Non-Muslims married to Muslim MENA

[morocco4ever 63]

whoooo, ok I take offense to being calling a fornicator

Wow, what did I miss?????????? Fornicator is sooooooooooooooo archaic sounding, like the burning of witches in Salam.

This is what happen to one poor women in Iran, they said she was a fornicator, so they stoned her to death, yea that is really nice. What kind of people can stand by and watch something like this? Is this love? It is barbic and evil, I am not sure I would want to worship a God that states this is OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Can you imagine the pain and the fear this women felt as she was being stoned to death as her children watched. When will this madness end????

thats not maddness Ganja_Girl

thats the islamic law as any married woman is caught do sex with someone not her hubby and there was 2 witness and it was confirmed so she should be stoned till death thats for married men and women . for single it is just 80 strick on back .

i agree it is painful but if any one know that there wont be any women have sex outside marriage or while she is married to another men

so plz dont say madness cause it is insult to all muslims believe

Hmmm....I thought I heard that there needed to be 4 witnesses to the act. Now lets see, did this women say come one come all, watch me fornicate! Hence now we have witnesses.

So since this is humane in your belief what are your plans when you come here? What if your wife is suspected of fornication, and there are 2 (or 4) people who come forth and testify to this. Will you stone your wife (or whatever she is) to death?

So am I too late for pizza and popcorn?

[ya falaha! 0]

In all fairness to Mohamed, he didn't say that he would do such a thing. He simply said that it's Islamic law.

[jpaula 20]

It is madness. And, it is a madness that is allowed to continute because people rely on scholars to understand their own religion. As I understand it, stoning is not found on the Quran. It is supported by hadith that contradict the Quran. Please, show me where in the Quran is it stated that stoning is punishment for anything? What does the Quran say is punishment for Zina?

Why is it that all of these discussion devolve into long scholar block quotes? Can no one other than VW show their own reasoning and knowledge of their own beliefs? It gets to be rather maddening. And, it is repeated here all too often. Let's spare ourselves another go round. Do a search for the previous posts on interfaith marriages. There are many. I think VW has laid out a pretty good case. Read it and judge for yourself. Or don't. But, please, please, please, long block quotes from scholars get really tiring.

[sarahaziz 0]

It is madness. And, it is a madness that is allowed to continute because people rely on scholars to understand their own religion. As I understand it, stoning is not found on the Quran. It is supported by hadith that contradict the Quran. Please, show me where in the Quran is it stated that stoning is punishment for anything? What does the Quran say is punishment for Zina?

Why is it that all of these discussion devolve into long scholar block quotes? Can no one other than VW show their own reasoning and knowledge of their own beliefs? It gets to be rather maddening. And, it is repeated here all too often. Let's spare ourselves another go round. Do a search for the previous posts on interfaith marriages. There are many. I think VW has laid out a pretty good case. Read it and judge for yourself. Or don't. But, please, please, please, long block quotes from scholars get really tiring.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

whoooo, ok I take offense to being calling a fornicator

Wow, what did I miss?????????? Fornicator is sooooooooooooooo archaic sounding, like the burning of witches in Salam.

This is what happen to one poor women in Iran, they said she was a fornicator, so they stoned her to death, yea that is really nice. What kind of people can stand by and watch something like this? Is this love? It is barbic and evil, I am not sure I would want to worship a God that states this is OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Can you imagine the pain and the fear this women felt as she was being stoned to death as her children watched. When will this madness end????

thats not maddness Ganja_Girl

thats the islamic law as any married woman is caught do sex with someone not her hubby and there was 2 witness and it was confirmed so she should be stoned till death thats for married men and women . for single it is just 80 strick on back .

i agree it is painful but if any one know that there wont be any women have sex outside marriage or while she is married to another men

so plz dont say madness cause it is insult to all muslims believe

Hmmm....I thought I heard that there needed to be 4 witnesses to the act. Now lets see, did this women say come one come all, watch me fornicate! Hence now we have witnesses.

So since this is humane in your belief what are your plans when you come here? What if your wife is suspected of fornication, and there are 2 (or 4) people who come forth and testify to this. Will you stone your wife (or whatever she is) to death?

So am I too late for pizza and popcorn?

pizza is gone

[Aymerlu 3]

whoooo, ok I take offense to being calling a fornicator

Wow, what did I miss?????????? Fornicator is sooooooooooooooo archaic sounding, like the burning of witches in Salam.

This is what happen to one poor women in Iran, they said she was a fornicator, so they stoned her to death, yea that is really nice. What kind of people can stand by and watch something like this? Is this love? It is barbic and evil, I am not sure I would want to worship a God that states this is OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Can you imagine the pain and the fear this women felt as she was being stoned to death as her children watched. When will this madness end????

thats not maddness Ganja_Girl

thats the islamic law as any married woman is caught do sex with someone not her hubby and there was 2 witness and it was confirmed so she should be stoned till death thats for married men and women . for single it is just 80 strick on back .

i agree it is painful but if any one know that there wont be any women have sex outside marriage or while she is married to another men

so plz dont say madness cause it is insult to all muslims believe

Does this happen to men if they get caught cheating????

[morocco4ever 63]

In all fairness to Mohamed, he didn't say that he would do such a thing. He simply said that it's Islamic law.

Perhaps I am reading it wrong, but I get the feeling that he accepts this type of treatment as fair. I

can't help but question these witnesses. I suspect there have been punishments to people (be it a man or a woman) based on witnesses that are liars. Do you think that if I chose to cheat on my husband that there would be people actually watching?

whoooo, ok I take offense to being calling a fornicator

Wow, what did I miss?????????? Fornicator is sooooooooooooooo archaic sounding, like the burning of witches in Salam.

This is what happen to one poor women in Iran, they said she was a fornicator, so they stoned her to death, yea that is really nice. What kind of people can stand by and watch something like this? Is this love? It is barbic and evil, I am not sure I would want to worship a God that states this is OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. Can you imagine the pain and the fear this women felt as she was being stoned to death as her children watched. When will this madness end????

thats not maddness Ganja_Girl

thats the islamic law as any married woman is caught do sex with someone not her hubby and there was 2 witness and it was confirmed so she should be stoned till death thats for married men and women . for single it is just 80 strick on back .

i agree it is painful but if any one know that there wont be any women have sex outside marriage or while she is married to another men

so plz dont say madness cause it is insult to all muslims believe

Hmmm....I thought I heard that there needed to be 4 witnesses to the act. Now lets see, did this women say come one come all, watch me fornicate! Hence now we have witnesses.

So since this is humane in your belief what are your plans when you come here? What if your wife is suspected of fornication, and there are 2 (or 4) people who come forth and testify to this. Will you stone your wife (or whatever she is) to death?

So am I too late for pizza and popcorn?

pizza is gone

See what happens when you live in a different time zone...the easterners eat all the good stuff and I am left with spaghettios.

[SaadBell 0]

THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC CONDEMNS A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TO STONING

By Safa Haeri Iran Press Service Posted Saturday, October 16, 2004 According to Iranian and foreign press, Zhila Izadi, a 13 year old girl from the north-western city of Marivan had been condemned to death by stoning after being found that she had been pregnant from her 15 years-old brother. The independent Iranian online newspaper "Peyke Iran" (www.peykeiran.com) that had first revealed the news last week reported on Saturday 16 October 2004 that the girl has given birth two weeks ago in prison, but the young girl had been separated from her new born baby after the birth. The father, a devout Muslim, informed the authorities about the "disgrace" the young girl had caused the family. While Zhila as been sentenced to stoning, her brother, jailed in Tehran, is to receive only 150 lashes, in accordance with Islamic laws.

On August 10, 1994, in the city of Arak, a woman was sentenced to death by stoning. According to the ruling of the religious judge, her husband and two children were forced to attend the execution. The woman urged her husband to take the children away, but to no avail. A truck full of stones was brought in to be used during the stoning. In the middle of the stoning, although her eyes had been gouged out, the victim was able to escape from the ditch and started running away, but the regime's guards recaptured her and shot her to death.

Kayhan, October 4, 1986, reported that a 25-year-old woman named Nosrat was stoned to death in the city of Qom. She died after an hour of continuous stoning.

The penalty for adultery under Article 83 of the penal code, called the Law of Hodoud is flogging (100 lashes of the whip) for unmarried male and female offenders. Married offenders may be punished by stoning regardless of their gender, but the method laid down for a man involves his burial up to his waist, and for a woman up to her neck (article 102). The law provides that if a person who is to be stoned manages to escape, he or she will be allowed to go free. Since it is easier for a man to escape, this discrimination literally becomes a matter of life and death.

Interestingly, Article 6 (2) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which Iran has ratified, states: "Sentence of death may be imposed only for the most serious crimes in accordance with the law in force at the time of the commission of the crime." Offenses for which the Law of Hodoud provides the death penalty do not involve murder or serious bodily harm, constituting the "most serious crimes".

Article 104 of the Law of Hodoud provides that the stones should not be so large that a person dies after being hit with two of them, nor so small as to be defined as pebbles, but must cause severe injury. This makes it clear that the purpose of stoning is to inflict grievous pain on the victim, in a process leading to his or her slow death.

[sarahaziz 0]

I know for a fact if you are Male/Female caught alone with someone elses spouse in Algeria you go to Jail.

I'm scared to think what can happen if a handful of extremists catch somebody in the act. I'd get angry if they let the man pray and apologize and kill the woman.

Edited April 17, 2008 by sarahaziz

[doodlebugg 10]

I don't think any punishment in this life can even compare to that which will happen in the hereafter.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

Upon the testimony of four witnesses, or if the husband caught his wife in the act, he is to swear "by Allah four times that he is truthful and the fifth that Allah's damnation be brought upon him if he was lying", the adulterer and adulteress are to be punished. It is said that the wife would be given the final word and would acquit herself completely if she takes a counter-oath "swearing four times by Allah that the man is a liar, and the fifth that Allah's damnation be brought upon her if he was truthful". Those who falsely accuse chaste women are to be flogged with 80 stripes (an-Nur 24:4-10). Though adultery is mostly considered a grave sin in Islam, in certain situations Muhammad commanded his followers to commit adultery!

Much controversy has surrounded the source of the punishment for adultery. The penalty prescribed in the Qur'an is 100 stripes (an-Nur 24:2). However, Muslim jurists have made a distinction between pre-marital sex and extra-martial affairs. Some traditions say that the verse is missing from the Qur'an. The sharia rests its authority on the hadiths to prescribe the penalty of stoning for married adulterers.

Umar recalls that Stoning verse was sent down by God as part of Scripture (Qur'an):

* ``Umar in his reign as Caliph recalled that "God sent Muhammad and sent down the Scripture to him. Part of what he sent down was the passage on stoning, we read it, we were taught it, and we heeded it. The apostle stoned and we stoned them after him. I fear that in time to come men will say that they find no mention of stoning in God's book and thereby go astray in neglecting an ordinance which God has sent down. Verily stoning in the book of God is a penalty laid on married men and women who commit adultery."'' (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah, tr. Guillaume, p. 684) (Also, Sahih Bukhari 93.21, Muslim, Hudud 1691, Tirmizi, Hudud 8.1431, Abu Dawud 41.1, Itkan 2.34)

Umar confirm that the Stoning verse was in the Book of God.

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

..... In the meantime, 'Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, 'Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said, "Now then, I am going to tell you something which (Allah) has written for me to say. I do not know; perhaps it portends my death, so whoever understands and remembers it, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, but if somebody is afraid that he does not understand it, then it is unlawful for him to tell lies about me. Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam, the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.

I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, 'By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession. And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.' (Sahih Bukhari 8.817)

Similar reports were recorded by Imam Ahmad in part one of his Musnad (in the Musnad of Umar under the caption of the hadith Al-Saqeefah, pages 47 and 55). Ibn Hisham recorded similar things in his Sirah of the Prophet, part 2, page 658 (second printing, 1955).

certain verses were lost, including the Stoning verse,

* ``Again, there is a tradition from A'isha, the propet's wife, that a certain chapter which now consists of 73 verses once contained no less than 200, and that when 'Uthman compiled the Quran the missing verses could not be found. One of them was called the Verse of Stoning, and is said to have contained the order to stone a man or woman who had committed adultery. It cannot be affirmed with any certainty that this verse ever formed part of the Quran; it is more likely that it was either a genuine hadith of the prophet or very early invention of one of his followers. The fact remains that this verse is said to have been part of the original Qur'an. Many early authorities say so, and what is very significant is that the first Caliphs punished adultery by stoning; this is still the penalty prescribed in Muslim law-books, whereas the Quran (an-Nur 24:2) prescribes a hundred stripes. In this case there is not sufficient evidence in favour of abrogation to claim it as proof, though it remains to be explained why, if the Quranic penalty is scourging the shari'a should decree stoning.'' (Guillaume, Islam, 2nd ed. 1956, pp. 191)

Some Muslims have tried to explain this away by saying that God's book may not necessarily mean the Qur'an, but simply "the ordinance of God". It is not clear, however, whether such usage are common. One need to ask, what other God's book are there, and is everything binding (as in the case of adultery)?

``'Although Zina covers both fornication and adultery, in the opinion of Muslim jurists, the punishment laid down here applies only to unmarried persons. As for married persons, their punishment, according to the sunnah of the Prophet is stoning to death.'

The recorded tradition states:-

Abdullah bin Umar says that a group of Jews came to the Prophet and said, "A man and a woman of our nation have comitted adultery." The Prophet asked them, "What does the Torah says about pelting stones?" They replied, "We humiliate them and give publicly to their evil act and punish them by flogging." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie. Bring the Torah which also ordains pelting stones." So they brought the Torah and one of them having covered his hand the verse relating to the pelting of stones read out the verse preceding it and the verse after it.

Abdullah bin Salam said, "Take off your hand." And the verse about pelting stones was seen clearly. The Jew said, "Abdullah bin Salam is right. The verse about pelting stones is there." Then the Prophet directed that both the committers of adultery be stoned to death and they met their fate. (traditions collected by Muslim and Bukhari) (In Yusuf Ali's commentary no. 2954 on verse an-Nur 24:2)

"Ubadah ibn Samit reported that the Prophet said, "Take orders from me. Yes take from me orders. The Exalted Allah has fixed a procedure for women. If a virgin commits adultery with a bachelor, she should be punished with one hundred flogs and exiled for one year, and if a married man commits adultery with a married woman, then both of them should be punished with one hundred flogs each and both should be stoned to death." (Muslim)

Other hadiths on stoning for adultery, Sahih Bukhari 2.413, Sahih Bukhari 8.819, Sahih Bukhari 8.805, Sahih Bukhari 8.814.

Khalifites believe that the punishment should be whipping, as given in an-Nur 24:1-10, not stoning as prescribed in the hadiths, following that of the Bible.

[mohamed N melinda 0]

24:2 The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law].

[Nasturtium 500]

So basically the above says that Mohammed went against his own words at times and the Qu'ran is missing parts (thus invalidating the idea that it is perfect and complete and unaltered).

[Hanna&Mohamed 0]

Let me answer your question! I would never do that to my husband ever! Yes he is my husband !

[morocco4ever 63]

Let me answer your question! I would never do that to my husband ever! Yes he is my husband !

The question wasn't "if" you would do that to your husband, I have no doubts that you love him. I was wondering if he condones this type of treatment. Also, according to his post, I was correct that it takes 4 witnesses.

I do have a question however. if he is your husband why are you filing for a K-1 fiance visa?