Non-Muslims married to Muslim MENA

[Aymerlu 3]

Wow, I have a headache! I'm gonna take my christian butt and eat lunch with my muslim husband now.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

charles i got pizza again

teaser!

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Am I on time for pizza today? I still have spaghettios stuck in my teeth from yesterday.

well its pretty yuky from yesterday, i just picked off the topings so doubt you want, and u dont brush your teeth between then and now? surely theres a rule for that we can discuss....i may call my muslim husband hes prob home having some coffee about now

[allousa 1]

The fight over that holy land goes way way back. I understand your point of view, but I also suggest you read further back in history. Posting modern links it's not relevant. It's just sugar coating the fight b/t Palestine and Israel in my opinion.

Did you even read the links ? Because they cover ancient history as well.

But in a nutshell, there *were* no battles over the Holy Land between Jews and Palestinian Arabs -- not until modern times.

It sounds like a good subject to research personally someday. News from Tv or Online I just don't believe them so quickly like that. Anybody can write up a report and post it and if you lookup from other sites you're going to find history notes contradict each other. They usually have facade to it or incorrect information unless somebody thoroughly analyzes it. Not saying your wrong I just don't buy it just yet.

You definitely need to research this topic.

My father and mother in law are refugees from Gaza. They had to flee in 1965 due to the Israeli Army invading their village. He still holds a deed to a land that is no longer theirs. I can assure, there was no religion associated with what happened to my husband's family.

More often than not, I too, hear the argument that "Oh, THOSE people have been fighting over that land for thousands of years, what's different?" The fact of the matter is, there was NO FIGHTING prior to the "invasion" of European Jews starting in the 1930's. Jews, Christians AND Muslims lived side by side in peace prior to this time. These comments are usually made by people that have no idea what has transpired there in the last 100 years.

WOM is right though....if this topic is to be discussed at length, it should been done in a different thread as this is not the topic of THIS thread.

I will be more than happy to discuss any questions that you might have concerning this topic as I have spend the last 5 1/2 years in deep study of this issue.

[LaL 418]

Ok guys - this is a known hot topic in this forum. Please display tact when replying and cease the name calling immeditately or this thread may be closed.

Thanks.

[sara..... 371]

So is Egypt mostly a Shiite country? This would explain to me how they would accept this marriage. I am still not totally convinced it is accepted by Islam however, when I see so many different opinions on it. I guess I could read the Quran for myself, but then it would simply be my interpretation of it.

I find it a shame that we have so many Muslims here in the US that pronounce they are Muslim, but go about doing everything that Islam forbids (except eat pork). To many people judge the entire religion on this.

Egypt is not Shiite country........for as long as i have known about Islamic marraige.......(most my life).......religious ceremony in Islam is the legal marraige between two people..... in Islam........the marriage contract is set so that both sides agree to what each other expects from the marraige as in where u live and so on........two witness.......most marriages never get registered with the courts unless there is a reason to at least in Pakistan and a few other countries im not sure about Egypt on that......the reason for registering with a court in most cases is so the embassy of the USA will accept it as a legal marraige.......our laws are different for marraige than what Pakistan or Egypt or any other country for the most part are that is a Muslim country.........the marraiges that are not registered in Pakistan or Egypt are legal in court of that country if there is reason for the wife or the husband to go to the court say for instance to get custody of their children.........but Islam also provides for that as well .........so really all this fighting and debate over what is legal and what is not legal is shadowed for the most part by the laws of the land that people come from.......

It is not hard to follow ur faith in the USA if ur faith is strong......many of us still follow it to the letter as best we can........with out drinking or doing the things that we know is not good for us.........it depends on the persons and how strong their faith is as well as what kind of support they have from family and friends........same as any other religion.......if u make friends with people that are from ur own faith it is much easier to stay true to ur religion........

[brnidokiegurl 0]

This has made 20 pages with out to much of a wreck, alot has been said and learned, dont close it now, just address those you feel out of order

[sara..... 371]

This has made 20 pages with out to much of a wreck, alot has been said and learned, dont close it now, just address those you feel out of order

[morocco4ever 63]

Am I on time for pizza today? I still have spaghettios stuck in my teeth from yesterday.

well its pretty yuky from yesterday, i just picked off the topings so doubt you want, and u dont brush your teeth between then and now? surely theres a rule for that we can discuss....i may call my muslim husband hes prob home having some coffee about now

lol No wonder my husband won't kiss me anymore. (JK)

if u make friends with people that are from ur own faith it is much easier to stay true to ur religion........

I absolutely do NOT want my husband to be friends with the men I know here that are Muslim. Nor does he. I wish he could find some Muslims here that follow their faith.

[sarahaziz 0]

The fight over that holy land goes way way back. I understand your point of view, but I also suggest you read further back in history. Posting modern links it's not relevant. It's just sugar coating the fight b/t Palestine and Israel in my opinion.

Did you even read the links ? Because they cover ancient history as well.

But in a nutshell, there *were* no battles over the Holy Land between Jews and Palestinian Arabs -- not until modern times.

It sounds like a good subject to research personally someday. News from Tv or Online I just don't believe them so quickly like that. Anybody can write up a report and post it and if you lookup from other sites you're going to find history notes contradict each other. They usually have facade to it or incorrect information unless somebody thoroughly analyzes it. Not saying your wrong I just don't buy it just yet.

You definitely need to research this topic.

My father and mother in law are refugees from Gaza. They had to flee in 1965 due to the Israeli Army invading their village. He still holds a deed to a land that is no longer theirs. I can assure, there was no religion associated with what happened to my husband's family.

More often than not, I too, hear the argument that "Oh, THOSE people have been fighting over that land for thousands of years, what's different?" The fact of the matter is, there was NO FIGHTING prior to the "invasion" of European Jews starting in the 1930's. Jews, Christians AND Muslims lived side by side in peace prior to this time. These comments are usually made by people that have no idea what has transpired there in the last 100 years.

WOM is right though....if this topic is to be discussed at length, it should been done in a different thread as this is not the topic of THIS thread.

I will be more than happy to discuss any questions that you might have concerning this topic as I have spend the last 5 1/2 years in deep study of this issue.

I understand, if there is a such new thread it'd be interesting to read. This is my last post on this subject since it's off topic but I really didn't want to start a new post. I think we are not on the same track because I am referring biblically. Correct me if I'm wrong but I see only Years from 1800-1900's and there after. Muslims Christians Jews yes we were and still are all Brothers/Sisters. I am Christian and my views are based on the bible I think that's why we are departing from views. Quick note of my thoughts - Abraham 2 sons Ishmael (muslim) Isaac (Jew) From Abraham's Land of Canaan given by God to Isaac to his son Jacob which was Israel. Palestine wasn't known at that time. So Land of Canaan aka Promised Land= Given to Israel

God defines the borders but I nor any other in this life can Compare to God's wisdom and works. I'm not trying to conform you into my view but I am informing you what I strictly believe.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Non-Muslims married to Muslim MENA, What are some of the issues to this relationship?

[Hanna&Mohamed 0]

I won't even go into the religious discussion, since I am far from versed in it. I do have my ideas and opinions of what is right and wrong.

I can see that getting married in Egypt is not an easy task. On the other hand, if these marriages that are not legally recoginized are not accepted by Islam then trying to justify why you married in that manor is basically justifying having sex, nothing more nothing less. Since I don't know much about Islam I really can't say for sure.

Don't get me wrong, anyone can do what they want, I don't have a problem with that, and if that is your choice then it really is none of my business, nor will I try to put your down for your choices. To each his own, I am just voicing my opinion, that is all.

Like I said, I am not well versed in Islam, but I have known both Sunni and Shiite men. My husband, who is Sunni, does not believe in this kind of marriage. The men I know that are Shiite have been married in this fashion (in the state I live in). One of these men confided in me and told me that it isn't a real marriage, but it is an agreement with God to have sex with a friend, nothing more nothing less. He told me that men here are doing these marriages because the women here don't understand it and will take care of all of their needs (cooking, cleaning, money, etc) without the real committment. Their ultimate goal was to eventually go back to their country and find a "woman that derserves them" (his words). My friend married one of these men in this fashion. She told me that with this marriage there is a time frame for the life of the marriage. In her case it was 2 years. Weird to me but whatever. He used her for a place to live, washing cooking, money while he went out with many many other women. Now he left her for another woman. He has the same type marriage with this new woman, and 3 kids with her as well (2 of them were born while he was still with my friend).

Isn't this a little screwed up? I just can't see the validity of a marriage like this. If this is the acceptable manner of this type of marriage I will pass.

Sorry if this offends anyone, I really don't judge any of your choices, its just my view.

I won't even go into the religious discussion, since I am far from versed in it. I do have my ideas and opinions of what is right and wrong.

I can see that getting married in Egypt is not an easy task. On the other hand, if these marriages that are not legally recoginized are not accepted by Islam then trying to justify why you married in that manor is basically justifying having sex, nothing more nothing less. Since I don't know much about Islam I really can't say for sure.

Don't get me wrong, anyone can do what they want, I don't have a problem with that, and if that is your choice then it really is none of my business, nor will I try to put your down for your choices. To each his own, I am just voicing my opinion, that is all.

Like I said, I am not well versed in Islam, but I have known both Sunni and Shiite men. My husband, who is Sunni, does not believe in this kind of marriage. The men I know that are Shiite have been married in this fashion (in the state I live in). One of these men confided in me and told me that it isn't a real marriage, but it is an agreement with God to have sex with a friend, nothing more nothing less. He told me that men here are doing these marriages because the women here don't understand it and will take care of all of their needs (cooking, cleaning, money, etc) without the real committment. Their ultimate goal was to eventually go back to their country and find a "woman that derserves them" (his words). My friend married one of these men in this fashion. She told me that with this marriage there is a time frame for the life of the marriage. In her case it was 2 years. Weird to me but whatever. He used her for a place to live, washing cooking, money while he went out with many many other women. Now he left her for another woman. He has the same type marriage with this new woman, and 3 kids with her as well (2 of them were born while he was still with my friend).

Isn't this a little screwed up? I just can't see the validity of a marriage like this. If this is the acceptable manner of this type of marriage I will pass.

Sorry if this offends anyone, I really don't judge any of your choices, its just my view.

the Islamic marraige is legal in Egypt but it can not be registered with the court unless the embassy gives a papers basicly giving permission for the usa citizen.......Egypt laws not usa laws.......but in the eyes of Islam the couple is married even if it is not recorded in the court it is recorded in the mosque and there is a marraige contract that makes it completely legal in always accept in the usa embassy because it was not registered with the court thats usa laws not Egypt law.........i hope that helps clear it up some

So is Egypt mostly a Shiite country? This would explain to me how they would accept this marriage. I am still not totally convinced it is accepted by Islam however, when I see so many different opinions on it. I guess I could read the Quran for myself, but then it would simply be my interpretation of it.

I find it a shame that we have so many Muslims here in the US that pronounce they are Muslim, but go about doing everything that Islam forbids (except eat pork). To many people judge the entire religion on this.

Egypt isnot shiite country..

and islamic marriage is accepted in Egypt by the court . even it isnot certify by the court but if u go to the court by islamic marriage contract so they accept it. and if u want it to be certified they will accept it. we already had non obejection from the embassy but when we went to marry legaly they didnot allow it then we filed k1

and after she came back again to Egypt we wanted to marry legal in court after they allowed it but it would mess our papers up for k1 and we were filed for 4 months alraedy

first of all we know our marriage was islmaically legall HALAL 1000% and i dont have to give excuse and evidence but women such as virtual wife just like to attack as it is best way to defense. she souldnot defense her belief about non muslim women marry muslim men so she came and attack my marriage and doubted in it. she just want me to get mad lol she can try . but her words is nothing for me. cause she deny even some yat of quran and want to make her own law to make excuse for what she did ( marry non muslim men)

as all muslim nation say marriage between non muslim and muslim women is HARAM she come and say no it is halal she wants to set her own islamic law which serve her own desire. and yes there is some muslim use that for own thier desire and wants . to allow them to sleep with women or women to sleep with men but it depend on the person him/herself.

what virtual wife say and do make me so sad and in same time it make many non muslims confusing about islam. but what can i say more ALLAH FOR SURE WILL PUNISH HER for that

wish every one have great day

peace for all

[Ihavequestions 419]

Anybody want bobcorn? I'm buying.

[jpaula 20]

To this non-Muslim, the biggest problem with Islam as practiced today is the watering down of what is an intellectually rigorous religion and the lack of personal responsibility that accompanies this. Had I dedicted my life to studying my own religion and then watched it become the sloppy recitation of either husbands or online "scholars" that is often presented here (and, in my exererience, elsewhere as well), I would be raging mad and I would stand up to it. The fact remains that no one here except VW has explained their own beliefs with any kind of Quranic backing nor with their own reasoning. Agree or disagree, but do so with some original thought and without resorting to personal attacks. Or, we should just move on as the discussion will lead no where.

[SaadBell 0]

what can i say more ALLAH FOR SURE WILL PUNISH HER for that

Wow, now if that isn't love, than I don't know what is We will never achieve peace with people telling each other that God will be punishing you. Yea, don't you feel the love? Where is the love, compassion for fellow human beings period? Why can't we just love one another? Sad, we humans just keep hating each other over something that there is absolutely no empirical evidence to support any of the religions. But yet, that doesn’t stop us, oh no, forget about science, critical thinking, who needs that. That is one thing that turns me off any religion; there is always some kind of bloodshed in the name of God. Tragic waste of human life, I hope there will be a day we can all be loving humans without the threat of never ending hell.