The United States is concerned

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Sigh. It's not about the MB as much as it is about the Democratic Process and allowing "whoever" to participate. The US doesn't get to pick who they want in Egypt's democratic process the Egyptians do. If the Egyptians want the MB then that is their right. It is also the US's right to say to Egypt we are concerned about a fair democratic process. It doesn't mean anything will be done about it but it's everyone's right.

Maybe you are not aware what happened with the fair and democratic election that was held next door to Egypt. American president George W. Bush invited all political parties to take part in the Palestinian elections, and insisted these elections be held on time, without delay. International observers were on hand to certify that people could cast their votes freely and without intimidation.

However, when the votes were counted, the results were not what the U.S. and Israel had in mind. Astonishingly, the people hadn't voted for the candidates the U.S. and Israel thought they should vote for.

So the United States simply denounced the winners. as the Israeli military kidnapped and imprisoned more than 60 members of the newly elected legislature in the West Bank. Then the U.S. covertly armed and encouraged the losers to attempt a coup against the democratically elected government in their remaining stronghold in Gaza, but this attempted coup failed miserably. The U.S. then pressured its selected candidates (the losers) to declare the elected government dissolved, and to replace it with unelected officials approved by the U.S. and Israel.

The U.S. and Israel have since made the oxymoronic claim that the elected government tried to stage a coup against the losers of the election. This claim has been repeated as "fact" in American media.

So don't be so naive about the so-called "Democratic process" the U.S. is pushing in other countries, or what lengths the U.S. will go to in order to control that process, or what "rights" Egyptians actually have.

As S and S mentions, the U.S. has a great amount of leverage on Egyptian politics via its immense amount of foreign aid (which is actually closer to $2 billion a year) and which is tied *specifically* to Egypt's playing along with U.S./Israeli demands. It is no mere "coincidence" that U.S. foreign aid to Egypt ballooned in *1979.*

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Exactaly! What is the US saying to the world about Democracy when the Palestinians hold an election and the elected officials are denounced? There is so much more to this though. I've been posting about this in another thread as well.

Sigh. It's not about the MB as much as it is about the Democratic Process and allowing "whoever" to participate. The US doesn't get to pick who they want in Egypt's democratic process the Egyptians do. If the Egyptians want the MB then that is their right. It is also the US's right to say to Egypt we are concerned about a fair democratic process. It doesn't mean anything will be done about it but it's everyone's right.

Maybe you are not aware what happened with the fair and democratic election that was held next door to Egypt. American president George W. Bush invited all political parties to take part in the Palestinian elections, and insisted these elections be held on time, without delay. International observers were on hand to certify that people could cast their votes freely and without intimidation.

However, when the votes were counted, the results were not what the U.S. and Israel had in mind. Astonishingly, the people hadn't voted for the candidates the U.S. and Israel thought they should vote for.

So the United States simply denounced the winners. as the Israeli military kidnapped and imprisoned more than 60 members of the newly elected legislature in the West Bank. Then the U.S. covertly armed and encouraged the losers to attempt a coup against the democratically elected government in their remaining stronghold in Gaza, but this attempted coup failed miserably. The U.S. then pressured its selected candidates (the losers) to declare the elected government dissolved, and to replace it with unelected officials approved by the U.S. and Israel.

The U.S. and Israel have since made the oxymoronic claim that the elected government tried to stage a coup against the losers of the election. This claim has been repeated as "fact" in American media.

So don't be so naive about the so-called "Democratic process" the U.S. is pushing in other countries, or what lengths the U.S. will go to in order to control that process, or what "rights" Egyptians actually have.

As S and S mentions, the U.S. has a great amount of leverage on Egyptian politics via its immense amount of foreign aid (which is actually closer to $2 billion a year) and which is tied *specifically* to Egypt's playing along with U.S./Israeli demands. It is no mere "coincidence" that U.S. foreign aid to Egypt ballooned in *1979.*

[S and S 12]

Oddly enough, Israel got their big increase in US AID right after the 1967 war. Odd since the United States lost a ship in that war, the USS Liberty, and it wasn't the Egyptians that were shooting at it. There are some politics I will never understand.

[PetraPerson101 0]

The American government doesn't care about people, only money, if they think that might interfer with making money, and lots of it, than they care. Just like people think the drug laws are here to protect us, no they are not, the government doesn't give a #### about you, they just want you hooked on their stuff, it is really all about money.

Yeah cool eh?

So much conspiracy stuff.

Drug companies are killing you with their medicines that "keep you alive". Sure! It's all about money, but they're killing you so you don't buy their stuff anymore.

The US Government hands out drugs so people can kill themselves & get hooked - and be unproductive in-turn.

Makes sense, right? Then you can hand out foodstamps & subsidized housing to junkies - pay for their prison & rehab.

That's real profitable, paying for treatment, right? Must work wonders for the economy - having unproductive people.

My answer to Fed bashers - is go hang out overseas for a few years. Preferably in a third world dictatorship, or oppressive kingdom.

Then you'll come running back to this "hellhole" we call the United States. Where you can stand up in a crowd and call the president a jack-assed monkey-faced idiot - and rest assured that you and your family will be eating dinner later that day - all limbs intact. Where you can say the Government's out to get you - and nobody gives a rat's ###. And, you can say some pharmaceutical corporation is trying to poison you to death so you don't buy their products anymore and their profits suffer.

Sure, it may suck here - but I tell you this: You don't know suck if you think it sucks here.

[ edit - bleh - some discussions I would rather not get involved in. Self-removed. ]

Edited April 14, 2008 by KyanWan

[S and S 12]

I totally agree with what you said KyanWan. Personally I can't stand all these conspiracy theories that aren't backed by hard evidence. I also think we really do have it good here compared to many places. It is nice that we can complain until our heart is content without fear. It is nice to know you can have the chance at a good life here if your willing to work for it. So many other people in other places cannot claim that.

You changed your response on me, anyway, I will leave it at this. Check out this book "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy". It looks like a big book, but it really has a lot of great information in it.

Edited April 14, 2008 by S and S

[sandinista! 1,816]

Exactaly! What is the US saying to the world about Democracy when the Palestinians hold an election and the elected officials are denounced? There is so much more to this though. I've been posting about this in another thread as well.

then why did you say this earlier? it's a complete contradiction of the above.

"Where do I start? The United States is concerned sounds like a diplomatic line. A more honest line would be, "We're concerned your democracy is nonexistent, your corruption is elaborately institutionalized, and your public policy consistently ignores the well-being of the majority of the population." "