Unprecedented breach of security, Israeli Shin Bet refuses to cooperate with US Secret Service to protect former President Carter

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

How do you provide security to a tool that wants to go to a terrorists house? Blow it up before he gets there, is all I can think of.

Seriously. Want to visit terrorists? You're on your own. Have fun and watch your head.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who engineered the first and longest-lasting peace accord between Israel and an Arab country, at a time when the two were bitter enemies ?

Anyway, Shimon Peres saw no reason to "shun" Carter -- they met yesterday.

Mahmoud Abbas met with Hamas plenty of times, and Israel isn't "shunning" him.

In fact, a growing number of Israelis are calling on their government to "talk with Hamas" -- including former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy and even the Mayor of Sderot.

A group of prominent Americans, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcraft, Paul Volcker and others, have called for the same thing.

The idea is not so "unheard of" as some would like to think.

[kaydee457 13]

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who engineered the first and longest-lasting peace accord between Israel and an Arab country, at a time when the two were bitter enemies ?

Anyway, Shimon Peres saw no reason to "shun" Carter -- they met yesterday.

Mahmoud Abbas met with Hamas plenty of times, and Israel isn't "shunning" him.

In fact, a growing number of Israelis are calling on their government to "talk with Hamas" -- including former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy and even the Mayor of Sderot.

A group of prominent Americans, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcraft, Paul Volcker and others, have called for the same thing.

The idea is not so "unheard of" as some would like to think.

Sure, a negotiation engineered collectively by the State Dept. and scripted by the incumbant U.S. president.

Now this egotistical idjit goes off on his own, to project his own foreign policy, ignoring the State Dept. , Israel, and the U.S. President.........

It seems to be something that democrats drink in their water!

Edited April 15, 2008 by kaydee457

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who engineered the first and longest-lasting peace accord between Israel and an Arab country, at a time when the two were bitter enemies ?

Anyway, Shimon Peres saw no reason to "shun" Carter -- they met yesterday.

Mahmoud Abbas met with Hamas plenty of times, and Israel isn't "shunning" him.

In fact, a growing number of Israelis are calling on their government to "talk with Hamas" -- including former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy and even the Mayor of Sderot.

A group of prominent Americans, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcraft, Paul Volcker and others, have called for the same thing.

The idea is not so "unheard of" as some would like to think.

Sure, a negotiation engineered collectively by the State Dept. and scripted by the incumbant U.S. president.

Now this egotistical idjit goes off on his own, to project his own foreign policy, ignoring the State Dept. , Israel, and the U.S. President.........

It seems to be something that democrats drink in their water!

Brent Scowcraft, Shimon Peres, Efraim Halevy and the mayor of Sderot are all Democrats ???? Wow... who would've thunk it ?

Anyway, your version of history is a bit different than most accounts, which give Carter a lot of credit for the agreement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords

[GaryC 7]

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter who engineered the first and longest-lasting peace accord between Israel and an Arab country, at a time when the two were bitter enemies ?

Anyway, Shimon Peres saw no reason to "shun" Carter -- they met yesterday.

Mahmoud Abbas met with Hamas plenty of times, and Israel isn't "shunning" him.

In fact, a growing number of Israelis are calling on their government to "talk with Hamas" -- including former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy and even the Mayor of Sderot.

A group of prominent Americans, including Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcraft, Paul Volcker and others, have called for the same thing.

The idea is not so "unheard of" as some would like to think.

Sure, a negotiation engineered collectively by the State Dept. and scripted by the incumbant U.S. president.

Now this egotistical idjit goes off on his own, to project his own foreign policy, ignoring the State Dept. , Israel, and the U.S. President.........

It seems to be something that democrats drink in their water!

Brent Scowcraft, Shimon Peres, Efraim Halevy and the mayor of Sderot are all Democrats ???? Wow... who would've thunk it ?

Anyway, your version of history is a bit different than most accounts, which give Carter a lot of credit for the agreement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords

He meant that the deal with Isreal and Egypt was done as an official government negotiations. Carter, the president, and the State Department worked together to make the deal. No one is denying that. What Carter is doing now is totaly outside the government and isn't sanctioned by the government. Regardless of his intentions it isn't his job any more.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

He meant that the deal with Isreal and Egypt was done as an official government negotiations. Carter, the president, and the State Department worked together to make the deal. No one is denying that. What Carter is doing now is totaly outside the government and isn't sanctioned by the government. Regardless of his intentions it isn't his job any more.

What's not his job ? I don't think Carter is representing himself as an official envoy of the Bush administration.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What Carter is doing now is totaly outside the government and isn't sanctioned by the government. Regardless of his intentions it isn't his job any more.

He is neither pretending to be part of the current government nor is he dependent on the approval of the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave.

[GaryC 7]

He meant that the deal with Isreal and Egypt was done as an official government negotiations. Carter, the president, and the State Department worked together to make the deal. No one is denying that. What Carter is doing now is totaly outside the government and isn't sanctioned by the government. Regardless of his intentions it isn't his job any more.

What's not his job ? I don't think Carter is representing himself as an official envoy of the Bush administration.

Hamas has been declared a terrorist group and as such diplomatic contact is not allowed. Carter is using his position as a former president in a way that is contrary to the official policy of the government.

[mawilson 2,133]

How do you provide security to a tool that wants to go to a terrorists house? Blow it up before he gets there, is all I can think of.

Or while he's in it.

Either way, you got it right.

[Dan J 277]

He meant that the deal with Isreal and Egypt was done as an official government negotiations. Carter, the president, and the State Department worked together to make the deal. No one is denying that. What Carter is doing now is totaly outside the government and isn't sanctioned by the government. Regardless of his intentions it isn't his job any more.

What's not his job ? I don't think Carter is representing himself as an official envoy of the Bush administration.

Hamas has been declared a terrorist group and as such diplomatic contact is not allowed. Carter is using his position as a former president in a way that is contrary to the official policy of the government.

Diplmatic contact is allowed, providing material support is not.

[GaryC 7]

How do you provide security to a tool that wants to go to a terrorists house? Blow it up before he gets there, is all I can think of.

Or while he's in it.

Either way, you got it right.

I would revoke his passport and not let him go. If he were an alien wanting to get a visa to the US, meeting with Hamas would disqualify him.

Edited April 15, 2008 by GaryC

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Dan + Gemvita has it right.

Being a member of Hamas, or providing them material support, is certainly illegal under current U.S. regulations, and would be grounds for denying a visa to an immigrant or visitor.

However, meeting with Hamas is *not* illegal. LOL if it was, you'd have to arrest a whole lot of journalists and other perfectly law-abiding people.

Jimmy Carter is not violating any U.S. law.

[rebeccajo 14]

How do you provide security to a tool that wants to go to a terrorists house? Blow it up before he gets there, is all I can think of.

Or while he's in it.

Either way, you got it right.

That's just really over the top and unneccessary.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

How do you provide security to a tool that wants to go to a terrorists house? Blow it up before he gets there, is all I can think of.

Or while he's in it.

Either way, you got it right.

That's just really over the top and unneccessary.

Isn't he the same person who was upset over a VJ member saying they wished somebody (a non-member) was dead ?

Interesting.

[William33 110]

Dan + Gemvita has it right.

Being a member of Hamas, or providing them material support, is certainly illegal under current U.S. regulations, and would be grounds for denying a visa to an immigrant or visitor.

However, meeting with Hamas is *not* illegal. LOL if it was, you'd have to arrest a whole lot of journalists and other perfectly law-abiding people.

Jimmy Carter is not violating any U.S. law.

Spot on WOM.

Why does everyone have a problem with a former "Statesman" visiting problematic areas to promote peace?

He is not an "official" of the United States anymore, rather an influential US representative with good intentions.

Official US diplomatic representation is not even in question here.