Medical Exam in Moscow

[eekee 182]

I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to protect a woman you love. But the attitude sometimes veers toward protecting them from the place they've obviously managed to survive in all these years just fine. The Russian women I know are far more street smart than their American equivalents on average.

I get harassed by men just as much in America as I do in Russia. The men in america also tend to be more sober when they do it, which isn't really an advantage.

Again, not trying to say that there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to ensure the safety of a woman you love...

And your not really in a place to tell me whos safety I pay for. I dont worry about myself, I worry about her.

[visaveteran1 33]

Mox "the antagonizer" Pitbull Animal

Mox: Forum provocateur. It's that Northern California thing...he can't help it.

[Bobalouie 0]

I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to protect a woman you love. But the attitude sometimes veers toward protecting them from the place they've obviously managed to survive in all these years just fine. The Russian women I know are far more street smart than their American equivalents on average.

I get harassed by men just as much in America as I do in Russia. The men in america also tend to be more sober when they do it, which isn't really an advantage.

Again, not trying to say that there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to ensure the safety of a woman you love...

And your not really in a place to tell me whos safety I pay for. I dont worry about myself, I worry about her.

I completely agree with what you are saying, but there is a subtle point that is not distinctly made. A woman from any town knows how to survive in that town or similar towns. When that same woman goes to Moscow for the first time, she probably does not. Same with here, I know where I am and where I shouldnt be when walking around my city, but put me in New York or any other big city I have never been and my basic survival skills are still intact, but my opportunity to get into a tight spot increases dramatically.

[visaveteran1 33]

I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to protect a woman you love. But the attitude sometimes veers toward protecting them from the place they've obviously managed to survive in all these years just fine. The Russian women I know are far more street smart than their American equivalents on average.

I get harassed by men just as much in America as I do in Russia. The men in america also tend to be more sober when they do it, which isn't really an advantage.

Again, not trying to say that there's anything inherently wrong with wanting to ensure the safety of a woman you love...

And your not really in a place to tell me whos safety I pay for. I dont worry about myself, I worry about her.

Certainly not inherently wrong. Isn't it inherently right to want this? Maybe you just misspoke?

[mox 298]

One thing I think you need to realize Ekee (and maybe you do) is that men have a primal need to "protect" their women. We know they've lived on those streets all their life, but once they fall under our umbrella we feel the responsibility falls to us to shield them from harm. It's not anything I can explain, and it is sometimes manifested irrationally, but it is what it is.

[mox 298]

Mox: Forum provocateur. It's that Northern California thing...he can't help it.

Nancy Pelosi put me up to it.

[visaveteran1 33]

Mox: Forum provocateur. It's that Northern California thing...he can't help it.

Nancy Pelosi put me up to it.

:lol:

[eekee 182]

no, I do understand this about men. Even my platonic guy friends are always very conscious of my safety. There are dangers which exist in Russia which don't really exist in the United States (neonazi skinhead fascists going "hunting" for minorities, packs of feral dogs attacking people, etc.) but stuff like sexual assault happens everywhere. One of the reasons why i say Russia is more dangerous for men is that if a bunch of guys do jump you, in Russia probably people won't intervene and often the police won't either. Many criminals are actually aligned with the police--like thieves who hang around metro stations. People just don't want to get involved.

And Bobalouie you make a good point about a strange city. I do not like going to small cities in Russia.

One thing I think you need to realize Ekee (and maybe you do) is that men have a primal need to "protect" their women. We know they've lived on those streets all their life, but once they fall under our umbrella we feel the responsibility falls to us to shield them from harm. It's not anything I can explain, and it is sometimes manifested irrationally, but it is what it is.

[Bobalouie 0]

no, I do understand this about men. Even my platonic guy friends are always very conscious of my safety. There are dangers which exist in Russia which don't really exist in the United States (neonazi skinhead fascists going "hunting" for minorities, packs of feral dogs attacking people, etc.) but stuff like sexual assault happens everywhere. One of the reasons why i say Russia is more dangerous for men is that if a bunch of guys do jump you, in Russia probably people won't intervene and often the police won't either. Many criminals are actually aligned with the police--like thieves who hang around metro stations. People just don't want to get involved.

And Bobalouie you make a good point about a strange city. I do not like going to small cities in Russia.

One thing I think you need to realize Ekee (and maybe you do) is that men have a primal need to "protect" their women. We know they've lived on those streets all their life, but once they fall under our umbrella we feel the responsibility falls to us to shield them from harm. It's not anything I can explain, and it is sometimes manifested irrationally, but it is what it is.

Its better if other people dont get involved to help, especially the police. I dont have to worry about maiming and disfiguring innocent people when I am attacked, or go to jail for doing it I dont like to have to make an "innocent, but thought to be involved" descision when I am enjoying my lifes work

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Ah yes, the protector role. Reminds me of another of my little tales. Sitting in café one fine Saturday night and this completely drunken guy starts to hit on every woman in the joint. I make a comment about he better not try it at this table. Alla, calmly looks at me, "Jeffery, I have lived in Russia for 36 years. You maybe think I have not been in this situation hundreds of times? I am perhaps foolish girl not able to find exit to this problem? You will do nothing! Only sit peacefully." Within a few minutes, the guy approached our little table in the corner. Alla gave him one look and began to spew some serious мат. This guy froze in his steps turned away and left us completely alone. "You see my love, you would have started fight. Maybe we would later had to have talk with militsiya. That would be terrible for you. I found simple exit." I didn't ask her exactly what she said to the guy. But I know it had to be very good!

[mox 298]

Ah yes, the protector role. Reminds me of another of my little tales. Sitting in café one fine Saturday night and this completely drunken guy starts to hit on every woman in the joint. I make a comment about he better not try it at this table. Alla, calmly looks at me, "Jeffery, I have lived in Russia for 36 years. You maybe think I have not been in this situation hundreds of times? I am perhaps foolish girl not able to find exit to this problem? You will do nothing! Only sit peacefully." Within a few minutes, the guy approached our little table in the corner. Alla gave him one look and began to spew some serious мат. This guy froze in his steps turned away and left us completely alone. "You see my love, you would have started fight. Maybe we would later had to have talk with militsiya. That would be terrible for you. I found simple exit." I didn't ask her exactly what she said to the guy. But I know it had to be very good!

That's too funny. I had almost the same exact thing happen, but it was outside while we were walking to dinner. And Nadya didn't warn me of what was to come. Right about the time I started to pull her back to confront the guy, she unleashed with some, as you say, serious мат. Hell, my testicles shriveled, and I was outside the cone of destruction. The poor idiot she put down must have been recovering from that assault for days.

[Bobalouie 0]

Ah yes, the protector role. Reminds me of another of my little tales. Sitting in café one fine Saturday night and this completely drunken guy starts to hit on every woman in the joint. I make a comment about he better not try it at this table. Alla, calmly looks at me, "Jeffery, I have lived in Russia for 36 years. You maybe think I have not been in this situation hundreds of times? I am perhaps foolish girl not able to find exit to this problem? You will do nothing! Only sit peacefully." Within a few minutes, the guy approached our little table in the corner. Alla gave him one look and began to spew some serious мат. This guy froze in his steps turned away and left us completely alone. "You see my love, you would have started fight. Maybe we would later had to have talk with militsiya. That would be terrible for you. I found simple exit." I didn't ask her exactly what she said to the guy. But I know it had to be very good!

That's too funny. I had almost the same exact thing happen, but it was outside while we were walking to dinner. And Nadya didn't warn me of what was to come. Right about the time I started to pull her back to confront the guy, she unleashed with some, as you say, serious мат. Hell, my testicles shriveled, and I was outside the cone of destruction. The poor idiot she put down must have been recovering from that assault for days.

[visaveteran1 33]

Ah yes, the protector role. Reminds me of another of my little tales. Sitting in café one fine Saturday night and this completely drunken guy starts to hit on every woman in the joint. I make a comment about he better not try it at this table. Alla, calmly looks at me, "Jeffery, I have lived in Russia for 36 years. You maybe think I have not been in this situation hundreds of times? I am perhaps foolish girl not able to find exit to this problem? You will do nothing! Only sit peacefully." Within a few minutes, the guy approached our little table in the corner. Alla gave him one look and began to spew some serious мат. This guy froze in his steps turned away and left us completely alone. "You see my love, you would have started fight. Maybe we would later had to have talk with militsiya. That would be terrible for you. I found simple exit." I didn't ask her exactly what she said to the guy. But I know it had to be very good!

That's too funny. I had almost the same exact thing happen, but it was outside while we were walking to dinner. And Nadya didn't warn me of what was to come. Right about the time I started to pull her back to confront the guy, she unleashed with some, as you say, serious мат. Hell, my testicles shriveled, and I was outside the cone of destruction. The poor idiot she put down must have been recovering from that assault for days.

I think Russian women have a "street brawler" gene. My wife has given me a "look" that would make dogs bark and children cry! :help:

[Satellite 1]

You guys had quite a discussion about cheapness while I was working all day!

I am jealous I want a job that will pay me the kind of money some of the older wealthier people on this board have and still be able to discuss cheapness all day!

I also noticed $30 being thrown around as the price of a cab from SVO2 to SVO1. As far as I can remember, nobody on here ever mentioned that. Instead it was something like, I haggled and got the price down from $250 to $150 from SVO2 to SVO1. And that's when I would interject in amazement.

As far as ages. I was 20 when I made my first trip to Russia in 2003. I had to save all my in school earnings for about 12 months to spend $3,000. Next year same thing but needed double the amount with my wife coming over and all the extra costs in sponsoring an immigrant. Back then I didn't even have a credit card to my name, so I couldn't spend the extra money if I wanted to.

I guess the best option would have been to wait until I was 30 - 50, divorced, and financially successful.

And when someone one here asks, what is the "cheapest way to..." in Russia, what I am supposed to say...go see some website catered to Westerns vising Russia and get ripped off like everyone suggests?

Speaking of financial troubles, I actually landed a job working for a Bankruptcy firm two weeks ago. I guess it is a perfect fit.

Edited April 8, 2008 by Satellite

[mox 298]

I also noticed $30 being thrown around as the price of a cab from SVO2 to SVO1. As far as I can remember, nobody on here ever mentioned that. Instead it was something like, I haggled and got the price down from $250 to $150 from SVO2 to SVO1. And that's when I would interject in amazement.

Then you have a poor memory, perhaps because your body is too cheap to allocate the proper number of neurons to this information. Nobody to my recollection paid $150 for a cab between SVO2 and SVO1. It might have been as high as $60.

And when someone one here asks, what is the "cheapest way to..." in Russia, what I am supposed to say...go see some website catered to Westerns vising Russia and get ripped off like everyone suggests?

I addressed this already in a previous post. I (and nobody else here to my knowledge) am not saying that at all. I appreciate the "cheapest way to..." posts. I do not appreciate the "you are a moron because you didn't just share a cab with 11 other strangers" answers.