Do second marriages in Egypt have "prenuptual" agreements?

[doodlebugg 10]

Well the "dress story" That's a pretty good story

Come on, as western as he might be, you KNOW he freaked out about that dress! LOL But we had that fight a few days before the wedding. What happened was I completely forgot about a dress until the night before I was leaving for Tunisia. There was nothing in my closet to wear that was appropriate and I had no clue what I was going to do. So around midnight I run to Super Walmart- Yeah I know not exactly wedding dress central, but what was I going to do, everything was closed? As I'm walking out of the store thinking to myself ' great now I am going to be stuck trying to find something to wear in Tunisia and I'm neither a short or a small girl (which Tunisian girls seem to be) this is going to be HELL" But as I was walking out of the store I saw that dress and it was my size - I tried it on and it didn't look so bad - well for a Walmart dress

I thought it was a little low, but it would have to do and off I went.

Flash forward. It's about three days before our wedding and Jihed's sister asks me if I brought a dress. I told her that I had and she asked to see it. So she and I go off into in her room and I try the dress on. I turn around and his sister is like OMG it's so beautiful and I absolutely love it! Blue is your color Ash!

Please keep in mind that Tunisian wedding dresses are very low cut, sleeveless, very tight - I'm going to try to find some photos, but basically everything is left hanging out and they paint hena and harkous everywhere also - all over the breasts and such, which is visible during the wedding. I've attended a few Tunisian weddings.

Anywoo - So I'm standing in his sister's room with the dress on, laughing and giggling and being girls.. and I hear the door open, I turn around and Jihed is standing there and he just looks at me, looks as his sister, looks at me again - up and down - says very calmly, "No" and turns, closes the door and walks out.

I went hehe - I knew exactly what that "no" was about lol The dress was an absolute, no, nyet, laa, non, not gonna happen in this lifetime.

But what was I to do? I had nothing else to wear - and I had to admit from everyone's view and my own it looked really good - but it was a lost cause and I figured $30 at Walmart, not the biggest expense in the world. I quickly changed my clothes and put the dress back in the suit case. But his sister she is the one that caught me off guard - Her face got RED - She left the room and two minutes later I hear yelling, but it's not his sister, it's his father - yelling at him!!

"What are you doing to that girl? Have you seen what Tunisian women wear to get married in? Who do you think you are? We didn't raise you to act that way! " and then I heard back from Jihed,

" I don't care what Tunisian women wear, those women are not my wife, she is my wife and that's not okay for me! " And this went on and on until finally Jihed storms out of the house and his Dad comes in the room, opens my bag, takes out the dress and says - you will wear this ya benti it is beautiful and nice. Awwhh And then in walks Jihed's sister all smiles (LOL like she finally beat him hahahah )

Not long after he came back home and had cooled off, told me he was sorry, told me that he actually did love the dress but just didn't like the thought of another man seeing my chest like that and my arms - So we met in the middle - I had nothing else to wear, but I did have a small sweater that I wore over it - I kept it closed most of the time, but for pictures his mother insisted I open it - You can't see the harkous on my chest so well there, but his Mom spent a lot of time painting it and wanted everyone to see - hehe But that was the wedding dress FIASCO!

But you are right, Tunisia is very westernized (The French influence) and his family especially is very open minded. I love them

Cool wedding video, can't wait to see more. Love your dress

That was fun to watch. Our wedding was very different, but I was so freaking nervous that I kept eyeing the door thinking of making a fast getaway...lol

I was amazed that your husband didn't freak about your dress, he must be very westernized. Mine freaked over a tank top when it was 90 degree weather, but I still wore it. I sure was sure giggling about your husbands roaming eyes. Normal man!

I LOVE reading your stories!!! Makes me feel like I'm right there!!!

[chaishai 1]

My sister in law is definitely a master of this art as well. Hers is very...well...LOUD.

is this the louloulouing?! i am proud to say that *i* am a master of it!!! my MIL makes me do it all of the time for occasions bc she thinks i do it the best!!! i can also wiggle my ears and close one eye all of the way shut while keeping the other wide open LOL

[Nasturtium 500]

My sister in law is definitely a master of this art as well. Hers is very...well...LOUD.

is this the louloulouing?! i am proud to say that *i* am a master of it!!! my MIL makes me do it all of the time for occasions bc she thinks i do it the best!!! i can also wiggle my ears and close one eye all of the way shut while keeping the other wide open LOL

The TALENT! I can touch my feet to my face over my head, but that's about it for my talent-- bending backwards lol.

[ya falaha! 0]

LOL yes..the louloulouing (ululating). I'm jealous. I can never do it right.

I can't wiggle my ears but I can do the eye thing AND curl my tongue.

My sister in law is definitely a master of this art as well. Hers is very...well...LOUD.

is this the louloulouing?! i am proud to say that *i* am a master of it!!! my MIL makes me do it all of the time for occasions bc she thinks i do it the best!!! i can also wiggle my ears and close one eye all of the way shut while keeping the other wide open LOL

[Nasturtium 500]

LOL yes..the louloulouing (ululating). I'm jealous. I can never do it right.

I can't wiggle my ears but I can do the eye thing AND curl my tongue.

Oh yeah! i can curl my tongue! Ammar says I have the longest tongue he has ever seen. I think it freaks him out lol. I can do the loulouing but I don't do it *right*. I make the exact same sound, but I cannot move my tongue back and forth/side to side like the Jordanians who did it for me did.

[morocco4ever 63]

Talents, well mine is rolling my tongue on not just one side, but both....try it and see if you can do it both ways.

I can also fold it back like a pita bread. I haven't run across anyone that can do that one yet. My tongue is indeed unique.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Talents, well mine is rolling my tongue on not just one side, but both....try it and see if you can do it both ways.

I can also fold it back like a pita bread. I haven't run across anyone that can do that one yet. My tongue is indeed unique.

[Ahmed & Sue 0]

Up until now I hadn't heard of this. screaming.......lol. Now this is something I would like to witness in person up close. I think the first time I would probably be taken aback, and after that I would join right in.

On the ban of hajib in the government buildings, I have a thought on that. I am wondering if maybe this is due to security reasons. When we went to Egypt, some women were fully covered head to foot, with only their eyes showing ( and barely this). I mean EVERYTHING was covered. Most covered everything but their face. To me, this could pose a security threat. Honestly, how could you tell who you were letting into the building without seeing a face? I know it sounds restrictive, but I can see their point.

And I am conservative in my dress, but I do like shorts and short sleeves. I will say, we will probably go through the closet ritual as well, and that I am ok with. I guess it all just depends what we are willing to accept.

Hey, the screaming, is that because of the wedding, or do they just do it to be doing something? If it is something they just do to be doing, I am surprised the younger generation here has not caught onto it yet. Maybe I can make some brownie points with my teenager.......lol. Can you see them all in a group trying to immitate that? It already has be laughing.

Thanks,

Sue

[sandinista! 1,816]

your wondering is completely off base. it's nothing to do with security whatsoever. fully covered women enter government buildings all over mena, and even the us, without security issues every day. the us, britain, ksa etc. all allow women to wear headcoverings in passport photos without citing security issues. it's state sanctioned religious intolerance in tunisia, and it's not a marker of a truly free society.

[Nasturtium 500]

Being covered isn't really a security issue. You can still go through metal detectors and have searches by female guards, etc and even have them lift the veils in private for another female. In Jordan they have competely curtained-off boxes (with a roof, it's REAAALY private, you could strip and no one would ever know) where a female guard or two (who sleeps in there sometimes I figured out by chance, shame, shame) takes you after you pass through the general metal detection and they pat you down, put a wand across you, and if they want to, they can have you remove your hijab/hair covering/niqab/etc. The female guard herself is very often muslim, generally satisfying even some of the strictest reservations that could occur from the woman or her family.

I agree that it's political oppression of religion. This is the same as the ban of veiling in Turkey at universities, etc (wasn't that recently repealed?). I would think it's meant to keep out the relgious from government settings, and likely in the logic prevent an extremist from getting to work/visit there... or promote a more "westernized" image, but that is just conjecture on my part. I remember some arguments for it in Turkey citing westernization and MODERNIZATION as being a couple of driving factors, although very likely that was not the whole picture (also my opinion).

[Tunisia216 2]

It's a way to celebrate, show happiness, and yeah to make noise heheheh I heard mabrook so many times, the zaghareet was a nice alternative hehehe

And I agree with you regarding hijab, government buildings, possible security issues.... But as you said, for me it's the degree of the 'hijab' - i.e. burka etc that could be a possible issue.

This article was pretty good : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

Tunisia Tunisian authorities say they are encouraging women, instead, to "wear modest dress in line with Tunisian traditions" i.e. no headscarf.[18]

Up until now I hadn't heard of this. screaming.......lol. Now this is something I would like to witness in person up close. I think the first time I would probably be taken aback, and after that I would join right in.

On the ban of hajib in the government buildings, I have a thought on that. I am wondering if maybe this is due to security reasons. When we went to Egypt, some women were fully covered head to foot, with only their eyes showing ( and barely this). I mean EVERYTHING was covered. Most covered everything but their face. To me, this could pose a security threat. Honestly, how could you tell who you were letting into the building without seeing a face? I know it sounds restrictive, but I can see their point.

And I am conservative in my dress, but I do like shorts and short sleeves. I will say, we will probably go through the closet ritual as well, and that I am ok with. I guess it all just depends what we are willing to accept.

Hey, the screaming, is that because of the wedding, or do they just do it to be doing something? If it is something they just do to be doing, I am surprised the younger generation here has not caught onto it yet. Maybe I can make some brownie points with my teenager.......lol. Can you see them all in a group trying to immitate that? It already has be laughing.

Thanks,

Sue

[Nasturtium 500]

Talents, well mine is rolling my tongue on not just one side, but both....try it and see if you can do it both ways.

I can also fold it back like a pita bread. I haven't run across anyone that can do that one yet. My tongue is indeed unique.

I can fold my tongue, but you're right and I had never considered it before-- I can only flip it right to left, not left to right.

[Tunisia216 2]

Are we all sitting at our computers playing with our tongues? LOL Okay for those of us at home, but for us who are working, we probably look REAL funny right now

:P

[Nasturtium 500]

This article was pretty good : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

Tunisia Tunisian authorities say they are encouraging women, instead, to "wear modest dress in line with Tunisian traditions" i.e. no headscarf.[18]

(I know this is from Wiki not your personal opinion)

i cannot believe Tunisia doesn't have a history of pre-Islamic head-covering. Whether it be rich and having your head shaved and slapping on a wig or just barely draping a piece of material over the top of your head, everywehere else in that area of the word has a history of covering heads for both men and women as a practical measure against sun and heat from the sun. Modern head covering as associated with "hijab" with the whole covering the neck, etc wasn't the historical norm at all... and is MUCH hotter than going without based on my experience... but... if you slap a piece of cloth on your head and anchor it in the traditional Beduin or like kind of way it works like a hat-- shades you and does keep some of the sun off and is still open and allows for air movement. Tunisia itself is a modern invention of a country, and i cannot believe that the ancient people would predict and thus not cover based on the future political boundries of a country which did not even exist. A lot of people view head covering strictly as a modesty issue, but really it was also a functional issue.

[Tunisia216 2]

There is an thing there, like what you are talking about which some older women do wear in Tunisia. It's white and a lot of times they hold it closed in their teeth - It's called sifsari ... I've seen it be more common in the rural areas...

Here's a picture :

This article was pretty good : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

Tunisia Tunisian authorities say they are encouraging women, instead, to "wear modest dress in line with Tunisian traditions" i.e. no headscarf.[18]

(I know this is from Wiki not your personal opinion)

i cannot believe Tunisia doesn't have a history of pre-Islamic head-covering. Whether it be rich and having your head shaved and slapping on a wig or just barely draping a piece of material over the top of your head, everywehere else in that area of the word has a history of covering heads for both men and women as a practical measure against sun and heat from the sun. Modern head covering as associated with "hijab" with the whole covering the neck, etc wasn't the historical norm at all... and is MUCH hotter than going without based on my experience... but... if you slap a piece of cloth on your head and anchor it in the traditional Beduin or like kind of way it works like a hat-- shades you and does keep some of the sun off and is still open and allows for air movement. Tunisia itself is a modern invention of a country, and i cannot believe that the ancient people would predict and thus not cover based on the future political boundries of a country which did not even exist. A lot of people view head covering strictly as a modesty issue, but really it was also a functional issue.