Jane Fonda endorses Obama

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW.

JANE FONDA... TRUE TRAITOR..

She really was a traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do

not remember, and didn't have to bear the

burden that our fathers, mothers and older

brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the

" 100 Women of the Century."

BY BARBRA WALTER

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still

countless others have never known how Ms.

Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,

but specific men who served and sacrificed

during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF

Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison

the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,

cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was

ordered to describe for a visiting American

"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane

treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was

dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward

on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which

sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from

double vision (which permanently ended his

flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied

application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the

47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the

"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his

family only knew he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.

His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and

clothed routine in preparation for a

"peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to

get word to the world that they were alive

and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny

piece of paper, with his Social Security Number

on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a

cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each

man's hand and asking little encouraging

snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed

babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane

treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each

palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the

end of the line and once the camera stopped

rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,

she turned to the officer in charge and handed

him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Colonel Carrigan was almost number four

but he survived, which is the only reason we

know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor

in Vietnam , and was captured by the North

Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in

1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one

year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year

in a "black box" in Hanoi .

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately

poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a

nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South

Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the

Cambodian border.

At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.

(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by

the camp communist political officer if I would

be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real

treatment we POWs received... and how

different it was from the treatment purported by

the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as

"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky

floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched

with a large steel weights placed on my hands,

and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda

soon after I was released. I asked her

if she would be willing to debate me on TV.

She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify

someone who should be honored as part

of "100 Years of Great Women."

Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"

should never include a traitor whose hands are

covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral

reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in

blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many

people as you possibly can.

It will eventually end up on her computer and

she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF

716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of

Maintenance

DSN: 875-6431

COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO

EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF

ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER

STATUS WILL CHANGE

Yeah I've heard that slips of paper thing before - it sounds a bit dubious to me.

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

The other thing is how many people did she embolden by showing the enemy, at the time of war, that the other side is a bunch of idiots who do not want to be there. How many lives where lost due to her action alone.

When the United States was forced to leave because of domestic bitching I hold people like her responsible for all of the lives lost there. The lives that the north Vietnamese destroyed when they took over southern Vietnam. Funny how her liberal buddies did not cover the atrocities after the US pulled out. Maybe she can go talk to my friend who lost his family when the NV took over southern vietnam. Maybe she can apologize for him seeing his sister and mother being raped and killed. ###### you Jane Fonda. And that goes to every other drug ###### hippie out there who kicked and screamed for the US to get out.

Now their drug ###### kids want us to do the same thing in Iraq. But this time we will be there to film the consequences of their decisions, if this happens again.

You don't think that's a bit of an unfair summation of the anti-war movement (past and present)/

[Jenn! 918]

Maybe when I get older and wiser I can piss on Jane Fonda's grave too.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Maybe when I get older and wiser I can piss on Jane Fonda's grave too.

Yeah really.

[Heracles 417]

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

The other thing is how many people did she embolden by showing the enemy, at the time of war, that the other side is a bunch of idiots who do not want to be there. How many lives where lost due to her action alone.

When the United States was forced to leave because of domestic bitching I hold people like her responsible for all of the lives lost there. The lives that the north Vietnamese destroyed when they took over southern Vietnam. Funny how her liberal buddies did not cover the atrocities after the US pulled out. Maybe she can go talk to my friend who lost his family when the NV took over southern vietnam. Maybe she can apologize for him seeing his sister and mother being raped and killed. ###### you Jane Fonda. And that goes to every other drug ###### hippie out there who kicked and screamed for the US to get out.

Now their drug ###### kids want us to do the same thing in Iraq. But this time we will be there to film the consequences of their decisions, if this happens again.

You don't think that's a bit of an unfair summation of the anti-war movement (past and present)/

In reality who wants war though. No one with half a brain wants to be in a war. But when a war is on I support the nation. I will, at the very least, support an embolden 'our' troops rather than the enemies.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well... who wants to start one? This war was and is very controversial - based in a large part to the perceived duplicity of various governments in pushing for it.

The idea that in a modern democracy - that voicing your opinion on controversial policies is somehow unpatriotic, or "emboldening the enemy" is just #######.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

Fonda visited Hanoi in July 1972. Among other statements, she repeated the North Vietnamese claim that the United States had been deliberately targeting the dike system along the Red River stating that “I believe in my heart, profoundly, that the dikes are being bombed on purpose”. Columnist Joseph Kraft who was also touring North Vietnam, believed that the damage to the dikes was incidental and was being used as propaganda by Hanoi, and that if the U.S. Air Force were "truly going after the dikes, it would do so in a methodical, not a harum-scarum way."

In Vietnam, Fonda was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft battery used against American aircrews. She also participated in several radio broadcasts on behalf of the Communist regime, asking US aircrews to consider the consequences of their actions. In her 2005 autobiography, she states that she was manipulated into sitting on the battery, and claims to have been immediately horrified at the implications of the pictures. Fonda says that it was not what was in her heart at all, and wasn't the reason why she was even there. She was there to film evidence of the Nixon Administration's plan to blow up the dikes (a plan that Fonda says "Johnson, to his credit decided not to do"), and the lie the administration had been giving to the public, that troop returns were imminent. She expressed regret for her actions many times over the years, but some Americans remain hostile to her. "I've learned that a picture does not capture what was actually in your heart."

During this visit she also visited American prisoners of war (POWs), and brought back messages from them to their families. When cases of torture began to emerge among POWs returning to the United States, Fonda called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars." She added, "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." On the subject of torture in general, Fonda told The New York Times in 1973, "I'm quite sure that there were incidents of torture... but the pilots who were saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that's a lie." Several American POWs and other eyewitnesses, including former POW, and future US Senator and Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, disagree with this sentiment.

The POW camp visits also led to persistent stories—decades later circulated widely on the Internet and via email—that the POWs she met had spat on her, or attempted to sneak notes to her which she had then reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. These claims have been debunked by Snopes.com by talking to the ex-POWs named in the stories.

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the parts i have major issue with are bolded. regarding the part "She also participated in several radio broadcasts on behalf of the Communist regime, asking US aircrews to consider the consequences of their actions." does anyone recall tokyo rose? sedition is never forgotten........

[Alex+R 0]

And recently, she apologized.

Get over it.

[Heracles 417]

Fonda visited Hanoi in July 1972. Among other statements, she repeated the North Vietnamese claim that the United States had been deliberately targeting the dike system along the Red River stating that “I believe in my heart, profoundly, that the dikes are being bombed on purpose”. Columnist Joseph Kraft who was also touring North Vietnam, believed that the damage to the dikes was incidental and was being used as propaganda by Hanoi, and that if the U.S. Air Force were "truly going after the dikes, it would do so in a methodical, not a harum-scarum way."

In Vietnam, Fonda was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft battery used against American aircrews. She also participated in several radio broadcasts on behalf of the Communist regime, asking US aircrews to consider the consequences of their actions. In her 2005 autobiography, she states that she was manipulated into sitting on the battery, and claims to have been immediately horrified at the implications of the pictures. Fonda says that it was not what was in her heart at all, and wasn't the reason why she was even there. She was there to film evidence of the Nixon Administration's plan to blow up the dikes (a plan that Fonda says "Johnson, to his credit decided not to do"), and the lie the administration had been giving to the public, that troop returns were imminent. She expressed regret for her actions many times over the years, but some Americans remain hostile to her. "I've learned that a picture does not capture what was actually in your heart."

During this visit she also visited American prisoners of war (POWs), and brought back messages from them to their families. When cases of torture began to emerge among POWs returning to the United States, Fonda called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars." She added, "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." On the subject of torture in general, Fonda told The New York Times in 1973, "I'm quite sure that there were incidents of torture... but the pilots who were saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that's a lie." Several American POWs and other eyewitnesses, including former POW, and future US Senator and Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, disagree with this sentiment.

The POW camp visits also led to persistent stories—decades later circulated widely on the Internet and via email—that the POWs she met had spat on her, or attempted to sneak notes to her which she had then reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. These claims have been debunked by Snopes.com by talking to the ex-POWs named in the stories.

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the parts i have major issue with are bolded. regarding the part "She also participated in several radio broadcasts on behalf of the Communist regime, asking US aircrews to consider the consequences of their actions." does anyone recall tokyo rose? sedition is never forgotten........

The young Jane Fonda sounds like something Alex+R would say..

And recently, she apologized.

Get over it.

If someone replaced the name Jane Fonda with yours and Vietnam with Iraq, I would believe it..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And recently, she apologized.

Get over it.

Several times in fact over the last 20+ years.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

And recently, she apologized.

Get over it.

so did quite a few child molesters and killers. bfd. her apology is worthless just like she is.

[panamania79 2]

FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW.

JANE FONDA... TRUE TRAITOR..

She really was a traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do

not remember, and didn't have to bear the

burden that our fathers, mothers and older

brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the

" 100 Women of the Century."

BY BARBRA WALTER

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still

countless others have never known how Ms.

Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,

but specific men who served and sacrificed

during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF

Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison

the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,

cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was

ordered to describe for a visiting American

"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane

treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was

dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward

on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which

sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from

double vision (which permanently ended his

flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied

application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the

47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the

"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his

family only knew he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.

His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and

clothed routine in preparation for a

"peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to

get word to the world that they were alive

and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny

piece of paper, with his Social Security Number

on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a

cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each

man's hand and asking little encouraging

snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed

babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane

treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each

palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the

end of the line and once the camera stopped

rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,

she turned to the officer in charge and handed

him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Colonel Carrigan was almost number four

but he survived, which is the only reason we

know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor

in Vietnam , and was captured by the North

Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in

1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one

year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year

in a "black box" in Hanoi .

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately

poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a

nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South

Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the

Cambodian border.

At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.

(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by

the camp communist political officer if I would

be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real

treatment we POWs received... and how

different it was from the treatment purported by

the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as

"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky

floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched

with a large steel weights placed on my hands,

and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda

soon after I was released. I asked her

if she would be willing to debate me on TV.

She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify

someone who should be honored as part

of "100 Years of Great Women."

Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"

should never include a traitor whose hands are

covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral

reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in

blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many

people as you possibly can.

It will eventually end up on her computer and

she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF

716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of

Maintenance

DSN: 875-6431

COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO

EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF

ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER

STATUS WILL CHANGE

[athena_ny 1]

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

The other thing is how many people did she embolden by showing the enemy, at the time of war, that the other side is a bunch of idiots who do not want to be there. How many lives where lost due to her action alone.

When the United States was forced to leave because of domestic bitching I hold people like her responsible for all of the lives lost there. The lives that the north Vietnamese destroyed when they took over southern Vietnam. Funny how her liberal buddies did not cover the atrocities after the US pulled out. Maybe she can go talk to my friend who lost his family when the NV took over southern vietnam. Maybe she can apologize for him seeing his sister and mother being raped and killed. ###### you Jane Fonda. And that goes to every other drug ###### hippie out there who kicked and screamed for the US to get out.

Now their drug ###### kids want us to do the same thing in Iraq. But this time we will be there to film the consequences of their decisions, if this happens again.

You don't think that's a bit of an unfair summation of the anti-war movement (past and present)/

In reality who wants war though. No one with half a brain wants to be in a war. But when a war is on I support the nation. I will, at the very least, support an embolden 'our' troops rather than the enemies.

Supporting the war and supporting our nation are two different things; I assume by "our nation" you mean the people who thought it was a good idea to go to war. 67% of the nation did not approve with the war in Iraq in polls on January 12th.

My brother is a soldier; he does not agree with the war. But he signed up to serve, and he is doing his job, and I support him in every way I can. That does not mean I have to support the idea of a war against a concept.

That said, Jane Fonda is, at the least, a complete and total idiot, and at worst, a traitor. I lean toward the "at worst" side.

Edited April 4, 2008 by athena_ny

[Kevin and 10]

I will not make any comments about Fonda. I don't want to be banned.

Edited April 4, 2008 by Kevin and Tuyen

[SaadBell 0]

Get over Hanoi Jane, it is just a thing to make you forget about the screw up in Iraq. I really am pulling for Barack Obama, but they are coming out of the wood work trying to find something, anything, to take him out. They are runny scared, and the shape of the government they should be ashamed.

[JeanneVictoria 55]

I can not wait to not attend her funeral.

I am one of the first in line to piss on her grave.