Muta marriage in Egypt

[Hanna&Mohamed 0]

I know my marraige is done right! I talked to people before i did !My friend talked to a Imam today and told him about this site and what people are saying. He said yes my marraige is accepted Islamically. Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes. We will have a wedding when he comes again in the mosque not by court here!To have it registered. So now everyone can be quiet about my marraige!!!

I ask questions before I do anything. There are reasons why we couldnt by the court. You have heard them all.

Also the flat in Egypt is in my name.

Children are very important in a muslim mans life. Very much!

[Nasturtium 500]

Views on walis for converts vary depending on what school you follow, but it is correct, the officiant often serves as the wali for converts.

Thanks.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

I know my marraige is done right! I talked to people before i did !My friend talked to a Imam today and told him about this site and what people are saying. He said yes my marraige is accepted Islamically. Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes. We will have a wedding when he comes again in the mosque not by court here!To have it registered. So now everyone can be quiet about my marraige!!!

I ask questions before I do anything. There are reasons why we couldnt by the court. You have heard them all.

Also the flat in Egypt is in my name.

Children are very important in a muslim mans life. Very much!

Again not all muslim men want or need children, yours does fine, mine and others dont so you dont speak for all on this one, also his married brother wont have either by choice

[Captain Ewok 1,900]

Respectfully, those who are bickering I would like to ask you to stop please. Thank you .

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

wow. i see nothing has changed while i've been gone today.

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

I know my marraige is done right! I talked to people before i did !My friend talked to a Imam today and told him about this site and what people are saying. He said yes my marraige is accepted Islamically. Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes. We will have a wedding when he comes again in the mosque not by court here!To have it registered. So now everyone can be quiet about my marraige!!!

so this means you'll be changing from a k-1 fiance visa to a k-3 spouse visa, right?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I know my marraige is done right! I talked to people before i did !My friend talked to a Imam today and told him about this site and what people are saying. He said yes my marraige is accepted Islamically. Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes. We will have a wedding when he comes again in the mosque not by court here!To have it registered. So now everyone can be quiet about my marraige!!!

I ask questions before I do anything. There are reasons why we couldnt by the court. You have heard them all.

Also the flat in Egypt is in my name.

Children are very important in a muslim mans life. Very much!

An imam married me to a Christian man because he understood that there is no prohibition in sharia. Sister Nana 365's imam told her that it is not haram for Muslim women to marry ahl al kitab men, and even offered to call her parents to tell then how wrong they are for giving her a hard time about her husband.

Does that convince you and Mo that Muslimas can marry non-Muslim men? I don't doubt that you would dismiss them as ignorant, too.

You made up a contract and wrote in conditions as you pleased. That, in and of itself makes it invalid in any legitimate madhab. While you can register your nikah here, it still must comport to a legitimate madhab, and, when you file for civil divorce, it also must comport to state law. In short, you wasted good money on a shyster lawyer who didn't marry you.

This "in God's eyes" stuff is such pc crock. People who go on about who we are to judge others because only God knows who pleases Him don't seem to have any problem stating that God is tickled pink by their paper marriage, and that their intimacy is halal because they are married "in God's eyes", as if they are sure God is pleased with them. What unabashed hubris! Under what other circumstances do Muslims go around bragging about how well they rate "in God's eyes"? I can't think of another one.

But I guess you need some excuse for your disgrace. Why not just say, hey, we were weak and failed to wait? Most people get that. Broadcasting God as your alibi for improper acts makes it a community issue, inviting members of the ummah to accept or reject your claims.

As for kids, Muslim men and women are individuals; some want children and some don't. I know lots who didn't want kids, including one of my brothers, and several cousins. Muslims who don't want kids are no less Muslim than those who do.

[Ihavequestions 419]

So now everyone can be quiet about my marraige!!!

Why should we be quiet about it when you won't?

I talked to people before i did !

Who? Someone mislead you and in a horrible, horrible way.

I don't think you realize the extent of the problems your paper marriage has created.

Do you understand that, in Egypt:

You have no right to dissolve your "contract" marriage relationship because only the husband has that right, and he can do that any time he chooses?

You have no right to a government-issued birth certificate for your child because it was born of your "contract" marriage?

You have no right to be your husband's only wife because your "contract" marriage cannot contain this clause?

You have no right to travel freely because your "contract" marriage cannot contain this permission?

You have no right to support for either yourself or your child because your "contract" marriage is not legal and binding?

I know my marraige is done right!

We will have a wedding when he comes again in the mosque not by court here!To have it registered.

If your marriage is "done right," why do you have to do it again? Oh, that's right. You have to do it again because it was not "done right," and you know that.

I wish you luck finding any marriage officiant who will freely participate in your charade.

I ask questions before I do anything. There are reasons why we couldnt by the court. You have heard them all.

Again, who? And, again, someone has horribly mislead you.

The other option, the one that you would not and did not take, that being the right one, was to wait. You could have gone back to the States and waited for your fiance visa (which you are supposed to be doing anyway), then marry. You did not. Instead, you went to an attorney who drew up a contract that stripped you of rights you would have had under a legal marriage and you signed it. Then, either because knew and chose to ignore OR because you were believed whatever garbage someone handed you about your "contract" marriage OR because you were oblivious to the ramifications, you chose to play house and live like a married couple - in Egypt only because that's the only place your "contract" marriage has some legitimacy. To complicate the matter, a child has been thrown into the sordid mess.

Also the flat in Egypt is in my name.

And you know that ... how? Because the same lawyer who took your money in order to arrange the "contract" marriage told you? Again, who told you this?

My friend talked to a Imam today and told him about this site and what people are saying. He said yes my marraige is accepted Islamically.

Why don't you go directly to an Imam - an Egyptian Imam - yourself, spill the entire story, and then come back here and tell us what the Imam says.

Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes.

So far Mohamed has struck me as a pretty smart guy, one who is smart enough to know that if his luggage gets tossed and a signed marriage "contract" is discovered, his cover will be blown and he will be refused entry.

Children are very important in a muslim mans life. Very much!

How does stereotyping support your claim?

Besides, if children were and are so important, why would you put your son in the position you have? Really, the thought of mommy and daddy paying hefty, hefty fines, incarceration, and deportation would be enough for me to WAIT and marry the legal and proper way. But maybe that's just me.

[Hanna&Mohamed 0]

You think i really care what u say hell no!!! Dont ever talk about my child! I wont post any thing again .

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Mohamed needs to bring our contract when he comes.

I'm more awake now than I was last night, so I just caught this. Mo said that BOTH of them had a copy of the contract. Now, we're being told that he has to bring the copy with him. Well, that's interesting information, to say the least. In a paper marriage, it is the man who usually holds the contract, so this is typical.

It's also true that in Egypt, the child of an unmarried woman is considered to be fatherless until the contract is registered and validated, and paternal links are established. Sorry, but it's a patriarchal and patrilineal society.

[abdo 0]

MARRIAGE IN ISLAM

Islam, unlike other religions is a strong advocate of marriage. There is no place for celibacy like, for example the Roman Catholic priests and nuns. The prophet (pbuh) has said "there is no celibacy in Islam.

Marriage is a religious duty and is consequently a moral safeguard as well as a social necessity. Islam does not equal celibacy with high "taqwa" / "Iman". The prophet has also said, "Marriage is my tradition who so ever keeps away there from is not from amongst me".

Marriage acts as an outlet for sexual needs and regulate it so one does not become a slave to his/ her desires.

It is a social necessity because through marriage, families are established and the family is the fundamental unit of our society. Furthermore, marriage is the only legitimate or halal way to indulge in intimacy between a man and a woman.

Islam takes a middle of the road position to sexual relations , it neither condemns it like certain religions, nor does it allow it freely. Islam urges us to control and regulate our desires, whatever they may be so that we remain dignified and not become like animals.

The purpose of Marriage.

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The word "zawj" is used in the Qur'an to mean a pair or a mate. In general it usage refers to marriage. The general purpose of marriage is that the sexes can provide company to one another, love to one another, procreate children and live in peace and tranquility to the commandments of Allah.

* Marriage serves as a means to emotional and sexual gratification and as a means of tension reduction. It is also a form of Ibadah because it is obeying Allah and his messenger - i.e. Marriage is seen as the only possible way for the sexes to unite. One could choose to live in sin, however by choosing marriage one is displaying obedience to Allah.

Marriage is "mithaq" - a solemn covenant (agreement). It is not a matter which can be taken lightly. It should be entered into with total commitment and full knowledge of what it involves. It is not like buying a new dress where you can exchange it if you don't like it. Your partner should be your choice for life. One should be mature enough to understand the demands of marriage so that the union can be a lasting one. For a marriage to be valid certain conditions must be met.

1) consent of both parties.

2) " Mahr" a gift from the groom to his bride.

3) Witnesses- 2 male or female.

4) The marriage should be publicized, it should never be kept secret as it leads to suspicion and troubles within the community.

TYPES OF MARRIAGES

1-urfi marriage

I want to ask about what type of relationship that is permissible between males and females in high schools, such as girlfriends/boyfriends. Also, I heard about `urfi marriage, and I met a girl, and the college is not close to my parents. So if I can't communicate with my parents or the girl can't, or even some of them may lost their parents and can't communicate to them. Is that halal or not? I am asking because it is really hard here to be in a high school then in sha' Allah in college with all the girls basically surrounding you. I want a solution to help me so as not to fall in Zina?

I don’t know what you exactly mean by `urfi marriage. If you mean the Islamic marriage with all its conditions and prerequisites but not registered in the American court, it is Islamically correct. You can contact the girl and bring her to the Mosque and have your Islamic marriage performed there. The Imam should be able to assist you with the requirements and conditions.

But if you mean by `urfi marriage to marry the girl without the consent of her Muslim parents, this is not acceptable as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “There is no (young) woman who got married without the consent of her guardian except that the marriage will be invalid.”

Having said this, I advise you to stay away from temptations including unnecessary interaction and contact with the girls at your high school and beyond.

2-Mesyar: A Convenience or Contentious Issue

I want to ask you about the marriage that is called in Arabic Misyar. I hope you will explain to me what it means, and kindly shed light on the Islamic ruling concerning it?

- we are really pleased to have your question and to have the chance to convey some of the teachings of our religion to our Muslim brothers. In fact, it adds to our happiness to find guidance being disseminated and the word of truth being highly elevated. We hope these humble efforts meet the great expectations of yours.

Misyar marriage can be defined as a marriage contract between a man and a woman, in which the woman waives some of the rights she would have in a normal Islamic marriage. This sometimes takes place when, for example, there are many women who, as they get older, find it increasingly difficult to marry. In this case a woman opts for a husband who is not able to fulfil the normal marital duties like financial maintenance, or spending adequate time with her, for example. She considers that marrying such a husband is better than remaining unmarried.

It’s noteworthy that once a marriage contract meets its Shari`ah requirements, it will be acceptable from the Islamic points of view irrespective of what people call such contract. Conditions of valid marriage are: The consent of both spouses, the consent of the Wali (guardian), the payment of the dower, the presence of the witnesses, and the announcement of the contract.

It goes without saying that valid marriage should not be limited to a certain period of time; otherwise it will be reckoned as a Mut`ah (temporal) marriage which is prohibited in Islam.

Dealing with this subject, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states: Misyar marriage should be viewed as a form of legal relationship between man and woman regardless of any description attached to it. This is pursuant to the juristic rule: "What matters most in contracts are motives and meaning, not the wording or structure."

Therefore, in determining the legal nature of this marriage, we should not judge things according to names, for as we know, people feel free in naming or describing something.

There is nothing new about this kind of marriage. It is in one way or another very similar to what is known as `Urfi marriage or non-documented marriage.

Stipulating certain details in the marriage contract on both sides is acceptable. For example, some `Ulama (scholars) maintain that a woman has a right to determine the timing of marriage; i.e., it can take place at day or night, however, she can also waive this right.

Therefore, based on what has been mentioned, we can state that Misyar marriage, or something in similar form, has been in practice from time immemorial. It also serves the purpose of some women, who, for instance, may be rich but happen to be unable to marry at the proper time. So, such women can opt for this kind of marriage.

But I do have to make it clear that the aforementioned statement does not make me a protagonist of Misyar marriage. In all my Fatwas and sermons, it is not mentioned anywhere that I give any support for such marriage.

The point is that when I was asked by a journalist to state my opinion regarding this marriage, I found it a pressing religious duty to give a clear-cut opinion on something that does not make unlawful what Almighty Allah has made lawful for His servants.

Therefore, if anyone seeks my opinion on this marriage, I must reply him saying: What do you mean by Misyar marriage. However, if I get an explanation that shows that in Misyar marriage, all the Islamic legal requirements are met, then the marriage is valid.

Those requirements are: an offer and acceptance from both parties; a specified dowry, according to the Qur'anic verse: "And give unto the women, (whom ye marry) free gift of their marriage portions" (An-Nisa': 4), and that the contract wins the consent of the guardian. Thereby, no one has the right to brandish it as unlawful.

There is no doubt that such marriage may be somehow socially unacceptable, but there is a big difference between what is Islamically valid and what is socially acceptable. As we know, people can be cynical about the idea of an employee marrying his employer. But who can deny the validity of such a marriage if it meets all the legal requirements?

This issue, therefore, needs a cautious approach. One should not feel free to condemn an act as absolutely forbidden, merely on social repugnance. Rather, one needs to have convincing evidence to determine the legal nature of each particular act.

3-Mut`ah Marriage

I have a friend, who is interested in having information on Mut`ah marriage. Could you please explain for me the Islamic ruling on such marriage?

As regards the Islamic ruling on mut`ah marriage, we'd like to cite for you the words of the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, in his will known book, The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam. He writes:

Marriage in Islam is a strong binding contract based on the intention of both partners to live together permanently in order to attain, as individuals, the benefit of repose, affection, and mercy mentioned in the Qur'an, as well as to attain the social goal of the reproduction and perpetuation of the human species. Almighty Allah says: "And Allah has made for our spouses of your own nature, and from your spouses has made for you sons and grandsons...." (An-Nahl: 72)

Now, mut`ah marriage (marriage for the sake of sexual gratification) is a marriage that is contracted by the two parties for a specified period of time in exchange for a specified sum of money. While the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) permitted mut`ah marriage during journeys and military campaigns before the Islamic legislative process was made complete, he later forbade it and made it Haram on a permanent basis.

It was initially permitted because the Muslims were passing through what might be called a period of transition from Jahiliyyah (the pre-Islamic period) to Islam. Fornication was widespread among the Arabs before the advent of Islam. After Islam, when Muslims were required to go on military expeditions, they were under great pressure as a result of being away from their wives for long periods of time. Some of the believers were strong in faith, but others were weak. The weak in faith feared that they would be tempted to commit adultery, which is a major sin, while the staunch in faith, on the contrary, were ready to castrate themselves. Ibn Mas`ud narrates: "We were on an expedition with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and did not have our wives with us, so we asked Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) 'Should we not castrate ourselves?' (The reason for this request was the desire to preserve their chastity, which was in danger of being affected by their unmet needs.) He forbade us from doing so but permitted us to contract marriage with a woman up to a specified date, giving her a garment as a dowry (Mahr)." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Thus, mut`ah marriage provided a solution to the dilemma in which both the weak and the strong found themselves. It was also a step toward the final legalization of the complete marital life in which the objectives of permanence, chastity, reproduction, love, and mercy as well as the widening of the circle of relationships through marriage ties were to be realized.

We may recall that the Qur'an adopted a gradual course in prohibiting wine and usury, as these two evils were widespread and deeply rooted in the pre-Islamic society. In the same manner, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) adopted a gradual course in the matter of sex. First, he permitted mut`ah marriage as an alternative to zina (fornication and adultery), and at the same time coming closer to the permanent marriage relationship. He then prohibited it absolutely, as all and many other Companions reported. Muslim reports this in his Sahih (Authentic Collection of Hadiths), mentioning that Al-Juhani was with the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) at the conquest of Makkah and that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) gave some Muslims permission to contract mut`ah marriages. Al-Juhani said: "Before leaving Makkah, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) prohibited it." In another version: "Allah has made it Haram until the Day of Resurrection."

The question arises: Is mut`ah marriage absolutely haram, like marriage to one's own mother or daughter, or is it like the prohibition concerning the eating of pork or dead meat, which becomes permissible in case of dire necessity, the necessity in this case being the fear of committing zina?

The majority of the Companions hold the view that after the completion of the Islamic legislation, mut`ah marriage was made absolutely haram. However, Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) holds a different opinion, permitting it in case of dire necessity. A person asked him about marrying women on a haram basis, and he permitted him to do so. A servant of his then asked, "Is this not under hard conditions, when women are few and the like?" and he replied, "Yes." (Reported by Al-Bukhari) Later, when Ibn `Abbas saw that people had become lax and were engaging in haram marriages without necessity, he withdrew his ruling and retracted his previous opinion. (Zad Al-Ma`ad, vol. 4, p. 7)

4-Marriage at an early age

I have a nine year-old girl who is married to a person at the age of 20. The marriage contract was made a year ago but the girl is refusing to live with her husband or even to look at him. In addition to that she requires him to divorce her. Could you please advise me what to do? Should I separate them or force my daughter to live with him?

It is certainly possible for a father to get his daughter married to someone who he thinks is suitable for her. Whether he should force her into any marriage is something totally different Let me relate this to you: A woman companion of the Prophet came to him and said: "My father has married me away to one of his relatives without asking my opinion. I do not wish to stay with this man as his wife." The Prophet ordered their separation. When she realized that she was free and that she was no longer married to the man, she said to the Prophet: "I now accept what my father has done and I am marrying this man. I only did this so that women may know that it is not up to men to marry them away against their wishes."

Scholars have discussed at length the marriage of a young girl who has not attained puberty and whether her father may marry her away without her permission. If such a marriage takes place it is valid. However, it is perhaps best if the marriage is not allowed to be consummated until the girl attains puberty, when she is given the choice whether to continue with this marriage or not. Moreover her father may not marry her away to someone who is of a lesser status than hers. If he does and she objects, the marriage is not valid. Generally speaking, however. a girl must be asked to express her opinion in any proposed marriage. If she has been married before, then her verbal consent should be requested. If she has not been married previously, then her consent is also to be requested, but if she keeps quiet, her silence is taken as approval.

To say that the marriage is valid is not to say that people should go ahead and make such marriages. There may be certain circumstances, which make it desirable or advisable that a very young girl should be married away in this manner but this must not be taken as the normal situation. In marriage, the normal thing is that people should marry when they are of marriageable age. That does not include girls of nine or ten years of age, although some girls may attain puberty that early. Marriage involves certain responsibilities and a very young girl could not be expected to shoulder these. There are also other problems, which the may face, as she grows older. If things go wrong with her marriage, she will always blame her father for having messed up her life, well intentioned though he may be. If you take the example of your own daughter, and you force her to go and live with her husband despite her protestations, you will never be sure whether the marriage will work out well or not. If it does, then well and good. But there is an equal chance that problems may arise especially with your daughter behaving like the child she is. While her husband expects from her the attitude of a married woman. How could you expect her to overcome the feeling that she has been thrown into this situation without being allowed the slightest say in the whole matter which is to affect the rest of her life?

As we see it, your choice is either to get her divorced now, before the marriage is consummated or to keep her with you until she has attained puberty and she is in a position to express her opinion about this marriage. If she still objects to it, then you divorce her without any compulsion to go through with it. If, on the other hand, if she approves of this marriage, at that time, then you go ahead with it. Perhaps it is better for you to consult with the young man to whom you have already married her. He should be understanding and accommodating. Between the two of you should work out the best solution which ensures that he is not lumbered with marriage which is forced on a young girl who cannot be expected to give an opinion about such a matter.

[SaadBell 0]

mohamed-

Don't worry about what others say, start now, you and your wife, soon your little one; that precious little angel, will be a person who will question all you ever did? Oh and by the time they are 12, they will be brilliant, while you and your wife, will be looked upon as dim and limited, this is a teens job. Enjoy the years you have left, before they turn, and oh they turn. Here is some information for you, you need to be alert, and prepare you and your wife, because when they turn a certain age, it will be you and your wife, against the CHILDREN. So enjoy your time while it lasts, take lots of pictures, soon you will have a hard time evening locating your offspring, when it is picture time. Our first one is graduating from College this May, and we have 4 others coming up. You will be different, your wife and you, learn to stay together, and when it gets too much, you and your wife can lock yourselves in your room, and wait it out. I am sorry, just a worn out parent rambling on and on, you also lose your mind. You too will have dreams of buying some kind of compound, where you can hide, and leave no forwarding address, in case the heathen children might find you and suck some more life out of you. I love babies, and little children, teenagers, oh the horrors of it. Here is some signs you need to look for. Print this out, remember, don’t let that precious face fool you, for soon, very soon, this precious little baby, will turn in to the monster we all know as TEENAGER.

Start now Mohamed, before you are ambushed in the night by the children.

Teenager (noun)

1. A mammal found extensively throughout the planet, often clustered in groups in front of television sets (See SLOTHS.) Thought to be a member of ** Sapiens due to physical similarities, though social and emotional behavior leads many researchers to consider Teenagers to be a completely different species altogether (See PARENTS.) Very territorial. (See ITS MY ROOM STAY OUT OF MY ROOM.)

Teenagers are extraordinarily social animals, seeking contact with their peer groups to such a great extent they will forgo family, chores, food, and responsibility (See FATHERS, QUOTATIONS OF.) The males of the species forage for food constantly (See MCDONALD'S) and can consume three times their weight every day. When in full plumage, the males are usually drab, marked by loose fitting garments which slide off their backsides and look ridiculous (See FATHERS, QUOTATIONS OF.)

The females, on the other hand, sport striking colors under their eyes, throughout their hair, and on the tips of their fingers. Females often attract males by wearing garments to accentuate chest development (See WONDER BRAS.) Males indicate their approval by staring at the display (See FATHERS, HEART ATTACKS OF.) The call of the female is complex and shrill: Like, O m'Gosh! O m' Gosh! Males are less vocal, signaling to other males with a salutatory Yo. Yo. Yo. S'up? S'up? S'up?

Teenagers line their nests with discarded undergarments. The females hold telephone receivers to their ears an average of six hours a day. When challenged for possession, they snarl and warn intruders, I'm doing my HOMEWORK. My HOMEWORK. My HOMEWORK. The males lie immobile for hours at a time, conserving energy and listening to violent electronic signals from radios.

Male Teenagers concentrate on important information (See FATHERS, LECTURES OF) by rolling their eyes, shrugging, kicking dirt and sighing. Females burst into tears and slam doors. Many ** Sapiens families have a host-to-parasite relationship with one (See STRESS) or more than one (See EXTREME STRESS) Teenager. These host families often develop a resistance to the parasite, rejecting them some time in the eighteenth year of life. Often, though, this rejection is merely theoretical, with the Teenager continuing to live off of the host ** Sapiens family for many years afterward, often at great sacrifice (See COLLEGE.)

2. Of, relating to, and especially EXPLAINING irrational, intolerable, or inexplicable behavior. (She's a Teenager.)

3. A request for sympathy, offered by adult parents to each other in support. (I have a Teenager at home.) Often accompanied by sighs, headshaking, tongue clucking, and shoulder shrugging.

resistance to the parasite, rejecting them some time in the eighteenth year of life – I think I am beginning to get a resistance to the parasite, but it could be insanity.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Internet site fatwas are worth very little in the real world. Unschooled readers see the rules they cite as if they are universally agreed upon and reliably applied everywhere Muslims are and in the same manner. They are not. Even the judicial schools disagree on about 25% of their rulings, so depending on what is real in your particular situation, in the jurisdiction you are in has more weight than what you can cut and paste from the net.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Virtual wife

[peezey 0]

in the US when someone says something to you you don't agree with or even if you feel slandered.

this kinda of attitude when here will most definately either get you in a fight or shot and i dont think this is being considered....things here are different. I know Ahmed said at his store someone comes to buy and doesnt say (good morning, how are you etc) he ignores.....i told him you do that here and they will jump over counter and attack you...they have no idea not everyone here is nice....and they wont be the rulers

Goodness, where do you live so I never go there? This sounds like hell on earth and is NOT indicative of ANY community I know of in this country.

Shot? Jump over the counter? For ignoring a good morning? Lady, you should move.

[sandinista! 1,816]

in the US when someone says something to you you don't agree with or even if you feel slandered.

this kinda of attitude when here will most definately either get you in a fight or shot and i dont think this is being considered....things here are different. I know Ahmed said at his store someone comes to buy and doesnt say (good morning, how are you etc) he ignores.....i told him you do that here and they will jump over counter and attack you...they have no idea not everyone here is nice....and they wont be the rulers

Goodness, where do you live so I never go there? This sounds like hell on earth and is NOT indicative of ANY community I know of in this country.

Shot? Jump over the counter? For ignoring a good morning? Lady, you should move.

is THAT what that post said? sorry, i suck at solving puzzles this early in the morning. reason #587 to never visit oklahoma, a very long list indeed.