AP/AR Losing patterns

[coyote 3]

Hi,

Just wanted to mention that American Families United is lobbying for us to have the right to get information on where the process is after 6 months. Basic transparency, that should be part of a democracy. www.americanfamiliesunited.org.

I just plunked down my $25 and I am volunteering with them to do citizen lobbying.

Acting as motivated and engaged citizens of our country will augment whatever help we may expect to get from the Almighty! So let's go, girls!

Susan

Yes, I have heard people getting visas next day and within 6 months in our embassy while we are here waiting 12 and half months. They even passed the 1 year mark. I am pissed and extremely full of anger right now. When I wrote that topic, I angry about the same reason Julia.

I won't call us unlucky, God's plan for us is different. Believe me, people hardly post their bad experiences after living with their SO's. I would rather wait 12 months and have a good experience than a rushed relationship.

Take this time, as I did, to figure out yourself and find more reasons to never fight or break up once he arrives. Solidify your relationship, and DON'T let any delay destroy your relationship.

I know there are no patterns. If there were, they are gone now. That's why I wrote this topic. Belinda is right, it is in order or difficulty. I don't know why your or my cases are so difficult but whatever it is, the cases WILL be completed.

The biggest truth about life is, no matter how good or bad the situation is, it will change, hopefully for the better, and our SO's will be here with us Insha-Allah (God-Willing.)

God bless,

Tam

[2ond journey 0]

My husband has been on AP for about one month now. Because of what others have been through and them talking about thier experiences about waiting so long, it has prepared me in my mind that I could be waiting for more than a year for AP to clear. He is from Pakistan so it could very well happen to him. I will be going to visit him in one month because of this.

The thing that scares the dickens out of me is if you go through this long AP , say one year or more, than they return your file back to uscis. I have read about it happening before. Just recently it happened to somebody from Morocco and also somebody from Pakistan. A person from Pakistan was on AP for over a year and a half. Then they decided to return it. What a nightmare that would be.

[tammy2688 1]

2ndjourney,

I believe those cases are very rare and they usually pertain to a field visit or investigation where the applicant was found to have other relationships in the home country. I have seen this with an old VJ member and most of the reasons for these are not reported. No, just because I am over 1 year does not mean you will be.

If his name is not common, if he is cleared quickly, has a clear record and no travels, and clearly there is no question of polygamy, there is not much chance that the case will go back to USCIS.

Insha-Allah everything will be ok for you. Don't let the long AP's be your guidance to your AP length, everyone is different and their cases are different. People from bangladesh have gotten their visas within 6 months too. It is not the country anymore...I honestly don't there there is any pattern except that they clear the easier cases first.

Know that God knows your time and it will be perfect for you. Never give up hope and keep in constant contact.

Sending you my love and prayers.

God bless,

Tam

[coyote 3]

Tammy,

I don't think we're here to counsel each other on our relationships. At least that is not what I would look for on a website full of strangers.

It is a great tradition of our democracy here in America to form associations. Alexis deTocqueville wrote about this in the 1800s and it is still true. Citizen action is one of the things that has formed a stable democracy here.

I think it's fine to take a deep breath and realize we can't control everything but at the same time we have a responsibility as citizens to participate in our government. OK? That's America! Let's participate in our civic life!

There are some patterns in this name check stuff, and some of that information is online, btw. More Google, less God.

Susan

Hi,

Just wanted to mention that American Families United is lobbying for us to have the right to get information on where the process is after 6 months. Basic transparency, that should be part of a democracy. www.americanfamiliesunited.org.

I just plunked down my $25 and I am volunteering with them to do citizen lobbying.

Acting as motivated and engaged citizens of our country will augment whatever help we may expect to get from the Almighty! So let's go, girls!

Susan

Yes, I have heard people getting visas next day and within 6 months in our embassy while we are here waiting 12 and half months. They even passed the 1 year mark. I am pissed and extremely full of anger right now. When I wrote that topic, I angry about the same reason Julia.

I won't call us unlucky, God's plan for us is different. Believe me, people hardly post their bad experiences after living with their SO's. I would rather wait 12 months and have a good experience than a rushed relationship.

Take this time, as I did, to figure out yourself and find more reasons to never fight or break up once he arrives. Solidify your relationship, and DON'T let any delay destroy your relationship.

I know there are no patterns. If there were, they are gone now. That's why I wrote this topic. Belinda is right, it is in order or difficulty. I don't know why your or my cases are so difficult but whatever it is, the cases WILL be completed.

The biggest truth about life is, no matter how good or bad the situation is, it will change, hopefully for the better, and our SO's will be here with us Insha-Allah (God-Willing.)

God bless,

Tam

[tammy2688 1]

What I write in my posts and responses is up to me entirely. If Captain Ewok feel it is in violation, he will close the topic.

I am not trying to "counsel" anyone, and for your information it is not only your website so it will not satisfy everything you are looking for. Secondly, I know many of these posters personally for they are not strangers to me. I will not, nor do I have the time to counsel you.

I give my support to my friends when citizen action and inquires for help from senators and embassadors and consulates do not give the effect we always want. This is understandable that with the caseload, it is impossible to get to all of these cases immediately.

I have signed and contributed to petitions and have much knowledge of such work, if you are implying that talking of God means I am sitting here not doing anything, you are gravely wrong. Unfortunately you may not see prayer and and talking of God as "action" or a faction of "action," that is your opinion entirely.

Do me a favor, keep that for your own topic. This is mine, my friends responded and hundreds of people are understanding the situation better.

I will talk about God as many times as I want to. If I wish to talk more or less of God, that is my right entirely. I believe ultimately God has the upper hand in everything so that is why I speak of God. Did I mention God 4 times already? Ok GOOD! I will many more times as much as I please.

I have read virtually every article there is, and when I did not know, I asked many VJ seniors who are amazingly knowledgable, who are my friends, who I cry for and pray for, who keep in contact with me through e-mail, and who are closer to me than many of the people I knew my whole life.

I have started this process and have experienced AP far longer than you can even imagine so sit down and do your research before you give me recommendations.

I know your intentions are good but I have been there done that a hundred times and many will attest to the same thing. I had my faith from day 1 and I have it till now. What makes you think that people who mention God do not participate in government and calling me an irresponsible citizen? What if I have done ten times more than you in terms of civil work, petitioning, and taking advantage of every form of citizen action? You really don't know do you? When you assume, you make an a$$ out of you and me.

Let's refrain from that.

I am praying for all my friends here and wishing them the best. I know we can do it, and it is a matter of holding on and believing.

God bless,

Tam

[emt103c 10]

Coyote--

I haven't seen you around this section much. . . obviously you don't know the emotional condition of people--like us--who have experienced MONTHS of Administrative Processing with no idea how or when we are going to get out.

Tammy has been a member of this forum far longer than you, with very specific knowledge in this area. Before you come into an unfamiliar section of the forum and started trying to tell people how they can and cannot answer other people's questions, maybe you ought to get a feel for the topic.

In addition, Tammy's religion and mention of God are none of your business. While there is separation of church and state in this country, there is also freedom of speech. If you do not appreciate being prayed for or feeling that someone else has faith in God, don't read that line, sentence or post.

It is incredibly insensitive of you to come here with your limited knowledge and newbie support of a fairly influential organization and try to tell us what we can and cannot say. There are far fewer "patterns" than you think in "this name check stuff" as you so eloquently put it. There are far more outliers than you will probably ever allow yourself to acknowledge as your case may speed through.

ALL of us here use our brains and research the topic, none of us think God is just going to plop a visa in our laps, on the contrary, we are quite painfully aware that it is a long, arduous and sometimes very unfair process. Apparently, more so than you realize.

BTW, you may be a stranger, we are not strangers, we are quite the opposite here.

[WonTanNara 0]

I also consider myself to be Tammy's friend and really appreciate her positive outlook.

I had to chuckle to myself when I saw the words "More google, Less God." What? When my fiance was placed on AP five months ago, I Googled the ####### out of the subject. Can I say #######? Sorry if that is a no-no, Captain! Sure, you can find all sorts of information on Mantis, Condor, NCIC and how long the DOS publicly says it "typically" takes to complete security checks. Mantis is "usually" completed in 30 days, Condor is usually completed in 90 days, blah blah blah blah dee blah. But wait, how many of us actually know WHAT security check is being done? After our interview the officer couldn't even tell us what "further processing" needed to be done, I had to consult with my Senator to find out that it was for security clearance. After that I've been able to obtain no further information. Believe me, I've tried every angle. There's also all the things that have been mentioned before, like some people getting their visas the same day, Tammy's case taking a year while another will get their clearance in a couple months, etc, etc, etc. If there are patterns I'd surely love to see the evidence...

I'm with you Tammy, my friend. I've done everything that is possible for me to do and at this point my faith is in God, not google.

[tammy2688 1]

You ladies are wonderful. As they say, friends on the streets, hard to make, but even harder to lose. I would just like to say emt is one of the most knowedgable people I have ever met in my life, and every time I see a post by this member, I must read it and she is one tough cookie to do all of her research and keep her and her husband's faith strong during their process.

WanTanNara, your words ring true, the "usuallys" we get through research fail to be fruitful because each case is highly specific to each applicant. Thank you for your very critical statements, I know you will get through this as you are both a wonderful human being as well as faithful and persistent. You've got the ingredients for success.

Some of the people who I have come to love and respect because of their vast knowledge of AP/AR and consulate processing are MaryandMian, emt103c, Belinda63, Nagishkaw, WOM, and and several other good friends from the 2005-2006 generation.

From them we can get the greater scope of the vast variances of the immigration process, and from exercising our own responsibilty to act do we learn.

Having faith does not correlate in any way to being negligent in action. In fact, those people I mentioned, their faith combined with knowedge has helped them get so far and be successful in the visa journey.

God bless,

Tam

Edited September 25, 2008 by tammy2688

[tammy2688 1]

Coyote--

I haven't seen you around this section much. . . obviously you don't know the emotional condition of people--like us--who have experienced MONTHS of Administrative Processing with no idea how or when we are going to get out.

Tammy has been a member of this forum far longer than you, with very specific knowledge in this area. Before you come into an unfamiliar section of the forum and started trying to tell people how they can and cannot answer other people's questions, maybe you ought to get a feel for the topic.

In addition, Tammy's religion and mention of God are none of your business. While there is separation of church and state in this country, there is also freedom of speech. If you do not appreciate being prayed for or feeling that someone else has faith in God, don't read that line, sentence or post.

It is incredibly insensitive of you to come here with your limited knowledge and newbie support of a fairly influential organization and try to tell us what we can and cannot say. There are far fewer "patterns" than you think in "this name check stuff" as you so eloquently put it. There are far more outliers than you will probably ever allow yourself to acknowledge as your case may speed through.

ALL of us here use our brains and research the topic, none of us think God is just going to plop a visa in our laps, on the contrary, we are quite painfully aware that it is a long, arduous and sometimes very unfair process. Apparently, more so than you realize.

BTW, you may be a stranger, we are not strangers, we are quite the opposite here.

[JULIAFERNO 0]

Tammy,

I don't think we're here to counsel each other on our relationships. At least that is not what I would look for on a website full of strangers.

It is a great tradition of our democracy here in America to form associations. Alexis deTocqueville wrote about this in the 1800s and it is still true. Citizen action is one of the things that has formed a stable democracy here.

I think it's fine to take a deep breath and realize we can't control everything but at the same time we have a responsibility as citizens to participate in our government. OK? That's America! Let's participate in our civic life!

There are some patterns in this name check stuff, and some of that information is online, btw. More Google, less God.

Susan

Coyote - perhaps you are not here for support and counseling, but many of us are. The truth is that we lack control over this process, but what we do have is each other, and if it weren't for this forum I would be a complete mess. I agree with the others, maybe you are a stranger, but we are not. We have become close friends here on VJ. We share each others' heartache, pain, and happiness. We all have Tammy's back, just as she has ours, and if you insult her, you insult many people on this forum. She has provided so much insight, positivity, encouragement and support to many of us. Please think the next time you step up on your soap box and start waving your finger. Thank you.

[coyote 3]

OK, guys! I'm just a little too non-denominational for this group! And definitely not into playing "my pain is worse than yours." For the record, though, Tammy, it would be "Whom God Blesses." Direct object, not subject, whom with an m. Not "who".

Happy trails.

[tammy2688 1]

I still don't understand why you have to spend so much energy hating me and picking at my sentences. If you have so much time, make your own thread and go say whatever you want in it. Don't ####### all over mine.

Thanks

[tammy2688 1]

I was thinking about this for a few moments and a realization hit me - I always wondered why some of the most caring and hard-working people of VJ have left this site. I often write to these people and hear the same thing again and again...that hateful nature, the ignorance, the lack of compassion and understanding of newbies does this to them. They feel after a while, what is the point in sharing thoughts and giving advice when it will be chopped into pieces by individual such as coyote.

This thread was made by me, giving as much insight to AP through my experience and my experience only. I love it when other's are able to relate, because I believe sharing the pain is the most important thing. But overall it is not worth dealing with poisonous people such as this that decide to pick battles and end up with no support anyway.

I will not leave the people who love my words and who feel even a bit comforted by my compassion for them but hate-filled people on this site, who fail to help others and spend their time criticizing in pointless arguments are what makes this site and this world uglier.

Thank you to all of you for your love and support. I will always be there for you.

God bless,

Tam

Edited September 26, 2008 by tammy2688

[WonTanNara 0]

I was thinking about this for a few moments and a realization hit me - I always wondered why some of the most caring and hard-working people of VJ have left this site. I often write to these people and hear the same thing again and again...that hateful nature, the ignorance, the lack of compassion and understanding of newbies does this to them. They feel after a while, what is the point in sharing thoughts and giving advice when it will be chopped into pieces...

Ya know Tam, before you and I personally connected I had decided I was done with VJ for that very reason. I'm tired of hearing all the insults not only to each other but also to our country and to the people who are working our cases. Believe me, I feel the frustration just as much as anybody else but what good does it do to spit venom? When I hear somebody say something like, "What are they doing for the past six months while I wait? Sitting on their lazy @sses?" Uh, no, they are probably working on the THOUSANDS of cases that came in before yours did. And yeah, sometimes it's not a first in-first out deal as I think both you and I have experienced first hand, and there are lots of unfair things about this process, but didn't our mom's always tell us that life is not fair? What's the saying, may God grant me the strength to change the things I can change, the courage to accept the things that I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference. Something like that...

I too am really tired of the constant negative vibes and if it wasn't for you I would have permanently signed off long ago.

Ok I'm getting off my soapbox now, let the stoning begin.

[tammy2688 1]

Jen,

You truly have a most understanding and wonderful soul. Thanks for everything.

Yes, you are right. It is:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. Courage to change the things I can, Wisdom to know the difference, Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, Taking as Jesus did this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it. Trusting that you will make all things right If I surrender to your will. So that I might be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with you forever in the next."

I am here for a handful of people too. When you think of it, thats the same with life. You meet a thousand, and a dozen last. For these dozen, we do a lot. Sometimes we are even give higher priority to their happiness than ours. That's why we wait so long in AP for our SO's and that's why our faith does not crumble.