Russia girls are amazing!

[Corey-Mariya 14]

How long can you get one for? I don't know anyone who has ever gotten one, so I don't really know the limitations but I also believe you can't work on a private visa. We're not talking about visiting Russia here, but actually living there in a real way.

If you cannot get a work visa there is always a homestay visa

I am over here in Russia on one now! been here for 2 months it is good for 3 months and if you want it to be longer you can file for temporary residence which is good for a year! I am not sure about the work part I don't have to work when I am over here

[Satellite 1]

I am not sure about the work part I don't have to work when I am over here

You can't work on a private visa unless you convert it to the temporary residence, however, a lot of Russians work informally without showing any documents and get paid in "cash". Tax evasion really on both the employer and employees part. Other times the employee wants to avoid reporting income for child support reasons.

[slim 1,533]

Thanks for sharing your two kopeks, Mr. "kind eyes"..... It's not often we get an in-depth look into the personal details of romantic relations between two people, how it started, how it developed, and their hopes and aspirations for the future. A very good read!

And for everyone else... what are we arguing about now? The best visa? My vote is for no visas at all. Move out of the U.S., out of Russia, and go somewhere neat and exciting like the Caribbean. Sell hats and T-shirts to tourists and eat what you can catch. Drink rum and smile. Ah, the good life! So how do I get a visa there???

[eekee 182]

*shrug*

I went to Russia for a long term stay even before I had anyone there.

And you living with her for one year is very unique...and I wonder why so long but that's really your business. Clearly very few of us can or would want to spend a year in an environment that does not resemble the ultimate world we must share with our wives down the road. And if you fail, you've given up one year and all the associated sacrifices you made. That's a lot of risk to accept, in my eyes...but then, you're a younger man so maybe you see it differently.

Anyway, I can see that you have looked fully at half the puzzle by being with Alla and observing her in her home environment...but I don't know that you're ultimate success is assured until you both address the other half of the puzzle...marriage and life in the USA. That's the tough half...so even with that long year together, coming to America is radically different, so all bets are off. Yes?

[Satellite 1]

And for everyone else... what are we arguing about now?

I'll bring it back on topic.

I, on the other hand, was in America, dating my 20th or so “cookie cutter” divorced woman that only wanted to tell me about her horrible, worthless, past husband and how many pills she takes to keep her stable albeit emotionless in everyday life. None had sparked anything in me other than my desire to run out the café as quickly as possible. I had found these ladies on the internet via Match, Yahoo, Cupid, what have you. I didn’t know any single women and had no network of friends that could assist me. The internet seemed my only valid option.

Well this only helps support my argument that those women with the qualities of your Alla who are living right here in the US, whether they be American or Russian, simply aren't "interested" in you and thus unavailable to you for whatever reason that may be, I predict it has something to do with the "lowering standards" concept. So you and many others went looking to Russia. No shame in that. Just admit it.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Thanks Slim!

Thanks for sharing your two kopeks, Mr. "kind eyes"..... It's not often we get an in-depth look into the personal details of romantic relations between two people, how it started, how it developed, and their hopes and aspirations for the future. A very good read!

And for everyone else... what are we arguing about now? The best visa? My vote is for no visas at all. Move out of the U.S., out of Russia, and go somewhere neat and exciting like the Caribbean. Sell hats and T-shirts to tourists and eat what you can catch. Drink rum and smile. Ah, the good life! So how do I get a visa there???

[slim 1,533]

So we're not sugar-coating things anymore....

[Bobalouie 0]

And for everyone else... what are we arguing about now?

I'll bring it back on topic.

I, on the other hand, was in America, dating my 20th or so “cookie cutter” divorced woman that only wanted to tell me about her horrible, worthless, past husband and how many pills she takes to keep her stable albeit emotionless in everyday life. None had sparked anything in me other than my desire to run out the café as quickly as possible. I had found these ladies on the internet via Match, Yahoo, Cupid, what have you. I didn’t know any single women and had no network of friends that could assist me. The internet seemed my only valid option.

Well this only helps support my argument that those women with the qualities of your Alla who are living right here in the US, whether they be American or Russian, simply aren't "interested" in you and thus unavailable to you for whatever reason that may be, I predict it has something to do with the "lowering standards" concept. So you and many others went looking to Russia. No shame in that. Just admit it.

Or you can look at the argument another way. There may not be any women in Kazans area that have his Alla's qualities. Or the subset of population that did have her qualities were already involved with someone.

Why does it always have to be so negative with you?

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

You made my next point for me.

Exactly! I knew two very sweet ladies right here in my home town when I began to circulate again. Both had qualities that I found extremely attractive. I called one up and she admitted a mutual attraction, but guess what... She was engaged now. The other lady I knew was getting to a serious stage in a new relationship as well. My well had dried up quickly. I'm sorry but hanging out at bars and approaching random women in grocery stores ain't for me. I did not want to settle on my minimal expectations and I was willing to open my mind to other avenues including the internet. It just so happened this is where I found Alla. I never stopped looking locally until after I met Alla in person. So, it could have happened I found someone just around the block. It never happened and, still, I have yet to hear of any local lady free to date that would interest me.

And for everyone else... what are we arguing about now?

I'll bring it back on topic.

I, on the other hand, was in America, dating my 20th or so “cookie cutter” divorced woman that only wanted to tell me about her horrible, worthless, past husband and how many pills she takes to keep her stable albeit emotionless in everyday life. None had sparked anything in me other than my desire to run out the café as quickly as possible. I had found these ladies on the internet via Match, Yahoo, Cupid, what have you. I didn’t know any single women and had no network of friends that could assist me. The internet seemed my only valid option.

Well this only helps support my argument that those women with the qualities of your Alla who are living right here in the US, whether they be American or Russian, simply aren't "interested" in you and thus unavailable to you for whatever reason that may be, I predict it has something to do with the "lowering standards" concept. So you and many others went looking to Russia. No shame in that. Just admit it.

Or you can look at the argument another way. There may not be any women in Kazans area that have his Alla's qualities. Or the subset of population that did have her qualities were already involved with someone.

Why does it always have to be so negative with you?

[mox 298]

You made my next point for me.

Exactly! I knew two very sweet ladies right here in my home town when I began to circulate again. Both had qualities that I found extremely attractive. I called one up and she admitted a mutual attraction, but guess what... She was engaged now. The other lady I knew was getting to a serious stage in a new relationship as well. My well had dried up quickly. I'm sorry but hanging out at bars and approaching random women in grocery stores ain't for me. I did not want to settle on my minimal expectations and I was willing to open my mind to other avenues including the internet. It just so happened this is where I found Alla. I never stopped looking locally until after I met Alla in person. So, it could have happened I found someone just around the block. It never happened and, still, I have yet to hear of any local lady free to date that would interest me.

No no no no no. This is just crazy talk. It completely flies in the face of Satellite's prediction. There's only one way you would have looked for a Russian woman, and this is not it. Try again please.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

:lol:

You made my next point for me.

Exactly! I knew two very sweet ladies right here in my home town when I began to circulate again. Both had qualities that I found extremely attractive. I called one up and she admitted a mutual attraction, but guess what... She was engaged now. The other lady I knew was getting to a serious stage in a new relationship as well. My well had dried up quickly. I'm sorry but hanging out at bars and approaching random women in grocery stores ain't for me. I did not want to settle on my minimal expectations and I was willing to open my mind to other avenues including the internet. It just so happened this is where I found Alla. I never stopped looking locally until after I met Alla in person. So, it could have happened I found someone just around the block. It never happened and, still, I have yet to hear of any local lady free to date that would interest me.

No no no no no. This is just crazy talk. It completely flies in the face of Satellite's prediction. There's only one way you would have looked for a Russian woman, and this is not it. Try again please.

[slim 1,533]

So let me get this straight.... it's actually the American guys with the higher standards?

I can't wait to talk this one over around the water cooler. "Mail-order my @$$, there were just no women here up to my high standards. I was forced to look abroad for a woman that would meet all of my expectations."

[sense1 0]

Okay, I read the whole thing and I have a little info to share. I am not fat, bald, old, or rich. On my very first trip to Russia I found:

1. The girl that I visited was very, very different from any American girl that I had dated.

2. She had little material possessions (but the few things she owns are very nice and expensive).

3. That she is suspicious of me and other Russian women.

I went to visit her out of curiousity and I found love. She was good to me on my first visit to her. I was immediatley fascinated by her willingness for affection. I can not explain how she feels about me or if she is only doing this visa thing just to get to America. I can only trust my feelings and how I feel when I am with her (yeah, go ahead I know that you are thinking, that I am a hopeless romantic). It is true maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned. But I have been this way all my life and I'm sure not going to change now, ha ha:)

Currently my fiancee and I are experiencing difficulties in communications. Only time will tell if we are able to overcome this obstacle and work together again towards one common goal... Her getting a visa!

This VJ community is fantastic and has often taken my mind off watching the clock . And to respond to the topic of this thread "Yes, Russian girls are truely amazing!!!

[mox 298]

Currently my fiancee and I are experiencing difficulties in communications. Only time will tell if we are able to overcome this obstacle and work together again towards one common goal... Her getting a visa!

Do you mean language-barrier type problems, or problems communicating relationwhip-wise? This group's experienced it all, so if you're at all inclined to share, you might get some good answers.

[irish44 0]

Okay, I read the whole thing and I have a little info to share. I am not fat, bald, old, or rich. On my very first trip to Russia I found:

1. The girl that I visited was very, very different from any American girl that I had dated.

2. She had little material possessions (but the few things she owns are very nice and expensive).

3. That she is suspicious of me and other Russian women.

I went to visit her out of curiousity and I found love. She was good to me on my first visit to her. I was immediatley fascinated by her willingness for affection. I can not explain how she feels about me or if she is only doing this visa thing just to get to America. I can only trust my feelings and how I feel when I am with her (yeah, go ahead I know that you are thinking, that I am a hopeless romantic). It is true maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned. But I have been this way all my life and I'm sure not going to change now, ha ha:)

Currently my fiancee and I are experiencing difficulties in communications. Only time will tell if we are able to overcome this obstacle and work together again towards one common goal... Her getting a visa!

This VJ community is fantastic and has often taken my mind off watching the clock . And to respond to the topic of this thread "Yes, Russian girls are truely amazing!!!

I have a similar experience as yourself and I am a hopeless romantic as well!

Your points:

1. Yes, they certainly are different!!

2. Tanya had only one nice dress to wear the whole time I was with her. My heart went out to her and I did buy her a new one. She tried to push it a

little bit by wanting the matching purse, sunglasses, etc. Luckily, I went through an agency and we all sat down and cleared things up. I, like you work

5 days a week and live paycheck to paycheck, saving what I can. I made sure that was very clear to her.

3. Going through an agency usually entails seeing more than one girl. I had decided beforehand to see only her ( I didn't say anything to her about that). I know now that she was concerned about me seeing more than one girl and was a bit suspicious as well. I can understand this feeling and as all things, too much is not usually a good thing.

But this is about you and I recommend a translated phone call(s). It could work wonders in clearing things up. I know it saved our relationship more than once. Who to use? I do not know and maybe the others here have a suggestion.

Have you thought about getting her to have some basic English lessons? Have you thought about learning some basic Russian?

Between the two, you might find it easier as time goes by. If you got along well without knowing each other's language, then I believe that is awesome!

On our first date, I told the translator not to be with us. I wanted to see if we had the chemistry between us and we had a great time and laughed about our communication problems ( a pad of paper and a pen and a small dictionary helped).

Good luck to you!!

Edited April 6, 2008 by irish44