Machine-Gun-Toting Officers To Patrol NYC Subway

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Starting Thursday, special bomb teams - "Torch Teams" - will be toting submachine guns and bringing bomb-sniffing dogs onto the platforms and into the trains.

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The city's massive subway system has long been considered a potential terror target; six officers and a dog will constitute a team, patrolling all platforms and trains in 12-hour shifts. The "Torch Teams" will be toting MP5 submachine guns that are used by Navy seals and FBI hostage-rescue teams.

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Similarly equipped NYPD units, known as "Hercules Teams," have patrolled Wall Street, the Empire State building and other aboveground city landmarks for years as a response to the World Trade Center attacks.

http://wcbstv.com/local/machine.guns.subway.2.707398.html

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can never be too careful when dealing with a runaway tube mare.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I wonder how effective an MP5 would be in a crowded subway?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't know. Perhaps one of our resident firearms experts can chime in.

[*JG* 2]

My husband is from Jamaica. Seeing machine gun toting men walking all over the place is of no surprise to me.

[almaty 19]

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Cartridge 9x19mm Parabellum

10 mm Auto (MP5/10)

.40 S&W (MP5/40)

Action Roller-delayed blowback, closed bolt

Rate of fire 800 rounds/min (MP5A2, MP5A4, MP5A3, MP5A5, MP5SD1, MP5SD4, MP5SD2, MP5SD5, MP5SD3, MP5SD6)

900 rounds/min (MP5K, MP5KA1, MP5KA4, MP5KA5, MP5K-PDW)

Muzzle velocity 400 m/s (1,312 ft/s) (MP5A2, MP5A4, MP5A3, MP5A5)

375 m/s (1,230.3 ft/s) (MP5K, MP5KA1, MP5KA4, MP5KA5, MP5K-PDW)

285 m/s (935.0 ft/s) (MP5SD1, MP5SD4, MP5SD2, MP5SD5, MP5SD3, MP5SD6)

425 m/s (1,394.4 ft/s) (MP5/10)

315 m/s (1,033.5 ft/s) (MP5/40)

Effective range 25 to 100 m sight adjustments

Feed system 15 or 30-round detachable box magazine

Sights Rear: rotary drum; front: hooded post

It is a crowd pleaser

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

MP5s!? Pshaw...

Flamethrowers...

[almaty 19]

[Peikko 1,575]

I wonder if these outward shows of strength have the opposite effect than intended? I mean, what a coup to pull off a terrorist attack in the face of these security measures? It's not like anyone really believes that they can be in all places at all times - or do they?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

PH - it sounds like being everywhere all the time is their intention....

six officers and a dog will constitute a team, patrolling all platforms and trains in 12-hour shifts.

Edited April 24, 2008 by VJ Troll

[Peikko 1,575]

That's kinda what I meant, although I think I might have worded it badly. I just meant to advertise this kind of 'super security' is as likely to have negative results as positive. At least in my opinion.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Who knows. Airports have more security than what's being proposed here and I'm not aware of any negative consequences (besides passengers hating it).

[Kevin and 10]

I wonder how effective an MP5 would be in a crowded subway?

LEO like the MP5 because of the low recoil. So being able to stay on target is easier, less likely to hit someone in the crowd.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm ashamed to say...

I know what movie that's from.

[mawilson 2,133]

That's kinda what I meant, although I think I might have worded it badly. I just meant to advertise this kind of 'super security' is as likely to have negative results as positive. At least in my opinion.

I think it's stupid and a waste of our money.

If a terrorist walks into a subway station and sees machine-gun-toting cops, what's he

going to do? He'll just walk to the next station.