served as director of communications for the Baltimore-Washington Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church. His writings on theology, Biblical interpretation, and Christian mission have appeared in dozens of publications."

And in a recent New York Times article, even he acknowledged that some in his congregation were aghast at Wright's remarks.

"During staff meetings this week at his church," the Times reported, "Snyder said he noticed the rising awareness among some African-Americans of white Americans, he said, 'who don't understand the history of black people in this country and the role of the black church as a prophetic voice, and that in church you can say things that you couldn't in larger society.'"

Link

ETA again, the pastor quoted above is white. He just isn't blinded by hate and prejudice as some here seem to be.

You quoted one pastor.

One pastor of the very church Bill and Hillary Clinton attended while Bill was President. Either way, I would submit that the good pastor knows Wright better than you or I and so I think his opinion matters. I also think that he approaches the issue in a wise, balanced and Christian way unlike some who are busy professing their spirituality and religion on the campaign trail to pander to certain constituencies without living it for even a split second.

Yet he WAS NEVER HER PASTOR - see highlighted text. It's not rocket science....

I am aware of that. So are you suggesting that the church somehow changed course dramatically since the Clinton's departed the White House? If not, then what exactly is your point? The fact of the matter is that Hillary is shamelessly exploiting what in all actuality is a non-issue for nothing but her own personal gain. How very Christian of her. She should be ashamed of herself for stooping this low. Just how desperate can a loser get?

ETA: You're not half as funny as you think you are.

Edited April 29, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[HAL 9000 96]

Why is it so hard to get consistency these days? This is a classic case of guilt by association using the same diverted logic used ad nauseam.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Why is it so hard to get consistency these days? This is a classic case of guilt by association using the same diverted logic used ad nauseam.

Kinda like the catholic church huh! Libs love to lump ppl all together when it suits them. Bush= haliburton. Catholics and child molestation.

When it comes to your own, you put blinders on and forget what was said in the past. So so fckin desperate for a win Its all backfirin on some of you and is quite funny to watch.

[dalegg 143]

I know this has probably been said before, but as much as I completely disagree with Obama's politics, there is a big part of me that actually hopes he gets elected so the message of these hot heads can be squashed once and for all.

To me, as excited as people are about Obama and as much as they want something totally different than what we have, it would be a shame if they turned away from that simply because of the man's skin color, and I say this as someone who absolutely will not vote for him because of his politics. And yes, there are people who will vote for him just because of his skin color, but we are still at a place in our country where an even greater number of people will vote against him because of it.

McCain as it turns out on paper actually looks like the perfect Republican for me, but if Obama gets elected, I'm not going to be upset. I don't believe the country can go to hell in just 4 years. We got out of Carter so we can get through anything. But if this country votes in its first African American president, I have to say I will actually be proud or us, and the likes of Sharpton, Farakaan, and Reverand Wright will be muted forever.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I know this has probably been said before, but as much as I completely disagree with Obama's politics, there is a big part of me that actually hopes he gets elected so the message of these hot heads can be squashed once and for all.

To me, as excited as people are about Obama and as much as they want something totally different than what we have, it would be a shame if they turned away from that simply because of the man's skin color, and I say this as someone who absolutely will not vote for him because of his politics. And yes, there are people who will vote for him just because of his skin color, but we are still at a place in our country where an even greater number of people will vote against him because of it.

McCain as it turns out on paper actually looks like the perfect Republican for me, but if Obama gets elected, I'm not going to be upset. I don't believe the country can go to hell in just 4 years. We got out of Carter so we can get through anything. But if this country votes in its first African American president, I have to say I will actually be proud or us, and the likes of Sharpton, Farakaan, and Reverand Wright will be muted forever.

Interesting view and pragmatic. Very commendable.

[Ban Hammer 13,098]

God bless America. God Damn Wright. whites

fixxored to the reverend wright version

[Fandango 1,439]

No, God Bless JW for all his good work during this election Its time for people to stop drinkin the kool aid.

[GaryC 7]

No, God Bless JW for all his good work during this election Its time for people to stop drinkin the kool aid.

The bloom is off the Obama flower that is for sure.