What Makes Obama Run

[NavarreMan 10]

A story from "liberalvalues"? Jeez, I thought I taught you better than that. These appointments are just talk. He will load up the cabinet with like minded people. And Hagel and Luger are far from mainstream republicans. They lean more towards the center.

You support who you want. Thats your right. But don't delude yourself into thinking that Obama will unite anything. He will tear this country apart more than you think Bush did. Of course the shoe will be on the other foot and it will be us b!tching while your going, "what? Everything is great!" But in the end we will be even more divided than today.

I hope you're wrong, Gary. I'm 99 percent certain that our next President will be Democrat and equally certain that Obama will be the nominee. Hopefully, he will work towards bipartisanship, but more importantly, get this country on the right track.

Refer to the thread awhile ago where I posted that formula for ready-for-change. Bearing that in mind, I think you'll find this aprapo:

"Let me start off by saying that in 2000 I said, 'Vote for me. I'm an agent of change.' In 2004, I said, 'I'm not interested in change—I want to continue as president.' Every candidate has got to say 'change.' That's what the American people expect." —Washington, D.C., March 5, 2008 ~ Pres. GW Bush

And boy-howdy did things change!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I thought Cheney and Bush went to Iraq for "OIL"? Funny how that shite went by the wayside

Considering the current oil prices that must have been the worst theft, war for oil etc, in history..

Only if you assume that the public would be the beneficiary of such a policy. A lot of money is being made out of high oil prices - no?

Im not assuming shite, you just "follow" simply behind.

"follow" behind... what exactly?

For the record Marc - I assume I'm not the only one who has noticed that you rarely, if ever, offer a concrete opinion on any policy issue. In fact your rationale for all things political seems to be entirely partisan "us and them".

That makes you the "follower" from where I sit.

Somebody's unhinged tonight...

Or arseholed on rum.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I went to this church and subjected my kids to this for twenty years but I dont agree Im not racist Im an agent of change. Bush is a liar?

One of these days the shite your chewin on will start to taste like it.

[Mags 112]

Let's cut the digs and attacks here please.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Wow, seems like only a couple of weeks ago the right was worried about the sound of his name. Now they've figured out the man is a christian and they're worried about his preacher. Spooky

about time you get outta that numbers thread and get back into the political threads

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

please no personal attacks... thx .

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I thought Cheney and Bush went to Iraq for "OIL"? Funny how that shite went by the wayside

Considering the current oil prices that must have been the worst theft, war for oil etc, in history..

Only if you assume that the public would be the beneficiary of such a policy. A lot of money is being made out of high oil prices - no?

Im not assuming shite, you just "follow" simply behind.

"follow" behind... what exactly?

For the record Marc - I assume I'm not the only one who has noticed that you rarely, if ever, offer a concrete opinion on any policy issue. In fact your rationale for all things political seems to be entirely partisan "us and them".

That makes you the "follower" from where I sit.

Somebody's unhinged tonight...

Or arseholed on rum.

For the record? Dude,you have know idea what "concrete" is! You live in a life that depends on back-up from others and you know it. The linguini spine is what you know best.

Then mister to much time on my fkin hands chimes in with nothin more than antagonism. So weak

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He's obviously not a dye-in-the-liberal that you might think he is. From what I gather, his life experiences as child born from a white mother and African father who abandoned his family have had a profound impact on his views. He's as much white as he is black, accept that as far as first impressions go, people throughout his life, have only seen him as black.

I read that. I wasn't referring to his liberalism. All you have to do is look at his voting record to see that he falls on the side of the liberals 100% of the time. My question was about something else. I am worried that he will be so focused on helping out his race that he will not address the rest of the problems in America. Or worse yet try to stack the deck in his races favor. I hate to try and bring race into this discussion but that is what this story is about.

Decoding his political leanings is the easiest thing in the world. He is the most liberal Senator currently serving.

Yeah, well anything left of far right is considered liberal to some.

Well there is liberal and then there is Liberal. Look it up. Obama literally has the most liberal voting record in the senate. He has never "reached accross the isle" to work with the other party. How he will unite the nation is beyond me. As far as I can see he will polarize us more than we are now.

Not sure where you heard or read that from (Limbaugh?), Gary, but here's some facts on his bipartisanship...

Obama was a key co-sponsor of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S.2590) with the bill's primary sponsor, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (OK). In a press release upon Senate passage of the bill, Coburn himself referred to the legislation as the "Coburn-Obama Bill."

Obama also worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (IN) to produce the "Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative," which President Bush signed into law on January 11, 2007, and which received funding on June 28 of that year. The initiative, according to Obama's Senate website, "expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction."

In addition, four of the 12 co-sponsors of Obama's bill (S.2125) to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo" were Republicans: Sam Brownback (KS), Susan Collins (ME), Mike DeWine (OH), and James Inhofe (OK). President Bush signed the bill into law on December 22, 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803280011

Steve. Dude. What's up with you spoiling the party by introducing facts to the debate?

[GaryC 7]

He's obviously not a dye-in-the-liberal that you might think he is. From what I gather, his life experiences as child born from a white mother and African father who abandoned his family have had a profound impact on his views. He's as much white as he is black, accept that as far as first impressions go, people throughout his life, have only seen him as black.

I read that. I wasn't referring to his liberalism. All you have to do is look at his voting record to see that he falls on the side of the liberals 100% of the time. My question was about something else. I am worried that he will be so focused on helping out his race that he will not address the rest of the problems in America. Or worse yet try to stack the deck in his races favor. I hate to try and bring race into this discussion but that is what this story is about.

Decoding his political leanings is the easiest thing in the world. He is the most liberal Senator currently serving.

Yeah, well anything left of far right is considered liberal to some.

Well there is liberal and then there is Liberal. Look it up. Obama literally has the most liberal voting record in the senate. He has never "reached accross the isle" to work with the other party. How he will unite the nation is beyond me. As far as I can see he will polarize us more than we are now.

Not sure where you heard or read that from (Limbaugh?), Gary, but here's some facts on his bipartisanship...

Obama was a key co-sponsor of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S.2590) with the bill's primary sponsor, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (OK). In a press release upon Senate passage of the bill, Coburn himself referred to the legislation as the "Coburn-Obama Bill."

Obama also worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (IN) to produce the "Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative," which President Bush signed into law on January 11, 2007, and which received funding on June 28 of that year. The initiative, according to Obama's Senate website, "expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction."

In addition, four of the 12 co-sponsors of Obama's bill (S.2125) to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo" were Republicans: Sam Brownback (KS), Susan Collins (ME), Mike DeWine (OH), and James Inhofe (OK). President Bush signed the bill into law on December 22, 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803280011

Steve. Dude. What's up with you spoiling the party by introducing facts to the debate?

I will ask you the same thing then. Given that Obama is even further left with his voting record than Clinton, do you think he will even attempt to work with republicans if elected? All I see is far left positions he is taking.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

He's obviously not a dye-in-the-liberal that you might think he is. From what I gather, his life experiences as child born from a white mother and African father who abandoned his family have had a profound impact on his views. He's as much white as he is black, accept that as far as first impressions go, people throughout his life, have only seen him as black.

I read that. I wasn't referring to his liberalism. All you have to do is look at his voting record to see that he falls on the side of the liberals 100% of the time. My question was about something else. I am worried that he will be so focused on helping out his race that he will not address the rest of the problems in America. Or worse yet try to stack the deck in his races favor. I hate to try and bring race into this discussion but that is what this story is about.

Decoding his political leanings is the easiest thing in the world. He is the most liberal Senator currently serving.

Yeah, well anything left of far right is considered liberal to some.

Well there is liberal and then there is Liberal. Look it up. Obama literally has the most liberal voting record in the senate. He has never "reached accross the isle" to work with the other party. How he will unite the nation is beyond me. As far as I can see he will polarize us more than we are now.

Not sure where you heard or read that from (Limbaugh?), Gary, but here's some facts on his bipartisanship...

Obama was a key co-sponsor of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S.2590) with the bill's primary sponsor, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (OK). In a press release upon Senate passage of the bill, Coburn himself referred to the legislation as the "Coburn-Obama Bill."

Obama also worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (IN) to produce the "Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative," which President Bush signed into law on January 11, 2007, and which received funding on June 28 of that year. The initiative, according to Obama's Senate website, "expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction."

In addition, four of the 12 co-sponsors of Obama's bill (S.2125) to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo" were Republicans: Sam Brownback (KS), Susan Collins (ME), Mike DeWine (OH), and James Inhofe (OK). President Bush signed the bill into law on December 22, 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803280011

Steve. Dude. What's up with you spoiling the party by introducing facts to the debate?

media matters

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He's obviously not a dye-in-the-liberal that you might think he is. From what I gather, his life experiences as child born from a white mother and African father who abandoned his family have had a profound impact on his views. He's as much white as he is black, accept that as far as first impressions go, people throughout his life, have only seen him as black.

I read that. I wasn't referring to his liberalism. All you have to do is look at his voting record to see that he falls on the side of the liberals 100% of the time. My question was about something else. I am worried that he will be so focused on helping out his race that he will not address the rest of the problems in America. Or worse yet try to stack the deck in his races favor. I hate to try and bring race into this discussion but that is what this story is about.

Decoding his political leanings is the easiest thing in the world. He is the most liberal Senator currently serving.

Yeah, well anything left of far right is considered liberal to some.

Well there is liberal and then there is Liberal. Look it up. Obama literally has the most liberal voting record in the senate. He has never "reached accross the isle" to work with the other party. How he will unite the nation is beyond me. As far as I can see he will polarize us more than we are now.

Not sure where you heard or read that from (Limbaugh?), Gary, but here's some facts on his bipartisanship...

Obama was a key co-sponsor of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S.2590) with the bill's primary sponsor, Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (OK). In a press release upon Senate passage of the bill, Coburn himself referred to the legislation as the "Coburn-Obama Bill."

Obama also worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar (IN) to produce the "Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative," which President Bush signed into law on January 11, 2007, and which received funding on June 28 of that year. The initiative, according to Obama's Senate website, "expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction."

In addition, four of the 12 co-sponsors of Obama's bill (S.2125) to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo" were Republicans: Sam Brownback (KS), Susan Collins (ME), Mike DeWine (OH), and James Inhofe (OK). President Bush signed the bill into law on December 22, 2006.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803280011

Steve. Dude. What's up with you spoiling the party by introducing facts to the debate?

media matters

Well, not to you apparently. You seem to get your information from the gut. Ever wondered why people make the two or three snippets from Rev Wright a bi deal but are all hush hush about the fact that what Rev Wright says is in no way some radical fringe stuff within the African American community? That is where we as a people should be outraged; that there is a group of people in our midst that actually feels that way. That's what's outrageous.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm not sorry I feel like that Steven. Maybe my image was a little strong, but I found no other term to adequately describe his enjoyment of public exposure while not actually doing very much of substance to earn it.

I have looked through his resume and although I find him an interesting intellect and to have achieved some noteworthy educational milestones, I do not see the grass roots campaigns that he seems so keen to point towards as the vehicle of new politics. He did some work as a community organiser from 1985 to 1988 when he returned to his education. What are the real achievements of this organisation? Does anyone know? They are so un noteworthy that trying to find this information is proving impossible although there are numerous references to this highlight in his career.

He took part in voter registration drives (not exactly radical stuff, if of course commendable) and then worked as a lawyer from 1993 to 2002. While again his work with the law firm could be classed as community orientated, it's hardly the stuff of grass roots change and I don't see any exceptional cases or reformatory suits that he can take credit for.

Even during his student years, the time when many an idealist racks up some 'revolutionary' points, Barack was engaged in nihilistic views and experimented with drugs.

What I see is an astute career politician who knows what the good stories are, knows when and how to utilise these stories but equally knows how not to put his head over the parapet if he's going to get shot at. He hasn't done anything contraversial apart from smoke a bit of weed. Some idealist.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I will ask you the same thing then. Given that Obama is even further left with his voting record than Clinton, do you think he will even attempt to work with republicans if elected?

Absolutely.

[GaryC 7]

I will ask you the same thing then. Given that Obama is even further left with his voting record than Clinton, do you think he will even attempt to work with republicans if elected?

Absolutely.

What makes you think that? From his record I see an idealog. They don't tend to try to work with those that disagree with them. I think Obama will be decisive.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I will ask you the same thing then. Given that Obama is even further left with his voting record than Clinton, do you think he will even attempt to work with republicans if elected?

Absolutely.

What makes you think that?

He's an intelligent and ambitious man with a vision. He won't end up like our current President who has been so bogged down by his ideology that he didn't accomplish anything positive for this country.