Jane Fonda endorses Obama

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

she's a waste of skin.

[Dan J 277]

I think the Vietnam War, and wether you were for or against it defined poltics for several decades afterwards.

But now, many people getting involved in politcs today, where either too young or not even born yet when the Vietnam War happened. Bringing up the labels and sterotypes from that generation have little weight today.

[Alex+R 0]

I think the Vietnam War, and wether you were for or against it defined poltics for several decades afterwards.

But now, many people getting involved in politcs today, where either too young or not even born yet when the Vietnam War happened. Bringing up the labels and sterotypes from that generation have little weight today.

Yeah, young people know Jane Fonda as the woman who kissed Stephen Colbert on TV.

[GaryC 7]

I think the Vietnam War, and wether you were for or against it defined poltics for several decades afterwards.

But now, many people getting involved in politcs today, where either too young or not even born yet when the Vietnam War happened. Bringing up the labels and sterotypes from that generation have little weight today.

Yeah, young people know Jane Fonda as the woman who kissed Stephen Colbert on TV.

And then there are those of us that remember seeing her on Walter Cronkite sitting on those AA guns. It's an image that does not die easily.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

I think the Vietnam War, and wether you were for or against it defined poltics for several decades afterwards.

But now, many people getting involved in politcs today, where either too young or not even born yet when the Vietnam War happened. Bringing up the labels and sterotypes from that generation have little weight today.

Yeah, young people know Jane Fonda as the woman who kissed Stephen Colbert on TV.

and eventually they'll get older and wiser.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

1988

"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families. [...] I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft gun, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless..."

2005

"The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter ... sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal ... the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine."

[panamania79 2]

Posted April 3, 2008 7:00 AM

by Andrew Malcolm

Jane Fonda, the actress and ardent anti-Vietnam war advocate who visited North Vietnam during those hostilities, has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.

There were no formal ceremonies for the endorsement. In fact, the Obama campaign may just be learning about the actress's approval now as word spreads like lit gunpowder via the Internet.

Fonda was eating out last night and exited the restaurant, ignoring as celebrities often do the assembled press contingent.

But a video camera was rolling as she approached the street and someone, perhaps just trying to get her to turn around for a picture, shouted out at her back, "Who are you going to vote for?"

There was a moment of silence. Then, the actress did turn around toward the cameras, paused and with a smile said simply, "Obama!" Then she got into a car and drove away.

Many people question the value of celebrity endorsements, whether they actually.attract anything other than simply more publicity, not to mention votes. The imprimatur of Fonda, who's been an antiwar activist for decades, certainly supports Obama's anti-war credentials.

Less examined is whether some celebrity endorsements may actually cost a candidate votes. This could be one of those less desirable votes for part of the country, especially if Obama was hoping to attract some crossover Republicans if he's the Democratic candidate come fall.

Obama, who was recently named the most liberal member of the Senate by the nonpartisan National Journal, has sought to portray himself as the earliest anti-Iraq war opponent and tagged his sole remaining opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton, with voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

The problem for those of a certain generation that endured the Vietnam war and the sometimes violent domestic conflict that accompanied it at home is that during Fonda's controversial wartime visit to North Vietnam, she was photographed at a Communist anti-aircraft gun battery.

According to the photo caption distributed at the time, she joined North Vietnamese soldiers there in singing an anti-war song while preparing to shoot at attacking Americans.

This earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane (indeed, that's the TMZ headline this afternoon) and an enduring image as a polarizing figure, especially regarding patriotism.

As it happens, the Republican presidential candidate this time is Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was one of those American fliers shot down over that same city by those same anti-aircraft forces, tortured and spent nearly six years in a POW cell while Fonda returned home.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/pol...onda_obama.html

Good ol'Hanoi Jane,golly gee. It's hard for me to get over her since I have relatives who fought in Vietnam.She's a traitor and I could care less who she endorses.

[DeadPoolX 9]

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

[✿Ice Rain✿ 0]

FORWARD THIS SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW.

JANE FONDA... TRUE TRAITOR..

She really was a traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do

not remember, and didn't have to bear the

burden that our fathers, mothers and older

brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the

" 100 Women of the Century."

BY BARBRA WALTER

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still

countless others have never known how Ms.

Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,

but specific men who served and sacrificed

during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF

Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison

the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,

cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was

ordered to describe for a visiting American

"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane

treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was

dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, he fell forward

on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which

sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from

double vision (which permanently ended his

flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied

application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the

47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the

"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his

family only knew he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.

His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and

clothed routine in preparation for a

"peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to

get word to the world that they were alive

and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny

piece of paper, with his Social Security Number

on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a

cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each

man's hand and asking little encouraging

snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed

babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane

treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each

palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the

end of the line and once the camera stopped

rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,

she turned to the officer in charge and handed

him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Colonel Carrigan was almost number four

but he survived, which is the only reason we

know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor

in Vietnam , and was captured by the North

Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in

1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one

year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year

in a "black box" in Hanoi .

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately

poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a

nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South

Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the

Cambodian border.

At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.

(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by

the camp communist political officer if I would

be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real

treatment we POWs received... and how

different it was from the treatment purported by

the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as

"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky

floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched

with a large steel weights placed on my hands,

and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda

soon after I was released. I asked her

if she would be willing to debate me on TV.

She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify

someone who should be honored as part

of "100 Years of Great Women."

Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"

should never include a traitor whose hands are

covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral

reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in

blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many

people as you possibly can.

It will eventually end up on her computer and

she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF

716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of

Maintenance

DSN: 875-6431

COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO

EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF

ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER

STATUS WILL CHANGE

[Fandango 1,440]

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

Exactly.

But the truth will be lost in this thread with the 'oh noes! she was anti-war!'

[Craneman 2]

I can not wait to not attend her funeral.

I am one of the first in line to piss on her grave.

[Nagishkaw 510]

I think the Vietnam War, and wether you were for or against it defined poltics for several decades afterwards.

But now, many people getting involved in politcs today, where either too young or not even born yet when the Vietnam War happened. Bringing up the labels and sterotypes from that generation have little weight today.

Yeah, young people know Jane Fonda as the woman who kissed Stephen Colbert on TV.

And then there are those of us that remember seeing her on Walter Cronkite sitting on those AA guns. It's an image that does not die easily.

What about Chet Huntley and David Brinkley ?

[Heracles 417]

As I see it, most of the Vietnam veterans and families of Vietnam veterans never had a problem with Jane Fonda -- or anyone else -- voicing their disapproval of the Vietnam War. One of the benefits of living in the United States is being able to peacefully speak your mind, even if this means voicing opinions that some may see as unpopular.

The issue is that Fonda didn't stop at protesting the war. She went beyond that and actually went over to North Vietnam, posed for pictures with their troops, in addition to "aiding and abetting the enemy." In short, she hurt the U.S. by doing this. While Fonda lacked any military or government secrets to divulge, she was (and still is) considered a celebrity and what the "Hollywood elite" do gets noticed across the world. If one of America's stars comforts the enemy it's fighting, that doesn't look too good and it can only send a very startling message to both friend and foe alike, as well demoralize American troops.

So this whole "Hanoi Jane" bit isn't about Fonda speaking out against the conflict; it's about her actions beyond mere words and protests. Even if her heart was in the right place, she still went too far. Maybe she's realized that now, years later after the event, but at the time, it was a very poor decision to make and could be considered an act of treason, depending on how the circumstances are viewed.

The other thing is how many people did she embolden by showing the enemy, at the time of war, that the other side is a bunch of idiots who do not want to be there. How many lives where lost due to her action alone.

When the United States was forced to leave because of domestic bitching I hold people like her responsible for all of the lives lost there. The lives that the north Vietnamese destroyed when they took over southern Vietnam. Funny how her liberal buddies did not cover the atrocities after the US pulled out. Maybe she can go talk to my friend who lost his family when the NV took over southern vietnam. Maybe she can apologize for him seeing his sister and mother being raped and killed. ###### you Jane Fonda. And that goes to every other drug ###### hippie out there who kicked and screamed for the US to get out.

Now their drug ###### kids want us to do the same thing in Iraq. But this time we will be there to film the consequences of their decisions, if this happens again.

Edited April 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Heracles 417]

Plus the fact that they ruined the US's reputation overseas. The US is infamous for pulling out abroad, not for being there. Dumb jobless Hippie ####..

Here you go Steven. Another example of how liberals ###### America. Their actions during the vietnam war..

Edited April 4, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

I can not wait to not attend her funeral.

I am one of the first in line to piss on her grave.

there will be a long line for that.