LA Mayor Villaraigosa warns ICE to back off immigration raids

[mawilson 2,133]

HOW DARE THEY WANT ACCESS TO HIGHER EDUCATION, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.... EEEEEEWWWWWW

Hear hear Charles!

How dare you NOT want to spend your hard-earned tax dollars on some foreign shmuck's education?

Brother mawilson, those who self-identify Chicanos are not 'foreign' or 'illegal'. They are first generation Mexican-Americans, as my children (if we would choose to reproduce) would be.

First-generation Mexican-Americans are U.S. citizens - they have no need to "fight for their rights"

or "demand access" to education. They already have the same rights as everyone else.

Mexican-American schmucks to you, M. Same as the rest of the campus schmucks that get tax and non-tax money at [college of your choice].

See above. I have no beef with U.S.-born Mexican-American shmucks.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

HOW DARE THEY WANT ACCESS TO HIGHER EDUCATION, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.... EEEEEEWWWWWW

Hear hear Charles!

How dare you NOT want to spend your hard-earned tax dollars on some foreign shmuck's education?

Brother mawilson, those who self-identify Chicanos are not 'foreign' or 'illegal'. They are first generation Mexican-Americans, as my children (if we would choose to reproduce) would be.

First-generation Mexican-Americans are U.S. citizens - they have no need to "fight for their rights"

or "demand access" to education. They already have the same rights as everyone else.

Mexican-American schmucks to you, M. Same as the rest of the campus schmucks that get tax and non-tax money at [college of your choice].

See above. I have no beef with U.S.-born Mexican-American shmucks.

Peace bro - you were the one who said "foreign shmuck's education", not me. I was just pointing out what Chicano is. As per they having the same opportunities as anyone else, that is debatable; but indeed they are USC's.

[HAL 9000 96]

HOW DARE THEY WANT ACCESS TO HIGHER EDUCATION, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.... EEEEEEWWWWWW

Hear hear Charles!

How dare you NOT want to spend your hard-earned tax dollars on some foreign shmuck's education?

Brother mawilson, those who self-identify Chicanos are not 'foreign' or 'illegal'. They are first generation Mexican-Americans, as my children (if we would choose to reproduce) would be.

First-generation Mexican-Americans are U.S. citizens - they have no need to "fight for their rights"

or "demand access" to education. They already have the same rights as everyone else.

Mexican-American schmucks to you, M. Same as the rest of the campus schmucks that get tax and non-tax money at [college of your choice].

See above. I have no beef with U.S.-born Mexican-American shmucks.

dang strait hermano.

Viva la Raza papá.

[Ban Hammer 13,365]

From my own experience on more than 3 university campuses where MeChA operates I can tell you that the only objectives that matter to the membership are the ones I highlighted from link #1.

Which is why, precisely, they enjoy university funding for activities that bolster diversity.

As for link #2 its a matter of the typical opinion of their take of what history should be- written by the victors. I may not be a member of that group, nor do I really have any interest in joining or even defending their silly notion that Aztlan is what they say it should be- but I do take serious offense when its used to overshadow what the Mexican-American community has had to endure in a land that has been, to some extent, Mexico up until our nation played with Manifest Destiny.

MeChA has spread because it offers an alternative to traditional cultural imposition and because it offers yet another marginalized group the ability ot network and succeed after high school/college. Like I've said, I've yet to see them pronouncing the evils of American expansionism at the 4-5 activities I've seen over the years. Sure... their old timers may seem a bit radical for non-Mexican tastes... but heck... the street has an opposite direction and could easily be reflected to show the same hate from other groups that clearly focus on the hate part of the equation more than the social improvements MeChA promotes.

maybe your experiences were what they wanted you to see?

It is not the first time M.e.Ch.a has been criticized. The organization took heat last year for sponsoring an event where Labor Leader Dolores Huerta proclaimed Republicans hate Latinos.

link

Aguilar was a student radical at UCLA in the early 1990s, when he joined the reconquista-focused student group M.E.Ch.A, which features the slogan "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," or, "For the Race, everything, for those outside the Race, nothing." He was involved in destroying a teacher's lounge at UCLA in 1993 as part of a protest to force the University to create a Chicano Studies department."

link

RACIST RAZA STUDIES EXPOSED (SCHOOLBOOK- JOSE GUTIERREZ SAYS "KILL THE GRINGO")!

link

Aztlan refers to the American Southwest, specifically the territory of northern Mexico ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 and includes the states of California, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona specifically.

The term is used exclusively by Chicano-rights activists. See the connection yet? Originally applied to the 700 year effort to retake Iberia from the Islamic Moors, Reconquista is a word used to describe a presumed irredentist agenda of Mexican-American and other Hispanic activists to take back those territories ceded to the United States by Mexico after the Mexican-American war in the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This agenda is primarily driven by the efforts of M.E.Ch.A. (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan).

MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán), is an organization that seeks to promote an awareness of Chicano history by education and political action. In Spanish, the word mecha means fuse. The motto of MEChA is La Unión Hace La Fuerza, or "Unity Creates Strength".

MEChA has attracted substantial criticism, with critics claiming that it is an irredentist movement aimed at uniting the Southwestern portion of the United States (including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California) with Mexico , preferably through political means, but through force if necessary. The Mexican Government has denied any territorial claims, of course.

link

M.E.Ch.A.: "Deliberately teaching young Hispanics that they are entitled to everything American without having to work for it or assimilate into our country's culture is counter productive to everything America stands for and should not be tolerated in our public school system. It is an insult to all legal immigrants who work hard to become Americans and love this land, to watch their adopted homeland tolerate the very tyranny they came here to escape."

link

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright.

Just as we would expel FBI or CIA agent provocateurs from our organizations, such opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals must be exposed and expelled to strengthen our Movement.

link

and lastly, from the university of berzerkly.........

A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán,

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.

link

[almaty 19]

viva la raza

[Amby 490]

HOW DARE THEY WANT ACCESS TO HIGHER EDUCATION, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.... EEEEEEWWWWWW

Hear hear Charles!

How dare you NOT want to spend your hard-earned tax dollars on some foreign shmuck's education?

charles is so greedy!

[HAL 9000 96]

From my own experience on more than 3 university campuses where MeChA operates I can tell you that the only objectives that matter to the membership are the ones I highlighted from link #1.

Which is why, precisely, they enjoy university funding for activities that bolster diversity.

As for link #2 its a matter of the typical opinion of their take of what history should be- written by the victors. I may not be a member of that group, nor do I really have any interest in joining or even defending their silly notion that Aztlan is what they say it should be- but I do take serious offense when its used to overshadow what the Mexican-American community has had to endure in a land that has been, to some extent, Mexico up until our nation played with Manifest Destiny.

MeChA has spread because it offers an alternative to traditional cultural imposition and because it offers yet another marginalized group the ability ot network and succeed after high school/college. Like I've said, I've yet to see them pronouncing the evils of American expansionism at the 4-5 activities I've seen over the years. Sure... their old timers may seem a bit radical for non-Mexican tastes... but heck... the street has an opposite direction and could easily be reflected to show the same hate from other groups that clearly focus on the hate part of the equation more than the social improvements MeChA promotes.

maybe your experiences were what they wanted you to see?

It is not the first time M.e.Ch.a has been criticized. The organization took heat last year for sponsoring an event where Labor Leader Dolores Huerta proclaimed Republicans hate Latinos.

link

Aguilar was a student radical at UCLA in the early 1990s, when he joined the reconquista-focused student group M.E.Ch.A, which features the slogan "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," or, "For the Race, everything, for those outside the Race, nothing." He was involved in destroying a teacher's lounge at UCLA in 1993 as part of a protest to force the University to create a Chicano Studies department."

link

RACIST RAZA STUDIES EXPOSED (SCHOOLBOOK- JOSE GUTIERREZ SAYS "KILL THE GRINGO")!

link

Aztlan refers to the American Southwest, specifically the territory of northern Mexico ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 and includes the states of California, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona specifically.

The term is used exclusively by Chicano-rights activists. See the connection yet? Originally applied to the 700 year effort to retake Iberia from the Islamic Moors, Reconquista is a word used to describe a presumed irredentist agenda of Mexican-American and other Hispanic activists to take back those territories ceded to the United States by Mexico after the Mexican-American war in the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This agenda is primarily driven by the efforts of M.E.Ch.A. (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan).

MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán), is an organization that seeks to promote an awareness of Chicano history by education and political action. In Spanish, the word mecha means fuse. The motto of MEChA is La Unión Hace La Fuerza, or "Unity Creates Strength".

MEChA has attracted substantial criticism, with critics claiming that it is an irredentist movement aimed at uniting the Southwestern portion of the United States (including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California) with Mexico , preferably through political means, but through force if necessary. The Mexican Government has denied any territorial claims, of course.

link

M.E.Ch.A.: "Deliberately teaching young Hispanics that they are entitled to everything American without having to work for it or assimilate into our country's culture is counter productive to everything America stands for and should not be tolerated in our public school system. It is an insult to all legal immigrants who work hard to become Americans and love this land, to watch their adopted homeland tolerate the very tyranny they came here to escape."

link

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright.

Just as we would expel FBI or CIA agent provocateurs from our organizations, such opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals must be exposed and expelled to strengthen our Movement.

link

and lastly, from the university of berzerkly.........

A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán,

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.

link

Yes, Charles, I know. Which is why I neither defend that part of their propaganda nor do I rush to defend it. I prefer to stick up for the students.

[Ban Hammer 13,365]

From my own experience on more than 3 university campuses where MeChA operates I can tell you that the only objectives that matter to the membership are the ones I highlighted from link #1.

Which is why, precisely, they enjoy university funding for activities that bolster diversity.

As for link #2 its a matter of the typical opinion of their take of what history should be- written by the victors. I may not be a member of that group, nor do I really have any interest in joining or even defending their silly notion that Aztlan is what they say it should be- but I do take serious offense when its used to overshadow what the Mexican-American community has had to endure in a land that has been, to some extent, Mexico up until our nation played with Manifest Destiny.

MeChA has spread because it offers an alternative to traditional cultural imposition and because it offers yet another marginalized group the ability ot network and succeed after high school/college. Like I've said, I've yet to see them pronouncing the evils of American expansionism at the 4-5 activities I've seen over the years. Sure... their old timers may seem a bit radical for non-Mexican tastes... but heck... the street has an opposite direction and could easily be reflected to show the same hate from other groups that clearly focus on the hate part of the equation more than the social improvements MeChA promotes.

maybe your experiences were what they wanted you to see?

It is not the first time M.e.Ch.a has been criticized. The organization took heat last year for sponsoring an event where Labor Leader Dolores Huerta proclaimed Republicans hate Latinos.

link

Aguilar was a student radical at UCLA in the early 1990s, when he joined the reconquista-focused student group M.E.Ch.A, which features the slogan "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," or, "For the Race, everything, for those outside the Race, nothing." He was involved in destroying a teacher's lounge at UCLA in 1993 as part of a protest to force the University to create a Chicano Studies department."

link

RACIST RAZA STUDIES EXPOSED (SCHOOLBOOK- JOSE GUTIERREZ SAYS "KILL THE GRINGO")!

link

Aztlan refers to the American Southwest, specifically the territory of northern Mexico ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 and includes the states of California, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona specifically.

The term is used exclusively by Chicano-rights activists. See the connection yet? Originally applied to the 700 year effort to retake Iberia from the Islamic Moors, Reconquista is a word used to describe a presumed irredentist agenda of Mexican-American and other Hispanic activists to take back those territories ceded to the United States by Mexico after the Mexican-American war in the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This agenda is primarily driven by the efforts of M.E.Ch.A. (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan).

MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán), is an organization that seeks to promote an awareness of Chicano history by education and political action. In Spanish, the word mecha means fuse. The motto of MEChA is La Unión Hace La Fuerza, or "Unity Creates Strength".

MEChA has attracted substantial criticism, with critics claiming that it is an irredentist movement aimed at uniting the Southwestern portion of the United States (including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California) with Mexico , preferably through political means, but through force if necessary. The Mexican Government has denied any territorial claims, of course.

link

M.E.Ch.A.: "Deliberately teaching young Hispanics that they are entitled to everything American without having to work for it or assimilate into our country's culture is counter productive to everything America stands for and should not be tolerated in our public school system. It is an insult to all legal immigrants who work hard to become Americans and love this land, to watch their adopted homeland tolerate the very tyranny they came here to escape."

link

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright.

Just as we would expel FBI or CIA agent provocateurs from our organizations, such opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals must be exposed and expelled to strengthen our Movement.

link

and lastly, from the university of berzerkly.........

A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán,

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.

link

Yes, Charles, I know. Which is why I neither defend that part of their propaganda nor do I rush to defend it. I prefer to stick up for the students.

good. i think the kids are being co-opted for a bigger plan.

[HAL 9000 96]

From my own experience on more than 3 university campuses where MeChA operates I can tell you that the only objectives that matter to the membership are the ones I highlighted from link #1.

Which is why, precisely, they enjoy university funding for activities that bolster diversity.

As for link #2 its a matter of the typical opinion of their take of what history should be- written by the victors. I may not be a member of that group, nor do I really have any interest in joining or even defending their silly notion that Aztlan is what they say it should be- but I do take serious offense when its used to overshadow what the Mexican-American community has had to endure in a land that has been, to some extent, Mexico up until our nation played with Manifest Destiny.

MeChA has spread because it offers an alternative to traditional cultural imposition and because it offers yet another marginalized group the ability ot network and succeed after high school/college. Like I've said, I've yet to see them pronouncing the evils of American expansionism at the 4-5 activities I've seen over the years. Sure... their old timers may seem a bit radical for non-Mexican tastes... but heck... the street has an opposite direction and could easily be reflected to show the same hate from other groups that clearly focus on the hate part of the equation more than the social improvements MeChA promotes.

maybe your experiences were what they wanted you to see?

It is not the first time M.e.Ch.a has been criticized. The organization took heat last year for sponsoring an event where Labor Leader Dolores Huerta proclaimed Republicans hate Latinos.

link

Aguilar was a student radical at UCLA in the early 1990s, when he joined the reconquista-focused student group M.E.Ch.A, which features the slogan "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada," or, "For the Race, everything, for those outside the Race, nothing." He was involved in destroying a teacher's lounge at UCLA in 1993 as part of a protest to force the University to create a Chicano Studies department."

link

RACIST RAZA STUDIES EXPOSED (SCHOOLBOOK- JOSE GUTIERREZ SAYS "KILL THE GRINGO")!

link

Aztlan refers to the American Southwest, specifically the territory of northern Mexico ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 and includes the states of California, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona specifically.

The term is used exclusively by Chicano-rights activists. See the connection yet? Originally applied to the 700 year effort to retake Iberia from the Islamic Moors, Reconquista is a word used to describe a presumed irredentist agenda of Mexican-American and other Hispanic activists to take back those territories ceded to the United States by Mexico after the Mexican-American war in the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This agenda is primarily driven by the efforts of M.E.Ch.A. (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan).

MEChA (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán), is an organization that seeks to promote an awareness of Chicano history by education and political action. In Spanish, the word mecha means fuse. The motto of MEChA is La Unión Hace La Fuerza, or "Unity Creates Strength".

MEChA has attracted substantial criticism, with critics claiming that it is an irredentist movement aimed at uniting the Southwestern portion of the United States (including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California) with Mexico , preferably through political means, but through force if necessary. The Mexican Government has denied any territorial claims, of course.

link

M.E.Ch.A.: "Deliberately teaching young Hispanics that they are entitled to everything American without having to work for it or assimilate into our country's culture is counter productive to everything America stands for and should not be tolerated in our public school system. It is an insult to all legal immigrants who work hard to become Americans and love this land, to watch their adopted homeland tolerate the very tyranny they came here to escape."

link

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright.

Just as we would expel FBI or CIA agent provocateurs from our organizations, such opportunistic organizations, groups, and/or individuals must be exposed and expelled to strengthen our Movement.

link

and lastly, from the university of berzerkly.........

A synopsis of El Plan stipulates: 1) We are Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán reclaiming the land of our birth (Chicana/Chicano Nation); 2) Aztlán belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture

Finally, as Mechistas, we vow to work for the liberation of Aztlán,

Essentially, we are a Chicana and Chicano student movement directly linked to Aztlán. As Chicanas and Chicanos of Aztlán, we are a nationalist movement of Indigenous Gente that lay claim to the land that is ours by birthright. As a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.

link

Yes, Charles, I know. Which is why I neither defend that part of their propaganda nor do I rush to defend it. I prefer to stick up for the students.

good. i think the kids are being co-opted for a bigger plan.

They could be. Fact is, however, that after knowing several card-carrying members I can guarantee the truth here- that that silly platform is not the primary goal of the organization as it stands in 2001, 2004, and 2008. Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

[peejay 327]

Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

Do you really believe that nonsense? Modern day Mexicans have zero claim to modern day USA. The vast expanse of the territory the lunatic fringe claims as "theirs" was unpopulated for the most part. These people weren't driven from it and have no claim to it. Such statements are just a ruse for illegal aliens and their cheerleaders to bamboozle the ignorant and gullible into believing they are justified in their illegality. Gimme a break! That dog don't hunt!

[HAL 9000 96]

Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

Do you really believe that nonsense? Modern day Mexicans have zero claim to modern day USA. The vast expanse of the territory the lunatic fringe claims as "theirs" was unpopulated for the most part. These people weren't driven from it and have no claim to it. Such statements are just a ruse for illegal aliens and their cheerleaders to bamboozle the ignorant and gullible into believing they are justified in their illegality. Gimme a break! That dog don't hunt!

Believe what nonsense? That which puts the same lunacy upfront and center into an obvious anti-immigrant diatribe?

Yes, Mexico has 0 claim to any US territory. I mean, it would be the same as justifying any nation's claim to occupied territories taken as war booty. History does get to be written by the victors, right? So there you go.

Arguing that there were empty expanses of land is completely irrelevant. The land belonged to someone else and should have been respected as such- back then. Now? Yes, its ours whether we accept history for what it was or for what we allow ourselves to believe. How can those that use history as a ruse to ruffle feathers sympathetic to arguments favorable to their increasing their power base- illegal or not, in those areas, is really beyond my limit of tolerance... but it should be their right as it is yours to cry from Houston about all those damn Mexicanos, verdad hermano?

[peejay 327]

Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

Do you really believe that nonsense? Modern day Mexicans have zero claim to modern day USA. The vast expanse of the territory the lunatic fringe claims as "theirs" was unpopulated for the most part. These people weren't driven from it and have no claim to it. Such statements are just a ruse for illegal aliens and their cheerleaders to bamboozle the ignorant and gullible into believing they are justified in their illegality. Gimme a break! That dog don't hunt!

Believe what nonsense? That which puts the same lunacy upfront and center into an obvious anti-immigrant illegal alien diatribe?

Yes, Mexico has 0 claim to any US territory. I mean, it would be the same as justifying any nation's claim to occupied territories taken as war booty. History does get to be written by the victors, right? So there you go.

Arguing that there were empty expanses of land is completely irrelevant. The land belonged to someone else and should have been respected as such- back then. Now? Yes, its ours whether we accept history for what it was or for what we allow ourselves to believe. How can those that use history as a ruse to ruffle feathers sympathetic to arguments favorable to their increasing their power base- illegal or not, in those areas, is really beyond my limit of tolerance... but it should be their right as it is yours to cry from Houston about all those damn Mexicanos, verdad hermano?

First of all...it never belonged to the 6+ million Mexican illegal aliens that are here in the USA illegally today. To justify their illegality on that dead horse is about as lame as a Honduran or Guatamalan with even a fraction of indiginous blood laying claim to Mexico. Too much water has gone under the bridge for that to carry water and that is another dog that won't hunt. Try pulling that sh!t in Mexico and see far that goes. About as far as I can throw a Mack truck. So why should that same lame bullshit hold water in the good ol' USA. Not to mention the same demands of Mexican illegal aliens outside of their mythical Southwest USA Aztlan fairytale that demand amnesty in Maine, Minnesota, New York, etc., or your Chicago. Total self serving bullshit with zero basis in reality!

Your Movimiento's claims to the US Southwest (and the rest of the USA) is about as bankrupt as their demands for amnesty for (all Hispanic) illegal aliens that have broken numerous laws along with their crooked employers enabled by our corrupt self serving politicians. More self serving ####### with no basis on reality.

If these lame demands for amnesty were ever put to a true democratic referendum of the American people rather than the corrupt shenaneghans that now infests our nation's capitol this situation would never have degenerated to this point.

Yes...one of the few places that are susceptable to that lame logic is in Left wing liberal circles of the universities that have a history of misguided causes foisted upon impressionable audiences of adolescents that already have rebellious tendencies. It has less to do about legitimate debate than it has to do with youthful rebellion. Peer pressure stifles any real debate in a university setting. It has been proven too many times by the lunatic fringe. Rebellion is a heck of a lot more fun than civilized debate. The Left wing academics that infest acedemia are steeped in this mentality, have tenure (job security), and don't live in the real world a vast majority of America lives in. Most of them have never lived in the real real world most Americans live in. Campus life is all they have known most of their life.

No wonder groups like M.E.Ch.A. flourish on campus' and idiots like LA Mayor Villaraigosa indoctrinated with this M.E.Ch.A. ####### rebel against policies that are in the best interests of most of the American people. Illegal aliens and their corrupt employers do not have the right to set US immigration policy that is detrimental to American workers and a vast majority of the American people. Let alone self serving local politicians that base their policies on race as Villaraigosa has. They whine that immigration is a Federal issue and whine when the Fed enforces the law. That sez it all! Along with the fact that 80+% of illegal aliens are Hispanic (55+% from Mexico).

I wonder if guys like Villaraigosa would give a #### if most illegal aliens weren't Hispanic. What about M.E.Ch.A.? I think we already know the answer to that question.

Yeah...viva La Raza!

[franklie 0]

They could be. Fact is, however, that after knowing several card-carrying members I can guarantee the truth here- that that silly platform is not the primary goal of the organization as it stands in 2001, 2004, and 2008. Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

I am embarassed to report that in Southern California, MeChA, yes, does in fact support such an extreme agenda. And IMO LA is more extreme in that regard than the rest of SoCal.

[HAL 9000 96]

Gee... how do we address this one... lets take it piece by piece, ok?

First of all...it never belonged to the 6+ million Mexican illegal aliens that are here in the USA illegally today. To justify their illegality on that dead horse is about as lame as a Honduran or Guatamalan with even a fraction of indiginous blood laying claim to Mexico. Too much water has gone under the bridge for that to carry water and that is another dog that won't hunt. Try pulling that sh!t in Mexico and see far that goes. About as far as I can throw a Mack truck. So why should that same lame bullshit hold water in the good ol' USA. Not to mention the same demands of Mexican illegal aliens outside of their mythical Southwest USA Aztlan fairytale that demand amnesty in Maine, Minnesota, New York, etc., or your Chicago. Total self serving bullshit with zero basis in reality!

Who the heck is justifying anything? Read back and you shall read my opinion on the topic of legality. Period. Again, its perspective you need to hold. Become part of a marginal community and ye shall behold what thy fails to see.

Your Movimiento's claims to the US Southwest (and the rest of the USA) is about as bankrupt as their demands for amnesty for (all Hispanic) illegal aliens that have broken numerous laws along with their crooked employers enabled by our corrupt self serving politicians. More self serving ####### with no basis on reality.

MY movimiento? PJ... again, either your reading comp needs work or you're fishing for something that ain't there bro, so take a chill pill and read back- quit knocking yourself out! Like I've explained, at least in those areas where there are Mexican Americans, there is marginalization. Where there is marginalization, there is a drive to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If lunatics like Pat Buchanan have a right to have lunatic agendas, then so do lunatic Mexican Americans.

If these lame demands for amnesty were ever put to a true democratic referendum of the American people rather than the corrupt shenaneghans that now infests our nation's capitol this situation would never have degenerated to this point.

How so? Most likely, were it to get to a national referendum, most Americans would probably not know what the heck you were talking about... unless of course you want to get into details about voter demographics. But the idea would be interesting.

Yes...one of the few places that are susceptable to that lame logic is in Left wing liberal circles of the universities that have a history of misguided causes foisted upon impressionable audiences of adolescents that already have rebellious tendencies. It has less to do about legitimate debate than it has to do with youthful rebellion. Peer pressure stifles any real debate in a university setting. It has been proven too many times by the lunatic fringe. Rebellion is a heck of a lot more fun than civilized debate. The Left wing academics that infest acedemia are steeped in this mentality, have tenure (job security), and don't live in the real world a vast majority of America lives in. Most of them have never lived in the real real world most Americans live in. Campus life is all they have known most of their life.

LOL... man you're killin'me with this Left Wing hysteria. That is PRECISELY the matter... not nearly so much as having impressionable youth but rather, rebellious tendencies, or what people that hold their nation's democracy to higher standards refer to as "questioning authority."

Perhaps you could list out these so-called rebellions initiated by this horde of left wing academics in this country... because again, like I've reminded plenty of nutjobs here on VJ, the end product of US universities isn't exactly the cream of the crop for rebelliousness or an in-bulk flow of Marxist tendencies. This MaCarthyist attitude of yours is frankly too antiquated to even discuss beyond the label it gets. Unless, of course, you'd like to remedy this supposed situation by acting in a way reminiscent of those times...

No wonder groups like M.E.Ch.A. flourish on campus' and idiots like LA Mayor Villaraigosa indoctrinated with this M.E.Ch.A. ####### rebel against policies that are in the best interests of most of the American people. Illegal aliens and their corrupt employers do not have the right to set US immigration policy that is detrimental to American workers and a vast majority of the American people. Let alone self serving local politicians that base their policies on race as Villaraigosa has. They whine that immigration is a Federal issue and whine when the Fed enforces the law. That sez it all! Along with the fact that 80+% of illegal aliens are Hispanic (55+% from Mexico).

Giving waaaaayyy too much importance to one Mexican American student group.

Yeah, the numbers speak for themselves. So F-ing what? People like, usually, to live in a very well known place called reality.

They could be. Fact is, however, that after knowing several card-carrying members I can guarantee the truth here- that that silly platform is not the primary goal of the organization as it stands in 2001, 2004, and 2008. Be there slogans that are just as incendiary as "Mexicans go home" when they can very easily consider home to be anywhere in the lands taken by force under dubious conditions, albeit more than a century ago.

I am embarassed to report that in Southern California, MeChA, yes, does in fact support such an extreme agenda. And IMO LA is more extreme in that regard than the rest of SoCal.

All right brother. Nothing new there. The agenda that supposedly unifies that group is what it is and should not be promoted beyond the "cool factor" that it receives among those rambunctious, rebel kids.

[Ban Hammer 13,365]

Become part of a marginal community and ye shall behold what thy fails to see.

marginal community = what? hispanics?