marriage between muslim women and non muslim men . HALAL or Haram

[ya falaha! 0]

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So do you or do you not have a girlfriend, oh devout one?

again

yes muslims dont believe about : BOYFRIEND / GIRLFRIEND

but i did not say they dont believe in SEX.RELATIONSHIPS.LOVE AND OTHER THINGS..

[amal 4]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

exactly what my point has been. Everybody has a different interpretation of the word love and Shehada doesn't say the word "love" exactly so therefore it is not mandatory to "love" the prophet. just to believe in him and that god chose him as someone to bring his wonderful message.

[Peikko 1,575]

Living by sets of rules one doesn't understand and only partially agree with seems to be a root cause of a lot of these disagreements but that's just an observation from the outside.

I would have thought the most spiritual course would be to take care of one's own house, make sure it is in order and be happy in it, and really not worry about what is going on in the houses all around - so long as those in the other houses don't come in and re-arrange all your furniture of course

[SaadBell 0]

[aisha kandisha 0]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

exactly what my point has been. Everybody has a different interpretation of the word love and Shehada doesn't say the word "love" exactly so therefore it is not mandatory to "love" the prophet. just to believe in him and that god chose him as someone to bring his wonderful message.

If it is not too personal of a question, why don't you love him? What I am trying to understand, I guess, is this barrier some people have expressed between like and respect for the Prophet and love. When I read the seerah, I am so humbled and moved. To me, that is love.

[nana_356 0]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

For me personally, the love that I have for god is uncomparable to any other, so when abdo states that we have to love love allah and mohammad the same" i totaly disagree. God created me, not mohammad.

Now, for Mohammad, i respect him, i thank god for sending him the message. And thats it, Mohammad is who he is by gods grace.

The reason that I say i dont love him is because he was a man with sin, and although he mostly was a great example there are some actions that I dont agree with. I cannot compare the love for god, the same as the love for anyone else.

[aisha kandisha 0]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

For me personally, the love that I have for god is uncomparable to any other, so when abdo states that we have to love love allah and mohammad the same" i totaly disagree. God created me, not mohammad.

Now, for Mohammad, i respect him, i thank god for sending him the message. And thats it, Mohammad is who he is by gods grace.

The reason that I say i dont love him is because he was a man with sin, and although he mostly was a great example there are some actions that I dont agree with. I cannot compare the love for god, the same as the love for anyone else.

This makes sense, but on the same note, I love my family who also have sinned, and I even love my dog.

[morocco4ever 63]

Mothers in history usually didnt start to go to work until later years either. My grandmother and mother never worked and did the house and kids but come my generation we work, teach the kids, do the house and all, and men in todays times have given way to share alot of the responsibilities its all in the mutual agreements of the couple to each their own. I have taught my boys to cook, clean and do laundry and hope they respect their wives to help. Just because a mother has strength in her religion does not make the children follow.

I believe especiall like these two that they see themselves as the big rulers, american women are basically a little more self sufficient, most have been married, divorced have had to keep the home and the kids going. Our men will come here, most will have to wait to work and basically dependent on us for awhile, i just see some coming here all gunho to do this and that and it dont work like this.

I know of a few that come here and the couples argue, the first thing out of the guys mouth is OH NO ONE EVER TALK TO ME LIKE THAT BEFORE...or IF WE WERE BACK IN MOROCCO YOU WOULD NEVER .....at their homes they are just used to being spoiled and catered to by the mothers and sisters

My husband has said that before in the heat of an argument, lol. He said most of the women don't argue back. My husband also knows that the majority of men their are spoiled by the wives, mothers, and sisters. He was one of them as well.

I guess all men can be broken like a horse and trained. Throughout history mothers have been the ones to teach faith and religion in families. If the mother isn't strong in her faith the children most likely will not be either.

We are trying to break and train our husbands...like a horse? Me thinks that your wife must stay home and do all of the house work while you sit on your A$$.

What is wrong with a man helping around the house considering that we, the woman, that should be chained to the stove, work to help with the support? This isn't something that I broke and trained in my husband, this is something that is a mutual agreement.

My wife is a stay at home mom but I help to cook and clean and take care of our baby. I take care of just as much as she does in the evenings and weekends. She always tells me it is her job to do but I still help her. She is a giver and wants to do everything to take care of us and I do the same with her. We are always doing things for each other. She doesn't want male friends to hang out with the same as I dont want women friends to hang out with. We are each others best friend and love to spend our time together. I see a lot of the women here saying what they will and wont allow there husbands to tell them what to do or not to do. It seems conditions are put in place with the hopes your husband will change once he is here. When you marry someone it should be for who they are and not who you want them to become. Yes people fall in love that shouldn't be together but they should not get married if they are expecting the other person to change.

So who broke and trained you like a horse to help your wife do these things?

Seriously though, I am not quite sure why you addressed this to me? All I said is that my husband was spoiled by his mom and sisters. I have tried every angle of thought on why this was addressed to me, but I am not getting it. Why do you think I had to break and train my husband?

My husband and I discussed everything well in advance as to the responsibilty of chores. Now that he is here he admits that I am not like the women there that stay at home, and he helps by his own choice because he views me as his wife, not a slave.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

exactly what my point has been. Everybody has a different interpretation of the word love and Shehada doesn't say the word "love" exactly so therefore it is not mandatory to "love" the prophet. just to believe in him and that god chose him as someone to bring his wonderful message.

shehada doesn't mention prayer or fasting or zakat, or hajj either, but i don't see any debate over those things being mandatory. shehada is not the end-all to being muslim, other things obviously are entailed.

[jade2004 0]

Okay I am a little confused here...I am Christian, but I was under the impression that was one of the major differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christians recognize Jesus and we pray to him as we do God also and for Islam it says they only pray to Allah and he is the one and only. So why would one love Mohammad as they do Allah. That is like us saying the prophet Noah is equal to God right?

This is getting way way over my head now

[morocco4ever 63]

Personally I think the miscommunication is from the differing views of love vrs respect. All in all I think we are on the same page on this topic.

[abdo 0]

Just to make sure u understand this, Abdou, when someone says they don't have to "love" Prophet Mohammed...It does not mean that they don't believe in him and respect him (and the other prophets) the same. They are not saying that he is bad or not true. They like him and follow his teachings and agree with what he brought. How is that anti-Islamic?

I am curious how those of you who don't love the Prophet define love. I am not saying that you have to love the Prophet to be a Muslim, not in the least, but just wondering what this line is between liking him, respecting him, and following him, versus loving him.

For me, here is the man that delivered the final message, showed as how to follow the faith, pray, was an amazing example for us all, what's not to love? I am guessing this is all coming down to how we define love. For me, respecting, following, admiring are all manifestations of love.

For me personally, the love that I have for god is uncomparable to any other, so when abdo states that we have to love love allah and mohammad the same" i totaly disagree. God created me, not mohammad.

Now, for Mohammad, i respect him, i thank god for sending him the message. And thats it, Mohammad is who he is by gods grace.

The reason that I say i dont love him is because he was a man with sin, and although he mostly was a great example there are some actions that I dont agree with. I cannot compare the love for god, the same as the love for anyone else.

how you think he was with sin????????????????OMG and what his SIN??????

[~Jackie~ 30]

good one moody

[sandinista! 1,816]

yeah, from my understanding as well, prophets are all without sin.

[aisha kandisha 0]

Okay I am a little confused here...I am Christian, but I was under the impression that was one of the major differences between Christianity and Islam is that Christians recognize Jesus and we pray to him as we do God also and for Islam it says they only pray to Allah and he is the one and only. So why would one love Mohammad as they do Allah. That is like us saying the prophet Noah is equal to God right?

This is getting way way over my head now

I don't think anyone (unless I have missed it) is saying to love the Prophet as you do God. However, loving God doesn't mean we cannot love the Prophet or that we are placing the Prophet on the same level as God if we love him.

I love my daughter and I love my dog, but those two loves are not comparable. I love my mother and I love my friend, but those loves are not comparable.

I am just curious as to what keeps people from going from "like" of the Prophet to love, not as a matter of questioning strength their faith, just my own nosy curiosity. Is it something in particular that keeps it from being love?