Being a liberal on VJ!

[Fuzzness 2]

whats with the personal attacks against liberals? isn't that against the tos?

[GaryC 7]

If your a Liberal on this forum you definately have an advantage. The more your party fights amoungst each other the more pissssst you get. Want some change? The love affair between Hillary and Barrack pretty much says it all. Sooooo much LOVE between them. Fckin preachin "LOVE" all the while Hatin

HYPOCRISY!

Mark, I love watching the dems self destruct as much as you do but I have one question:

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I had a nightmare once that I was a liberal.

[Peikko 1,575]

SourceDictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This

lib·er·al /ˈlɪbÉ™rÉ™l, ˈlɪbrÉ™l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.

11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.

12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.

13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

–noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.

15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

Yes, i can quite see why being labeled liberal is something to be ashamed of.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

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Yes, i can quite see why being labeled liberal is something to be ashamed of.

Marc is on a holy crusade to expose all liberals for their hypocritic ways...because hypocrisy only happens when you are liberal. He hasn't reached his own Enlightenment to the reality that hypocrisy exists among even the holiest of holy Republicans.

hy·poc·ri·sy

1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

...

Mark Foley

U.S. Representative

(September 28, 2006)

The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.

The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.

The Quote: “get a ruler and measure it for me”

....

Ted Haggard

Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals

(November 2006)

The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.

The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.

The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”

....

Larry Craig

U.S. Senator

Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign

(June 11, 2007)

The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom

The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.

The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”

....

Bob Allen

Member of the Florida House of Representatives

Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign

(July 11, 2007)

The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”

The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.

The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”

.....

Glenn Murphy Jr.

National Chairman of the Young Republicans

Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party

(July 28, 2007)

The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-####### resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.

The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.

The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)

http://www.badmouth.net/top-five-republica...y-sex-scandals/

[Nessa 23]

I'm half liberal and half conservative.

[GaryC 7]

SourceDictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This

lib·er·al /ˈlɪbÉ™rÉ™l, ˈlɪbrÉ™l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.

11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.

12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.

13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

–noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.

15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

Yes, i can quite see why being labeled liberal is something to be ashamed of.

It's not the dictionary definition but the political policies that are in question. Being liberal in your personal views (like the dictionary definition) isn't a bad thing but the liberal political policies and their natural outcomes are what is in question.

Take definition #5 for instance. Liberal politics tend to squash freedom of action with endless laws restricting the exercising of actions they don't agree with. As an example, bans on public smoking, the ability of a law abiding person to own a gun and attempts to enact the "fairness doctrine" to restrict conservative talk radio. Further, liberal politics tend to want to "take care of" anyone that isn't doing as well as the rest of the country. To a conservative this runs counter to our ideals of self reliance. A safety net is one thing but to take care of certain segments of society in perpetuity only hurts that group by keeping them dependent. Liberal politics also tend discourage success with punitive taxes on those that have worked hard and have gotten ahead to fund their ideals of "societal equality".

Edited March 29, 2008 by GaryC

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PH, that's a dictionary definition.

To a conservative, a liberal is something else entirely. See http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118861.

I'm not saying I agree. But that's how they see it. Maybe they're the ones with the mental disorder?

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't see anywhere in liberalism the notion that one has to like or love every other individual. I am not suggesting that hate is an admirable quality or anything similar, but all that is required of someone who espouses liberal thinking is to allow for freedom of the individual and that their own freedom does not impact or impair the freedom of others. Therefore the notion that Hillary has to 'love' Barack of vice versa is a non starter anyway. Libearlism isn't 60's hippy free love although that does appear to be the translation sometimes.

Gary, my understanding of political liberalism doesn't match yours. Freedom of the individual is the essense of liberalism and so long as you don't impact on others while excercising that freedom then you can pretty much do as you please, therefore gun ownership is a liberal concept.

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Marc is on a holy crusade to expose all liberals for their hypocritic ways...

Is that what it is?

All I get from him is that he sees everything as a matter of lovin' and hatin'.

[Peikko 1,575]

Again, liberals don't want to take care of anyone except themselves. I believe there is an offshoot of liberalism that might espouse more social concepts, but political liberalism per se does not espouse any social rights or responsiblities.

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Again, liberals don't want to take care of anyone except themselves. I believe there is an offshoot of liberalism that might espouse more social concepts, but political liberalism per se does not espouse any social rights or responsiblities.

Liberalism in the context of American politics does not promote gun ownership. I think you and Gary are talking about two entirely different liberalisms.

[Peikko 1,575]

Link

The link should prove useful if you want to actually understand liberalism.

Well, I don't understand the American version of liberalism then. The only thing it appears to stand for is a pretext to be nasty to anyone you don't agree with. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

[GaryC 7]

I don't see anywhere in liberalism the notion that one has to like or love every other individual. I am not suggesting that hate is an admirable quality or anything similar, but all that is required of someone who espouses liberal thinking is to allow for freedom of the individual and that their own freedom does not impact or impair the freedom of others. Therefore the notion that Hillary has to 'love' Barack of vice versa is a non starter anyway. Libearlism isn't 60's hippy free love although that does appear to be the translation sometimes.

Gary, my understanding of political liberalism doesn't match yours. Freedom of the individual is the essense of liberalism and so long as you don't impact on others while excercising that freedom then you can pretty much do as you please, therefore gun ownership is a liberal concept.

I am referring to the mainstream political liberalism that is in practice in Washington today. I have no qualms with a person having a live and let live attitude. There is a difference between personal liberal ideals and liberal politics.

[Peikko 1,575]

Again, I don't understand what you mean by that Gary. It doesn't make sense. Political Liberalism is what it is, it isn't something that you can just call something just because it's convenient.