Non-Muslims married to Muslim MENA

[Ban Hammer 13,109]

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

while you are busy waiting, you still have yet to address my post here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry1769721

[catknit 144]

John Chapter 14 does open the proverbial can of worms on the Christian end of this argument as does the trinity question.

There is this whole concept of being what considered an Inclusive Christian - my understanding of this is limited but pretty much it's a school of thought [regardless of denomination] that looks at the promises of salvation by God pertaining to any man - inclusive of those thru time who had no way of knowing about Jesus and his teachings. Scholars working in this genre of theological thinking use the story of the Magi as their case in point. The Magi were thought to be Zoroastrians from Persia that God led to seek Jesus using their own method of religious practice - reading the stars. The conclusion drawn by the scholars pretty simple, God is everywhere and it's a work in progress to get all mankind on the same page - people not familiar with God may be asking for help but do not necessarily know they are asking the God we Christians know for help, and that God is listening and working thru them. Also, those who live righteously and had good lives will get saved by the grace of God, as promised.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the book of John isn't considered one of the synoptic books. If you read the books of the Gospel [Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John] and truly compare them you will see that John is written in a completely different style - chock full of "I am..." statements you see no where else. I'm not saying that what is said is to be out right questioned but it's not a historical type book, more of a tool to try and set up the trinity that was written much later than the other books of the Gosel. If you look thru Christian history, you can see that the trinity was a device created to help lay people understand the divinity of Jesus.

Plus, if you look at Acts 10, Peter with his vision about clean v. unclean, it's pretty clear that no man is considered unclean or unwelcomed. I guess you can argue whether that means they can marry a Christian...for me, personally the answer is yes. To be unevenly yoked [the battle cry of Christians who say you can NOT marry outside], I wonder if their spouse came from the exact same ethnic-racial background, the same socio-economic background, have the same level education, and the exact same spiritual/religious beliefs. Otherwise, I'd say they are unevenly yoked too. [King James Version 2Cor 6:14].

[Alhamdulillah 0]

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

[Sofiyya 1,687]

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

Lots of people get it, but you pretend that I said nothing because you can't agree with me and admit you were wrong. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink.

If your woman is happy with a fake Islamic marriage, then she's happy. You taught her well not to respect the laws of your Muslim country. That's part of a great Islamic education.

Not!

[Bassi and Zainab 1]

Also, christians and jews also prefer that you marry within your own religeon, the only reason that its such a hot topic with muslims, is because many myslims are still practice same way as they have thousands of years ago.

I think that the reason it's such a hot topic with "some" muslims (primarily ME/NA msulims) is because of the fact that religious law and secular law are one and the same. The government of many of these countries interpret religious law to apply over the country and blurs the lines between the Word of God and the Laws of the Land. While America is a christian country, the laws are not directly derived from the bible, therefore, the biblical laws aren't getting interpreted an applied with a soverignty as it is in these countries. That's the main reason I haven't participated in this discussion, because the way ME/NA muslims practice islam is different from the rest of the world.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

the way ME/NA muslims practice islam is different from the rest of the world.

No! But, Islam belongs to us!

[sarahaziz 0]

MENA people have originated out of Islam, if anyone who has just converted try's to defend their acts against Islam b/c of "personal hardship" that's for God to Judge but in PEOPLES eyes it will always be wrong. Allah (God) is seen as the Almighty Creator what he has taught through any religious book has to be considered Holy and taken care of with respect. That's their business though. They shouldn't get angry on an online forum for visa questions because there's going to be a heck lot more of people who will judge them when aware of their marriage. People will always judge/assume especially with Americans marrying with MENA spouses. unfortunately, that's something you can't stop.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

Lots of people get it, but you pretend that I said nothing because you can't agree with me and admit you were wrong. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink.

If your woman is happy with a fake Islamic marriage, then she's happy. You taught her well not to respect the laws of your Muslim country. That's part of a great Islamic education.

Not!

i knew u will find way to escape as awlays

now u saying fake islamic marriage without any evdence dont you think poeple that insult me without evidence dont u consider that personal attack again and again??

ok i wont be mad anymore but i asked her to show from quraan and she couldnot

whats your open in that????????????????????????

now she show her real face

it is enough for me in this thread

salam for all

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Buh bye, Mo. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Well I think both sides have pretty much presented their arguments. Unless anyone has anything new to bring to the discussion, it's just getting repetitive.

Or is this a contest to see who gets the last word ?

If so, I hope I win !!!

[SaadBell 0]

wife_of_mahmoud - I will fight ya for it girl

[Ihavequestions 419]

Well I think both sides have pretty much presented their arguments.

I'm not quite done. On the other thread, I asked melinda and mohammed a question: Who is in possession of their marriage papers?

[LaL 418]

Well I think both sides have pretty much presented their arguments. Unless anyone has anything new to bring to the discussion, it's just getting repetitive.

I do agree, and closing this thread at this time. I would also advise those in the trenches (so to speak) be a little kinder to each other.