Russia girls are amazing!

[mox 298]

So, I won't be seeing Kool Kirk & Naughty Nadya taking over La La Land on a future episode of TMZ?

Well, she wants to go to Disneyland and see Hollywood, so I suppose at some point we'll be down that way. You might see us on Cops.

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

So, I won't be seeing Kool Kirk & Naughty Nadya taking over La La Land on a future episode of TMZ?

Well, she wants to go to Disneyland and see Hollywood, so I suppose at some point we'll be down that way. You might see us on Cops.

[slim 1,533]

Hello Mox, Irish44, Slim, and everyone!

I can speak some Russian and Elvira speaks about 12 words in English. I sent her an English learning language program many months ago (she seems to be in no hurry to learn my language). On all 3 of my visits to her we communicated with an electronic translator. However, by my third visit to Russia I did not need to use it very much. I used an interpreter in the early stages of our relationship. Now I speak to her directly by phone and of course, many emails. I believe the current problem that may or may not end our relationship is the fact that she is being to stubburn to get help from others who have more knowledge.

Elvira(my fiancee) sent me an email with an itemized listing of expenses that I must pay for in order for her to get everything required for her visa. The list is as follows:

$450 for translation and apistle and stamp for all of her documents.

$900 for 2 round-trip train tickets from Ufa to Moscow and back(she and her son must both go to Moscow)

$150 a night for 7 night stay in Moscow for her and her son.

That is over $2000. I have read here that translation, train tickets, and hotels can be found for less money. $2000 may or may not seem like alot of money to you but to me it is incredible! I will add that I send her money every month for food and apartment ($600 per month). I have been doing this for a year. I have set aside money for her and her son's plane ticket to America (courtesy of income tax refund). I already know that I will spend $262($131 x 2) on interview fees, $200 on medical exams($100 x 2), and another $100 for food for her trip to Moscow(I have no problem with this).

A very kind member of this community has offered to speak by email with my fiance to help her find better ways to do things (ie save a little money). My fiance refuses to speak with her and has insulted her (my fiance does not even know this person). She accused me of wanting to be with the person who only wants to help her(yes, she is suspicious of Russian women). I can't figure out why she is being so bull-headed. I do not want to think that she is asking for an inflated amount of money for a shopping excursion but it has crossed my mind. Obviously, I have come to the conclusion that my fiancee is not going to listen to any of my suggestions. On one of my trips to Ufa, her and I rode the train from Ufa to Moscow. The cost was $71 each and we were in a cabin all by ourselves( a premium accommodiation if you will, ha ha!). I will entertain all offers of advice and especially suggestions of how to get my fiance to communicate with someone other than me about this visa process...

P.S. is she my fiance or fiancee? Which is the proper one to use?

I don't think there's a proper one to use in your case. Man, that must be some good "willingness for affection."

Plain and simple, this is a girl that is "financially motivated" and even if you two have had a good time together during your visits and you think there's something still there, the fact that you've been paying her to act like your fiancee is too much.

There are sooooooo many red flags just in your post above. And that's just what you wrote. There's probably a million more over the last couple of years that you've chosen to ignore. I realize that you want to believe that she's the girl for you and it seems like she is and you've gone through all of this stuff just to try to be together. But, dude, there are 48,000 more on another website and you can pretty much custom search for one until you find one that's perfect. I'll bet you a dime to a dollar that if you search for your perfect girl and then offer her $600/month, she'll be willing to take another grand or two from you over the course of the next couple years to say she's your fiancee.

Basically, you've been supporting this girl (and her son) for over a year. So what if she showed you some affection? Women have been doing that since the beginning of time. If you want to believe in international love and are willing to pay all this money, then you are a nice guy. Naive, but nice. To me, that means you need to find a nicer girl because as mox said, Elvira's not going to change once she gets here. If she's willing to take all the money now, you have no idea what she's going to take once she gets here.

I sincerely hope there's a way to work it out for you, but the fact is, it's already "not" working and it's not going to improve just because you pay for her to come here and live with you. You can hope and dream all day, but reality is reality. Find a nice girl and spend your money on her. See what she does. You may just be pleasantly surprised at her "willingness for affection." GOOD LUCK!

I agree, getting my fiancee to take money from me is like pulling teeth. I offer to help her but she always says that she is ok and doesnt want me to spend my money.

My (then) fiancee was like this as well. She now takes money effortlessly and threatens to pull my teeth if I don't give it to her. (In truth, she's very good about not taking money that we need for bills and stuff. But, she's got it calculated pretty well exactly how much "liquid" we have.)

Slim, you always crack me up! From other boards that I am on, I was under the impression that a lot of the Russians in Korea are prostitutes? I'm not trying to denigrate the women or start a flame war, just something I have heard...

I won't go so far as to say a lot of the Russian girls in Korea are prostitutes, but like our poster above, a lot of the girls there have no problem engaging in sexual relations with a guy if it benefits them financially. I knew a lot of girls that would pal around with a guy they had no interest what-so-ever in, and weren't even attracted to, all day long while he bought them new clothes, cds, jewelry, paid for their dental visits, etc. and then they'd head to the motel for a quickie. Other girls would meet a guy for lunch and coffee and after he'd buy them a phone card or two, they'd give him a knobber for "payback."

Call these girls prostitutes and they were insulted.

But, like women everywhere, there's a thin line between using what they've got to get what they want and actually charging a price up front for sexual relations. Personally, I have a lot of respect for prostitutes. They've been the most honest women I've known! At least they're up front about their intentions and actions. And like I always tell my buddies, "If you get a ride in a taxi cab and the meter's not on.... it's just a car."

In all actuality, there are Russian prostitutes in Korea but there are more girls who are there to work in clubs as hostesses, waitresses, dancers, singers, etc. Some of them end up being prostitutes, but a lot of times it's more of a "gray area" with the girl not technically being a "prostitutka" but making a whole lot more money and having sex with a whole lot more guys than what she normally would. Prostitution? You decide!

Plus, when your hobbies are basically going out to see European DJs, shopping, and going to art galleries, well, the middle of the country (outside of Chicago) is not really the place to be.

My wife is right there with you. She's not exactly happy about living in this "big village" of Cincinnati. But, when your hobbies are basically going out to see European DJs, shopping, and going to art galleries, there's not really anywhere in the U.S. that's conducive to this type of lifestyle, mid-America or otherwise. This type of lifestyle is actually pretty expensive here. Not too many people can afford to live that type of lifestyle, and if they do, they either live in the ghetto with six roommates (not a husband or wife) or they have that endless supply of money they call "Daddy."

Stay in Russia, eekee. You'll be much happier. My wife has been here about a year-and-a-half, and she's still not happy with our lifestyle because she can't basically go out to see European DJs, go shopping, and go to art galleries. If you're able to do that now, then keep on doing it. Don't look back. With any luck, maybe you'll see her there someday too.

[eekee 182]

I'm not in Russia... I'm in NYC. And i actually dislike a lot of things about it. That's why I'm leaving for Russia.

Stay in Russia, eekee. You'll be much happier. My wife has been here about a year-and-a-half, and she's still not happy with our lifestyle because she can't basically go out to see European DJs, go shopping, and go to art galleries. If you're able to do that now, then keep on doing it. Don't look back. With any luck, maybe you'll see her there someday too.

[slim 1,533]

I'm not in Russia... I'm in NYC. And i actually dislike a lot of things about it. That's why I'm leaving for Russia.

Stay in Russia, eekee. You'll be much happier. My wife has been here about a year-and-a-half, and she's still not happy with our lifestyle because she can't basically go out to see European DJs, go shopping, and go to art galleries. If you're able to do that now, then keep on doing it. Don't look back. With any luck, maybe you'll see her there someday too.

That's where I keep telling my wife to go! (Russia, not NYC.)

[shikarnov 7]

I'm not in Russia... I'm in NYC. And i actually dislike a lot of things about it. That's why I'm leaving for Russia.

Stay in Russia, eekee. You'll be much happier. My wife has been here about a year-and-a-half, and she's still not happy with our lifestyle because she can't basically go out to see European DJs, go shopping, and go to art galleries. If you're able to do that now, then keep on doing it. Don't look back. With any luck, maybe you'll see her there someday too.

That's where I keep telling my wife to go! (Russia, not NYC.)

I actually have some friends who immigrated to Connecticut (Stamford) from Russia about a year ago who are about to go back because they can't stand it here. I really hope that Ira will be happy here with me. This country has so many problems that I'm not often happy here (but, then again, I also watch way too much news and get way too involved in political discourse).

Of course, I'll do what I can for her, but changing America is really slow work...

Z

[visaveteran1 33]

I'm not in Russia... I'm in NYC. And i actually dislike a lot of things about it. That's why I'm leaving for Russia.

Stay in Russia, eekee. You'll be much happier. My wife has been here about a year-and-a-half, and she's still not happy with our lifestyle because she can't basically go out to see European DJs, go shopping, and go to art galleries. If you're able to do that now, then keep on doing it. Don't look back. With any luck, maybe you'll see her there someday too.

If you're in NYC I can see why Russia looks so good!

[mox 298]

If you're in NYC I can see why Russia looks so good!

You and I don't see eye to eye on the NRA sc, but on this post...WORD!

[visaveteran1 33]

If you're in NYC I can see why Russia looks so good!

You and I don't see eye to eye on the NRA sc, but on this post...WORD!

Hey brother Mox, whenever I can get you to back me on something...I take it!

[mox 298]

Hey brother Mox, whenever I can get you to back me on something...I take it!

[JULIAFERNO 0]

This is an interesting thread.

My father married a ukrainian woman 21 years his junior about 8 years ago. Although she came to the states on a K1 visa, she can't understand why I would want to marry a Turkish man (or any man) who didn't make atleast $100,000 a year. She actually told my father that she thinks I "could do better." The nerve. I quickly put her in her place and reminded her just how she got here.

And did I mention that she doesn't work and has a full-time live-in nanny to take care of her and my father's two children? Ooooh, don't get me started.

[Ilya R. 0]

Russian girls loooooooooooooooove nice things!

[visaveteran1 33]

This is an interesting thread.

My father married a ukrainian woman 21 years his junior about 8 years ago. Although she came to the states on a K1 visa, she can't understand why I would want to marry a Turkish man (or any man) who didn't make atleast $100,000 a year. She actually told my father that she thinks I "could do better." The nerve. I quickly put her in her place and reminded her just how she got here.

And did I mention that she doesn't work and has a full-time live-in nanny to take care of her and my father's two children? Ooooh, don't get me started.

Your father's getting something out of the deal. I think I know what it is. As an aside, a lot of Russian women travel to the Turkish resorts and often encounter the unpleasant and crude advances of some Turkish men. I suspect that may influence her judgment of your boyfriend.

[eekee 182]

Very true. I couldn't figure out why I was getting five requests on facebook from strange turkish men who wanted to be my friend until i realized the same thing was happening to all of my Russian girlfriends.

Your father's getting something out of the deal. I think I know what it is. As an aside, a lot of Russian women travel to the Turkish resorts and often encounter the unpleasant and crude advances of some Turkish men. I suspect that may influence her judgment of your boyfriend.

Edited April 8, 2008 by eekee

[JULIAFERNO 0]

Very true. I couldn't figure out why I was getting five requests on facebook from strange turkish men who wanted to be my friend until i realized the same thing was happening to all of my Russian girlfriends.

Your father's getting something out of the deal. I think I know what it is. As an aside, a lot of Russian women travel to the Turkish resorts and often encounter the unpleasant and crude advances of some Turkish men. I suspect that may influence her judgment of your boyfriend.

I sure hope he's getting something out of the deal - and it's certainly not a meal on the table because she doesn't cook.