Anyone watching Larry King?

[nane1104 146]

How are women who are in an abusive situation themselves, cut off from society supposed to object to abuses exactly? Particularly when most of them were also 'born into' this situation and have been fed the line that this kind of behaviour is not only normal but brings them closer to god?

If they are THAT brainwashed, then they for sure shouldn't be with their children! The saftey of the children should be priority here!!!

Of course it is sad and dramatic and I feel for these women. In their eyes, they haven't done anything wrong.

But when I saw how they tried to get around certain question, I am haing my doubts on how naive or not they really are.

I have worked with abused children and I have worked with mothers who watched the abuse and didn't do anything. They all have similar excuses and it makes me sick.

[Peikko 1,575]

I agree, however, I also believe that these children are in danger of being placed out of the frying pan into the fire. There are better ways of dealing with this situation than simply ripping the mothers and children apart. The group as a whole should be de-programed and then they can start to re-build their relationships. It's more difficult with the fathers, but they should be de-programed separately. If this doesn't happen, this group will find a way of starting again and with feelings of victimisation and validation that 'outsiders' are evil.

[LoriLawless 0]

Most of the mothers don't want to leave for one reason or another.

I'd rather see the kids being placed in foster homes, than to be made to stay there.

[Peikko 1,575]

How are women who are in an abusive situation themselves, cut off from society supposed to object to abuses exactly? Particularly when most of them were also 'born into' this situation and have been fed the line that this kind of behaviour is not only normal but brings them closer to god?

If they are THAT brainwashed, then they for sure shouldn't be with their children! The saftey of the children should be priority here!!!

Of course it is sad and dramatic and I feel for these women. In their eyes, they haven't done anything wrong.

But when I saw how they tried to get around certain question, I am haing my doubts on how naive or not they really are.

I have worked with abused children and I have worked with mothers who watched the abuse and didn't do anything. They all have similar excuses and it makes me sick.

Similar excuses? How can anyone who isn't in a 'sect' situation have similar excuses? This isn't a normal case and requires extraodinary measures to cope with it.

[nane1104 146]

Well, I think they had to do something for these children and I believe, it was the best to get them out. Of course it is scary and 400 children are very confused now.

But- maybe that was the only chance to wake these mothers up. MAYBE (I doubt it), some will start thinking and be willing and able to question their believes and get on the right track. If that is the case, I sure agree, that they should get reunited with their children. But ONLY, if they are turning their backs to this horrible community.

[Peikko 1,575]

Most of the mothers don't want to leave for one reason or another.

I'd rather see the kids being placed in foster homes, than to be made to stay there.

Of course they don't want to leave, they don't know any other life. I don't think there should be an option of 'continue as is' but there are ways to de-program people who have become involved in sects and this should be done as a family. Does anyone really expect that say a 14 year old of one of these women is going to be able to adjust to life in the outside world without having this kind of intervention?

[panamania79 2]

That's very judgmental.

Yep, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

These people are insane.

Very insane,indeed !

[nane1104 146]

How are women who are in an abusive situation themselves, cut off from society supposed to object to abuses exactly? Particularly when most of them were also 'born into' this situation and have been fed the line that this kind of behaviour is not only normal but brings them closer to god?

If they are THAT brainwashed, then they for sure shouldn't be with their children! The saftey of the children should be priority here!!!

Of course it is sad and dramatic and I feel for these women. In their eyes, they haven't done anything wrong.

But when I saw how they tried to get around certain question, I am haing my doubts on how naive or not they really are.

I have worked with abused children and I have worked with mothers who watched the abuse and didn't do anything. They all have similar excuses and it makes me sick.

Similar excuses? How can anyone who isn't in a 'sect' situation have similar excuses? This isn't a normal case and requires extraodinary measures to cope with it.

Similar doesn't mean they were in a religious cult or anything like that, but a lot of the women I worked with were saying that they believed it was okay what happened. (For whatever crazy reason.)

However, yes, alot of women whos children are getting abused by a father or other male person around, say that they let it happen out of fear or simply because if the man raped the child, he wouldn't rape her, so it was helping them.

And who says, this isn't the case with these women, but subconciously, they use their religion to justify their non-actions? If they grew up in hat invironment, they should know how it feels to be abused as a child or teenager!?

[Peikko 1,575]

I guess what I am saying is that simply fostering these children is not going to change anything for the better. They are indoctrinated and so are the women. All these people need to be de-programed or nothing will change for them. The very youngest children are being allowed to stay with their mothers and these are the most likely to be able to re adjust quickly if they were not in the abusive environment. The older children have spent years 'learning' the ways of the community and while superficially, they might adopt the ways of the outside, inside they are going to be extremely confused.

[LoriLawless 0]

Most of the mothers don't want to leave for one reason or another.

I'd rather see the kids being placed in foster homes, than to be made to stay there.

Of course they don't want to leave, they don't know any other life. I don't think there should be an option of 'continue as is' but there are ways to de-program people who have become involved in sects and this should be done as a family. Does anyone really expect that say a 14 year old of one of these women is going to be able to adjust to life in the outside world without having this kind of intervention?

I agree, but if the mother isn't willing to leave in order to keep her children, than what can be done?

Even if they were permitted to keep their children after leaving, what's to stop them from going right back with the child?

I think, in time, a 14 year old could adjust fine.

[nane1104 146]

I have just watched a docu about young men, teenagers who were abandoned by those people. I guess they abandon the older boys to make "room" for the girls.

THese young men testified that it took them a little while to adjust to live in the "outside world", but that it took only so long and that they are very glad to be away.

Children have an amazing ability to adjust to knew invironments.

I am NOT saying, this isn't tragic and separating children from their parents is no big deal. It definitley is, but I have to say, at some point they will know that it was for their best.

Just last week I got back in touch with a young girl I had in my foster care group. She and all her siblings got taken away from her mother because the new "dad" was abusive. When I worked there, they were all having a really bad time dealing with the situation, they didn't understand and they were not seeing any wrong in their mom doings.

And last week she writes me, has a child now and a good life and being thankful for what we did for her and that now she sees.

I just wanted to give this as an examle that even a bad and sad situation can turn into something very good.

[Peikko 1,575]

How are women who are in an abusive situation themselves, cut off from society supposed to object to abuses exactly? Particularly when most of them were also 'born into' this situation and have been fed the line that this kind of behaviour is not only normal but brings them closer to god?

If they are THAT brainwashed, then they for sure shouldn't be with their children! The saftey of the children should be priority here!!!

Of course it is sad and dramatic and I feel for these women. In their eyes, they haven't done anything wrong.

But when I saw how they tried to get around certain question, I am haing my doubts on how naive or not they really are.

I have worked with abused children and I have worked with mothers who watched the abuse and didn't do anything. They all have similar excuses and it makes me sick.

Similar excuses? How can anyone who isn't in a 'sect' situation have similar excuses? This isn't a normal case and requires extraodinary measures to cope with it.

Similar doesn't mean they were in a religious cult or anything like that, but a lot of the women I worked with were saying that they believed it was okay what happened. (For whatever crazy reason.)

However, yes, alot of women whos children are getting abused by a father or other male person around, say that they let it happen out of fear or simply because if the man raped the child, he wouldn't rape her, so it was helping them.

And who says, this isn't the case with these women, but subconciously, they use their religion to justify their non-actions? If they grew up in hat invironment, they should know how it feels to be abused as a child or teenager!?

I am quite surprised at your attitude for someone working in this area. It seems as though you believe that these women are also to blame for the child abuse inflicted by a man if they know about it and don't react by getting out of the situation.

I thought it was well known that abusive people are extremely manipulative and controlling. I also thought that the authorities were pretty understanding of a women's position in an abusive relationship and try to help them, not punish women for being manipulated and controlled themselves?

[Aymerlu 3]

i watched a little of it. i felt they were saying the same things over and over...we want our childern...they belong with their mothers too. even the way they talked was the same. the same voice. the same way they pronounced words.

my husband kept saying thats not right..america is supose to be a free country. they are not bothering anyone.

i still havent heard why they are keeping the children? i know they are hunting lawyers for them but why?

I thought that was strange. They all sounded very programmed to me. The hair is what gets me! I heard today that the bigger the duck looking thing in front of the head is, the higher regarded they are.

[Heracles 417]

I thought that was strange. They all sounded very programmed to me. The hair is what gets me! I heard today that the bigger the duck looking thing in front of the head is, the higher regarded they are.

:rofl: :rofl:

Edited April 17, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Peikko 1,575]

I would have thought it was easier to adapt if you have been abandoned by your abusers than if you are one of the girls and therefore central to the activity of the abusers.