Muta marriage in Egypt

[morocco4ever 63]

But is it Islamic if it is known the woman's rights will more than likely never be enforced?

No, sis. That's the difference between fiqh - man's law, and sharia - God's law. People have developed a cult of scholar worship that is taking the morality out of Islamic jurisprudence.

just to know she is ignorant islamically she deny even fiqih

so if we go by sharia any one will steal should cut his hands now. but how we say if the man steal to eat or giverment dont provide him even foods

very very narrow mind

I can see to survive a man must steal food. It is still labeled as stealing. Perhaps this would require someones sympathy for the situation, but stealing non the less. This was a weak argument.

[morocco4ever 63]

i just talk to ahmed and even in his simple way and the way i cant explain well here is what he say of this paper marriage

and when they throw paper like never been married

his meaning i guess to say if you decide to throw this paper away its like never been married, i think maybe us girls should ask all our guys since not many men come on here

I asked my husband about this as well. Lets just say I am glad that we are legally and Islamically married.

[aisha kandisha 0]

But is it Islamic if it is known the woman's rights will more than likely never be enforced?

No, sis. That's the difference between fiqh - man's law, and sharia - God's law. People have developed a cult of scholar worship that is taking the morality out of Islamic jurisprudence.

just to know she is ignorant islamically she deny even fiqih

so if we go by sharia any one will steal should cut his hands now. but how we say if the man steal to eat or giverment dont provide him even foods

very very narrow mind

I can see to survive a man must steal food. It is still labeled as stealing. Perhaps this would require someones sympathy for the situation, but stealing non the less. This was a weak argument.

if people were acting according to their faith, no one would go hungry and need to steal.

[sarahaziz 0]

But is it Islamic if it is known the woman's rights will more than likely never be enforced?

No, sis. That's the difference between fiqh - man's law, and sharia - God's law. People have developed a cult of scholar worship that is taking the morality out of Islamic jurisprudence.

just to know she is ignorant islamically she deny even fiqih

so if we go by sharia any one will steal should cut his hands now. but how we say if the man steal to eat or giverment dont provide him even foods

very very narrow mind

I can see to survive a man must steal food. It is still labeled as stealing. Perhaps this would require someones sympathy for the situation, but stealing non the less. This was a weak argument.

That reminds me, it was said in the bible Why do you worry about tomorrow I will clothe, feed you. Personal hardship is an excuse for the weak. God didn't make weak humans! He did everything perfect! We make ourselves like that.

[sarahaziz 0]

But is it Islamic if it is known the woman's rights will more than likely never be enforced?

No, sis. That's the difference between fiqh - man's law, and sharia - God's law. People have developed a cult of scholar worship that is taking the morality out of Islamic jurisprudence.

just to know she is ignorant islamically she deny even fiqih

so if we go by sharia any one will steal should cut his hands now. but how we say if the man steal to eat or giverment dont provide him even foods

very very narrow mind

I can see to survive a man must steal food. It is still labeled as stealing. Perhaps this would require someones sympathy for the situation, but stealing non the less. This was a weak argument.

if people were acting according to their faith, no one would go hungry and need to steal.

Amin

[mohamed N melinda 0]

sarra you are out of this cause she say she only go by sharia and sharia is quraan say regarldless fiqh.

so if we by sharia no excuse and the one who steal has to cut his hand

the one who kill have to be killed regarless human rights thats if we go by sharia as it is

u got me?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What I have said is that fiqh is supposed to derive from sharia, but too much of fiqh ignores the mercy, compassion and directives of the Sunnah of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. As a result, our societies are becoming courser and the morality behind the sharia being ignored.

You're the strictly fiqh guy because it suits your agenda.

Edited April 20, 2008 by Virtual wife

[sarahaziz 0]

sarra you are out of this cause she say she only go by sharia and sharia is quraan say regarldless fiqh.

so if we by sharia no excuse and the one who steal has to cut his hand

the one who kill have to be killed regarless human rights thats if we go by sharia as it is

u got me?

I don't believe in Islam's extended Rules it's not worth explaining that to me because I won't understand it. I don't really understand you my friend so I can't reply! I said Arabic women are beautiful beings and you shouldn't talk so rudely with a Jordanian sister! You are a man and you should have respect and let her alone yes? Ok so if she says anything further to you don't respond It's going to be a shame if this topic gets closed bec I wanted to actually understand the MUTA marriages. I didn't know that disgusting contract still exists.

[Aymsgirl 0]

Jackie...I think somebody answered your question possibly but my head is spinning reading all of this I have a form of amnesia right now. The American Embassy in Egypt stopped issuing the Affadavit of Marriage to its citizens to marry Egyptians last Spring. This form is required and had been used by the Ministry of Justice in Cairo for all foreign marriages to be registered. The Embassy decided to withdraw the the form because of a clause stating on it that the person marrying is legally able to marry and is in fact divorced.(if they were married prior to) Their argument is that the United States did not have a national registry of marriages such as Egypt does. ( meaning the marriages that are registered under the national identification card for the male) The Ministry of Justice did state that if the Non-Egyptian Citizen could get a notarized affadavit in the USA they would possibly accept it but the Embassy would still have to stamp it as an American legal document. This was something the Embassy did not do for its citizens.

I believe they started to accept marriages between US and Egyptian citizens again this January. I may be off a little on the dates.

From what I read Mohamed did state that they looked into registering their marriage but was advised that it would take much longer for them to be together so they decided to do the K1 route. Registry of these marriages do take quite some time because the contract will be valid in court if one party makes a case against the other party and can provide the documentation. These can at times take up to a year to complete registration.

So, I hope I shed a little light on your question about why it wasn't permissable for awhile. I know you had asked a few times and thought I'd try and help out some. Have a good evening.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

What I have said is that , but too much of fiqh ignores the mercy, compassion and directives of the Sunnah of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. As a result, our societies are becoming courser and the morality behind the sharia being ignored.

You're the strictly fiqh guy because it suits your agenda.

now you say fiqh is supposed to derive from sharia lol

if u go by sharia u have to follow quran and u did take non muslim husband and quran didnot say u thats allowed since quran didnot say that allowed so if there is not any permission listed for that then the answer is it is not allowed

you only takes what suit your needs about laws in islam

since you dont follow sharia nor fiqh so what your flowwing?

i can tell you YOUR PERSONAL DISERS

[aisha kandisha 0]

What I have said is that , but too much of fiqh ignores the mercy, compassion and directives of the Sunnah of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet. As a result, our societies are becoming courser and the morality behind the sharia being ignored.

You're the strictly fiqh guy because it suits your agenda.

now you say fiqh is supposed to derive from sharia lol

if u go by sharia u have to follow quran and u did take non muslim husband and quran didnot say u thats allowed since quran didnot say that allowed so if there is not any permission listed for that then the answer is it is not allowed

you only takes what suit your needs about laws in islam

since you dont follow sharia nor fiqh so what your flowwing?

i can tell you YOUR PERSONAL DISERS

Mohamed,

If you don't mind, did Melinda have a wali?

[mohamed N melinda 0]

sarra you are out of this cause she say she only go by sharia and sharia is quraan say regarldless fiqh.

so if we by sharia no excuse and the one who steal has to cut his hand

the one who kill have to be killed regarless human rights thats if we go by sharia as it is

u got me?

I don't believe in Islam's extended Rules it's not worth explaining that to me because I won't understand it. I don't really understand you my friend so I can't reply! I said Arabic women are beautiful beings and you shouldn't talk so rudely with a Jordanian sister! You are a man and you should have respect and let her alone yes? Ok so if she says anything further to you don't respond It's going to be a shame if this topic gets closed bec I wanted to actually understand the MUTA marriages. I didn't know that disgusting contract still exists.

sarra this woman u talk about just like to attack poeple for personal aims and desires

i have explained what MUTAH marriage is

it is contract between couple for certain time . it determined in the contract say 15 days or 1 years whatever it is was then after this time pass the marriage not valid and there is not divorce in this marraige

and most of fiqh ulemma forbid it

[mohamed N melinda 0]

since non of her familly isnot muslim or any of her blood was muslim so she were her own wali

[aisha kandisha 0]

since non of her familly isnot muslim or any of her blood was muslim so she were her own wali

Thanks for answering.

Does a wali have to be blood in Egypt? In the U.S., converts regularly use an imam or another upstanding member of the community to represent them as a wali.

[~Jackie~ 30]

Thank you t and a for the information on the reason Egypt was not excepting marriages. I learn something new everyday. So it was just a few months and over a form....wow.

I imagine alot of people took the other route, waiting til it was legal, if they indeed wanted to have the wedding in Egypt.

Jackie