British Muslims protest in London - image

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Not afraid? Guess what would happen to Muslims in the US if they decided to carry slogans gloating "I love Al Qaeda" or "Behead those who insult Islam". This isn't Arab loving Europe - they'd go straight to Guantanamo, US citizens or not. So yes, they are afraid.

As for your third, I seriously doubt it.

So maybe that's why some fanaticized Muslims are rioting...

So the war on terror is about terrorizing some Muslims holding up placcards. Sick. Reminds me of 1930s Germany after all...

Huh? They can protest and hold up placcards. Just like anyone else. They cannot terrorize our streets. The type of placcards that have been on display in Europe ought to land people in jail for committing acts of terror and inciting hate and violence. That is not terrorizing some Muslims but protecting the citizenry at large from being terrorized. Has nothing at all to do with Nazi Germany either.

I was responding to mawilson's claim that if American Muslims peacefully protested with slogans like we see in London they would end up in Gitmo. And that because American Muslims knew that they knew to be afraid. That is what is like Nazi Germany (I do hate this comparison, but it felt right at the moment considering that mawilson mentions interning people with signs in camps regardless of their citizenship).

I do find the signs disgusting but in themselves and carried around peacefully they do not warrant internment in camps or infringement of civil and human rights.

Edited February 7, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I do find the signs disgusting but in themselves and carried around peacefully they do not warrant internment in camps or infringement of civil and human rights.

Signs calling for murder, anihilation and a repeat of 9/11 ought to get people jailed. There's nothing peaceful about them. Calling for the murder of others is not a human and/or civil right.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

We already have fanatics on our streets inciting hate.

Plus, here's a link to some Muslims reaction to the imprisonment of a leading radical cleric in the UK today:

BBC News

Thanks for the reminder. Seems like there are more non-Muslim radicals threatening America...

I do find the signs disgusting but in themselves and carried around peacefully they do not warrant internment in camps or infringement of civil and human rights.

Signs calling for murder, anihilation and a repeat of 9/11 ought to get people jailed. There's nothing peaceful about them. Calling for the murder of others is not a human and/or civil right.

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

Edited February 7, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

Sorry. I misunderstood you, then. I absolutely agree that Gitmo is a very bad idea. I always say, Bush and his ilk seems to want to fight them by becoming them. That's fuzzy warfare...

Edited February 7, 2006 by ET-US2004

[mawilson 2,133]

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

I agree -- I don't necessarily want to throw away the key by sending them to Gitmo, but I do want to see

them locked up, whether in the UK or not I don't really care.

[junglee069 0]

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

I agree -- I don't necessarily want to throw away the key by sending them to Gitmo, but I do want to see

them locked up, whether in the UK or not I don't really care.

locked up? why, are they not expressing their freedom of speech? or have we realized that freedom of speech does have its limitations?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

I agree -- I don't necessarily want to throw away the key by sending them to Gitmo, but I do want to see them locked up, whether in the UK or not I don't really care.

locked up? why, are they not expressing their freedom of speech? or have we realized that freedom of speech does have its limitations?

Celebrating 9/11 and/or 7/7 and/or similar events, dressing up as suicide bombers and holding placcards calling for murder and anihilation is NOT a human and/or civil right. It's an offense for which indivuduals ought to be held accountable. Here, you get your day in court. This does not have anything to do with freedom of speech. Sorry, dude, but you're way off track.

[junglee069 0]

Jailed maybe (depending on the sign), but not send to territories outside of the judicial system of the US. It's the concept of sending Muslim protesters of to internment camps that I object too. And even criminals have certain human and civil rights; that's part of the free and democratic world we profess to defend...

I agree -- I don't necessarily want to throw away the key by sending them to Gitmo, but I do want to see them locked up, whether in the UK or not I don't really care.

locked up? why, are they not expressing their freedom of speech? or have we realized that freedom of speech does have its limitations?

Celebrating 9/11 and/or 7/7 and/or similar events, dressing up as suicide bombers and holding placcards calling for murder and anihilation is NOT a human and/or civil right. It's an offense for which indivuduals ought to be held accountable. Here, you get your day in court. This does not have anything to do with freedom of speech. Sorry, dude, but you're way off track.

.........for the record - i don't agree with the fringe elements of the protesters that celebrated/encouraged terrorist activity, 9/11, 7/7, suicide bombers, and held placards to support such.

however, if one stands behind the pillar of freedom of speech to protect disrespecting the values of a culture/religion - they cannot choose to stand behind that very same pillar if they are going to trample over the rights of others to say what they want.

you can't have it both ways.

either freedom of speech has limitations that apply to EVERYONE - or it doesn't. it cannot be selectively applied when we agree with something, then dismissed when we dont.

[mawilson 2,133]

That's it junglee, you crossed the line. Off to Gitmo you go....

[KTAN 0]

Maybe someone has mentioned this but we recently passed a law which could surely be applied to this situation 'incitement to racial hatred' but then the police would have to have arrested them at the time and not left it until they could not be identified during a 'probe'. I also think there should be a law about burning a nations flag, for many of us that is as terrible as religious insults.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

you can't have it both ways.

either freedom of speech has limitations that apply to EVERYONE - or it doesn't. it cannot be selectively applied when we agree with something, then dismissed when we dont.

It's not about having it both ways. It's about exercising freedom of speech within the limitations of the law.

Edited February 15, 2006 by ET-US2004

[sukie175 0]

I was previously married to a muslim and he had no sympathy for these people. The UK has a vast muslim population nowadays and thank god this is just a fanatical minority.

[Carol&Marc 0]

I do find the signs disgusting but in themselves and carried around peacefully they do not warrant internment in camps or infringement of civil and human rights.

Signs calling for murder, anihilation and a repeat of 9/11 ought to get people jailed. There's nothing peaceful about them. Calling for the murder of others is not a human and/or civil right.

WOW ET, WE AGREE!

[almaty 19]

I was previously married to a muslim and he had no sympathy for these people. The UK has a vast muslim population nowadays and thank god this is just a fanatical minority.

you tell them sarah

[UmmSqueakster 54]

More goings on in the British muslim community:

Imam Road Show to beat extremism

It is a Friday night in west London and nearly 1,000, mainly young, men and women are packed into a hall eagerly anticipating the evening's main event.

Naveed Mustaghfar said there was a lot of "confusion" about the Koran

But it is not a pop concert they have come to attend.

All these young people are giving up their Friday evening for the latest event in what has been dubbed the "imams' roadshow".

The audience are nearly all Muslims who have come to hear influential Islamic scholars - or shaykhs - from all over the world give their views on the Koran's teaching.

...

It is a completely different face of Islam from the angry, banner-waving Muslims seen recently after cartoons satirising the prophet Mohammed sparked outrage in Britain and around the world.

I Hamza Yusuf *faints* He has a very large collection of audio lectures out, that I would recommend to anyone.