Condoleeza Rice says "black Americans loved this country even when this country didn't love them"

[one...two...tree 2,762]

First, were talking about social behaviors which nobody can accurately observe let alone make a hypothesis from just casual observation. Think about it. If I grew up in a predominantly Greek American neighborhood and was subjected to harassment including being beaten up by the locals, does that mean if I draw the conclusion that Greeks are prone to violence, my hypothesis would be valid?

Lets consider another scenario. Do you think someone from Toyota has a 'right' to comment on the way GM and Ford is run if they have ever seen or been to their plants. I would say yes. Clearly you would say no. The guy from Toyota would obviously use his own experience and judgment to form an overview of what he 'believes' to be the issue for the other two manufacturers. To the contrary based on what you have been say your logic would be that his view is irrelevant because he has not been to a Ford or GM plant.

PS Please don't insult your own intelligence by responding with a what does toyota and GM have to do with the situation.

Way to dodge the question. I'll ask again ...specifically, if I grew up in a predominantly Greek American neighborhood and was subjected to harassment and being beaten up by the locals, would I be valid to draw the conclusion that Greek Americans are prone to violence? Just a simple yes or no.

[Heracles 417]

Your "rules" are all very nice - even nicer seeing as you've been tweaking them all day, and have now dropped PH's name from the school.

But... These are all things you have said. And its demonstrated quite clearly that this is your conception of the "the black community" - Gangbangers and Jeremiah Wright.

Tweaking is what "engineers" do..

The following is my favorite post..

First, were talking about social behaviors which nobody can accurately observe let alone make a hypothesis from just casual observation. Think about it. If I grew up in a predominantly Greek American neighborhood and was subjected to harassment including being beaten up by the locals, does that mean if I draw the conclusion that Greeks are prone to violence, my hypothesis would be valid?

Lets consider another scenario. Do you think someone from Toyota has a 'right' to comment on the way GM and Ford is run if they have ever seen or been to their plants. I would say yes. Clearly you would say no. The guy from Toyota would obviously use his own experience and judgment to form an overview of what he 'believes' to be the issue for the other two manufacturers. To the contrary based on what you have been say your logic would be that his view is irrelevant because he has not been to a Ford or GM plant.

PS Please don't insult your own intelligence by responding with a what does toyota and GM have to do with the situation.

Way to dodge the question. I'll ask again ...specifically, if I grew up in a predominantly Greek American neighborhood and was subjected to harassment and being beaten up by the locals, would I be valid to draw the conclusion that Greek Americans are prone to violence? Just a simple yes or no.

No.

[Sheriff Uling 3]

I am most surprised that the current administration permitted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the levity to discuss such a divisive topic and to label it as our great nation's "birth defect" is a very strong (but true) statement. No wonder so many American's see a psychiatrist. I believe the term is “Bilateralracialitis”. Okay! I made that up! However, America is still obviously suffering from the polarization of race that is evident when discussions amongst folks of the same and different ethnicities arise. As I have mentioned before, African-Americans are now living in the first post oppression, post slavery, post segregation, and post everything that held them back era. There are a lot basic family, social, and economic elements that African-Americans have to iron out for themselves. Just think about it! After natural disasters, the earth does not automatically flourish as if nothing ever happened. There is a period of adapting, re-growth, and development that must take place and the same holds true for the African-American communities. People tend to look at the present day opportunities allotted to African-Americans (as if the past discretions of this great nation never existed) and judge them based on that seemingly overlooking the devastation and that forged the foundation of African-Americans experience, which leads me back to the basic family, social, and economic changes that African-Americans must acknowledge, adjust, and correct for themselves in order to bring about the change that many Americans actually wish for in the African American communities. This current generation may not have caused or took part in the racial disasters of our great nation, but it will be this generation moving forward that has to work within the pain and challenges caused by those same racial disasters. I still have hope in the future generations to come.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

p.s. - Believe it or not... Accept it or not... America has a vested interest to ensure their citizens on a broader scale succeed because that nourishes all that is great about America.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No.

Thank you. So then how would you explain their behavior? (The Greek Americans in my neighborhood)

I am most surprised that the current administration permitted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the levity to discuss such a divisive topic and to label it as our great nation's "birth defect" is a very strong (but true) statement. No wonder so many American's see a psychiatrist. I believe the term is “Bilateralracialitis”. Okay! I made that up! However, America is still obviously suffering from the polarization of race that is evident when discussions amongst folks of the same and different ethnicities arise. As I have mentioned before, African-Americans are now living in the first post oppression, post slavery, post segregation, and post everything that held them back era. There are a lot basic family, social, and economic elements that African-Americans have to iron out for themselves. Just think about it! After natural disasters, the earth does not automatically flourish as if nothing ever happened. There is a period of adapting, re-growth, and development that must take place and the same holds true for the African-American communities. People tend to look at the present day opportunities allotted to African-Americans (as if the past discretions of this great nation never existed) and judge them based on that seemingly overlooking the devastation and that forged the foundation of African-Americans experience, which leads me back to the basic family, social, and economic changes that African-Americans must acknowledge, adjust, and correct for themselves in order to bring about the change that many Americans actually wish for in the African American communities. This current generation may not have caused or took part in the racial disasters of our great nation, but it will be this generation moving forward that has to work within the pain and challenges caused by those same racial disasters. I still have hope in the future generations to come.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

p.s. - Believe it or not... Accept it or not... America has a vested interest to ensure their citizens on a broader scale succeed because that nourishes all that is great about America.

Excellent post, Sheriff.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Mister Fancypants

[Heracles 417]

Thank you. So then how would you explain their behavior? (The Greek Americans in my neighborhood)

Maybe they feel segregated from you?

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Thank you. So then how would you explain their behavior? (The Greek Americans in my neighborhood)

Maybe they feel segregated from you?

If the Greeks are all like Alexander, then I guess a neighborhood full of homosexual megalomaniacs who die a slow death due to STDs might explain the violence. I'd be pissed too.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some more context - for anyone who's interested.

Yes because the African continent was so peaceful prior to slavery. Last time I checked the news, today, Africans are still butchering each other in various nations there. So let me see what is worse, slavery or genocide...

Last time I checked the Sudanese are butchering the Sudanese. Cannot blame whitey for this one.

Once again its a failure to understand history. You must mean you did not remember the part where MODERN African genocide and warfare has been based in great part as a disastrous result of European Colonialism? Much like the Middle East if you so choose to consider another effect elsewhere.

Anyway. Pretty much every nation there that has been handed back in pristine condition is now a #####. Whitey's fault. Maybe some cultures simply cannot manage something for ####.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Thank you. So then how would you explain their behavior? (The Greek Americans in my neighborhood)

Maybe they feel segregated from you?

Hmmm...ok. If by giving an explanation are you simultaneously excusing their behavior?

[Heracles 417]

Some more context - for anyone who's interested.

#6 can you ever stay on topic. As usual you have nothing to say apart from BS..

Hmmm...ok. If by giving an explanation are you simultaneously excusing their behavior?

Well they were enslaved for over 400 year so maybe that explains it.

If the Greeks are all like Alexander, then I guess a neighborhood full of homosexual megalomaniacs who die a slow death due to STDs might explain the violence. I'd be pissed too.

You got me bro you got me. ..

Edited March 29, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some more context - for anyone who's interested.

#6 can you ever stay on topic. As usual you have nothing to say apart from BS..

B/S? They're your statements.

[Heracles 417]

I am most surprised that the current administration permitted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the levity to discuss such a divisive topic and to label it as our great nation's "birth defect" is a very strong (but true) statement. No wonder so many American's see a psychiatrist. I believe the term is “Bilateralracialitis”. Okay! I made that up! However, America is still obviously suffering from the polarization of race that is evident when discussions amongst folks of the same and different ethnicities arise. As I have mentioned before, African-Americans are now living in the first post oppression, post slavery, post segregation, and post everything that held them back era. There are a lot basic family, social, and economic elements that African-Americans have to iron out for themselves. Just think about it! After natural disasters, the earth does not automatically flourish as if nothing ever happened. There is a period of adapting, re-growth, and development that must take place and the same holds true for the African-American communities. People tend to look at the present day opportunities allotted to African-Americans (as if the past discretions of this great nation never existed) and judge them based on that seemingly overlooking the devastation and that forged the foundation of African-Americans experience, which leads me back to the basic family, social, and economic changes that African-Americans must acknowledge, adjust, and correct for themselves in order to bring about the change that many Americans actually wish for in the African American communities. This current generation may not have caused or took part in the racial disasters of our great nation, but it will be this generation moving forward that has to work within the pain and challenges caused by those same racial disasters. I still have hope in the future generations to come.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

p.s. - Believe it or not... Accept it or not... America has a vested interest to ensure their citizens on a broader scale succeed because that nourishes all that is great about America.

The first person to have their own opinion. :dance:

Maybe you can learn something #6. There is hope for you..

[Heracles 417]

B/S? They're your statements.

From now on I am going to use and . Until you or anyone else who plays by your rules stops talking #######.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Maybe you can learn something #6. There is hope for you..

Sure - hope for me.

But no cure for fools.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

Maybe you can learn something #6. There is hope for you..

Sure - hope for me.

But no cure for fools.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am most surprised that the current administration permitted Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the levity to discuss such a divisive topic and to label it as our great nation's "birth defect" is a very strong (but true) statement. No wonder so many American's see a psychiatrist. I believe the term is “Bilateralracialitisâ€. Okay! I made that up! However, America is still obviously suffering from the polarization of race that is evident when discussions amongst folks of the same and different ethnicities arise. As I have mentioned before, African-Americans are now living in the first post oppression, post slavery, post segregation, and post everything that held them back era. There are a lot basic family, social, and economic elements that African-Americans have to iron out for themselves. Just think about it! After natural disasters, the earth does not automatically flourish as if nothing ever happened. There is a period of adapting, re-growth, and development that must take place and the same holds true for the African-American communities. People tend to look at the present day opportunities allotted to African-Americans (as if the past discretions of this great nation never existed) and judge them based on that seemingly overlooking the devastation and that forged the foundation of African-Americans experience, which leads me back to the basic family, social, and economic changes that African-Americans must acknowledge, adjust, and correct for themselves in order to bring about the change that many Americans actually wish for in the African American communities. This current generation may not have caused or took part in the racial disasters of our great nation, but it will be this generation moving forward that has to work within the pain and challenges caused by those same racial disasters. I still have hope in the future generations to come.

I certainly agree with you here. Unfortunately its seems that there are some within our society with lowered expectations who don't believe the African American experience (or indeed the African experience) can be anything more than it currently is.

Those people, as much as anyone are holding us back from an open, honest dialog.

Edited March 29, 2008 by Number 6