Condoleeza Rice says "black Americans loved this country even when this country didn't love them"

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Our suggestion, as people that have this so-called fixation with history, is for those that want to contribute to a solution to the present situation to get off their rear end and contribute actively in the creation of solutions with or without the understanding that those who do not allow themselves the process of learning at least in hindsight are condemned to repeat the past's blunders.

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Reparations! Err, also discussed for countless pages:

Common sense, investing in the communities via the creation of (a learning curve) self-sustaining, well-educated, well-funded, incentive-driven programs that drive power into poverty-ridden places.

So why has this not been done? What is the delay? What is the road block/ "brick wall"? What would you call "incentive-driven programs"? Any ideas on how me create a learning-environment..

Because "it having not been done" is a particular facet of historical circumstance. Yesterday was history.

People are too busy pointing fingers and thinking that they can sweep yesterday's problems under an imaginary carpet and reality does not work that way anywhere on this planet.

Nevertheless, its happening in places here where constituents hold their politicians and community leaders accountable for their actions, contrary to the belief that all in these communities are of a particular cut.

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Our suggestion, as people that have this so-called fixation with history, is for those that want to contribute to a solution to the present situation to get off their rear end and contribute actively in the creation of solutions with or without the understanding that those who do not allow themselves the process of learning at least in hindsight are condemned to repeat the past's blunders.

Slavery is over and has been for centuries. Segregation is also over. A repetition of the past is a little stretched now don't you think. I will spend the next few days reading up on slavery and segregation so I can be up to scratch on American history.

What I would like to know is, what are these real-world workable solutions? Who will we hold accountable for these programs?

Edited March 28, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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Our suggestion, as people that have this so-called fixation with history, is for those that want to contribute to a solution to the present situation to get off their rear end and contribute actively in the creation of solutions with or without the understanding that those who do not allow themselves the process of learning at least in hindsight are condemned to repeat the past's blunders.

Slavery is over and has been for centuries. Segregation is also over. A repetition of the past is a little stretched now don't you think. I will spend the next few days reading up on slavery and segregation so I can be up to scratch on American history.

What I would like to know is, what are these real world workable solutions? Who will be hold accountable for these programs?

Yes, those actions are over, but their socioeconomic consequences are absolutely not. Which is sadly what many have been trying to say to no avail.

Who will be held accountable?

Its not to be thought of that way. That rationalization is polarizing for society. The time for reparations is long lost in history to a time when promises made were not kept.

Who will subsidize a real desegregation of American society? You guessed it. Anyone in America that spends and earns money in America.

Edited March 28, 2008 by maviwaro

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Because "it having not been done" is a particular facet of historical circumstance. Yesterday was history.

People are too busy pointing fingers and thinking that they can sweep yesterday's problems under an imaginary carpet and reality does not work that way anywhere on this planet.

Nevertheless, its happening in places here where constituents hold their politicians and community leaders accountable for their actions, contrary to the belief that all in these communities are of a particular cut.

It was quite obvious in the other thread that while I was hammered about being ignorant of American history, no one actually offered anything more than basic solutions. Throwing out a few clichés like "we need change" is not a solution. History will repeat itself when people vote someone in who runs a campaign on slogans rather than actual results.

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Because "it having not been done" is a particular facet of historical circumstance. Yesterday was history.

People are too busy pointing fingers and thinking that they can sweep yesterday's problems under an imaginary carpet and reality does not work that way anywhere on this planet.

Nevertheless, its happening in places here where constituents hold their politicians and community leaders accountable for their actions, contrary to the belief that all in these communities are of a particular cut.

It was quite obvious in the other thread that while I was hammered about being ignorant of American history, no one actually offered anything more than basic solutions. Throwing out a few clichés like "we need change" is not a solution. History will repeat itself when people vote someone in who runs a campaign on slogans rather than actual results.

That's an altogether different topic. It is difficult offering solutions while having so much fun reminding the ignorance of its indisposition to not change.

Change usually is logical in steps. First you identify its need. Second you call out for it. Third you do it.

For example:

1. I need beer. History and common sense tells me its Friday today.

2. I want to leave work and go have a beer. I will do that.

3. I am going to leave NOW.

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Yes, those actions are over, but their socioeconomic consequences are absolutely not. Which is sadly what many have been trying to say to no avail.

Who will be held accountable?

Its not to be thought of that way. That rationalization is polarizing for society.

Who will subsidize a real desegregation of American society? You guessed it. Anyone in America that spends and earns money in America.

The buck has to stop with someone otherwise nothing will be done. To be honest this is where the parliamentary system stands out. Where I can find the particular minister responsible and hold them accountable. Everyone here seems to pass the ball to somebody else.

Detroit, Phil, Baltimore etc will not fix themselves up. If you think I argue with you guys you should ask some of the gated community types I know here. How I ask them what good is a 10 acre gated community when the rest of your city, your country looks like ####. But of course they give me the stereotypical American response of it's not my problem. This mentality is something I will never understand.

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That's an altogether different topic. It is difficult offering solutions while having so much fun reminding the ignorance of its indisposition to not change.

Change usually is logical in steps. First you identify its need. Second you call out for it. Third you do it.

For example:

1. I need beer. History and common sense tells me its Friday today.

2. I want to leave work and go have a beer. I will do that.

3. I am going to leave NOW.

I see. In other words full of #### like everyone else with similar views. Can't walk the talk.

Edited March 28, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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Yes, those actions are over, but their socioeconomic consequences are absolutely not. Which is sadly what many have been trying to say to no avail.

Who will be held accountable?

Its not to be thought of that way. That rationalization is polarizing for society.

Who will subsidize a real desegregation of American society? You guessed it. Anyone in America that spends and earns money in America.

The buck has to stop with someone otherwise nothing will be done. To be honest this is where the parliamentary system stands out. Where I can find the particular minister responsible and hold them accountable. Everyone here seems to pass the ball to somebody else.

Detroit, Phil, Baltimore etc will not fix themselves up. If you think I argue with you guys you should ask some of the gated community types I know here. How I ask them what good is a 10 acre gated community when the rest of your city, your country looks like ####. But of course they give me the stereotypical American response of it's not my problem. This mentality is something I will never understand.

Well, this is something that I agree with you on.

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Our suggestion, as people that have this so-called fixation with history, is for those that want to contribute to a solution to the present situation to get off their rear end and contribute actively in the creation of solutions with or without the understanding that those who do not allow themselves the process of learning at least in hindsight are condemned to repeat the past's blunders.

Slavery is over and has been for centuries. Segregation is also over. A repetition of the past is a little stretched now don't you think. I will spend the next few days reading up on slavery and segregation so I can be up to scratch on American history.

What I would like to know is, what are these real world workable solutions? Who will be hold accountable for these programs?

Yes, those actions are over, but their socioeconomic consequences are absolutely not. Which is sadly what many have been trying to say to no avail.

Who will be held accountable?

Its not to be thought of that way. That rationalization is polarizing for society. The time for reparations is long lost in history to a time when promises made were not kept.

Who will subsidize a real desegregation of American society? You guessed it. Anyone in America that spends and earns money in America.

I see now! A bunch of white, beer drink'n snooty liberals in this forum discussing all the ills of racism in America.

Ignorance is bliss!

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That's an altogether different topic. It is difficult offering solutions while having so much fun reminding the ignorance of its indisposition to not change.

Change usually is logical in steps. First you identify its need. Second you call out for it. Third you do it.

For example:

1. I need beer. History and common sense tells me its Friday today.

2. I want to leave work and go have a beer. I will do that.

3. I am going to leave NOW.

I see. In other words full of #### like everyone else with similar views. Can't walk the talk.

And this is something that I do not agree with you. In a few I will have one F-ing beer, with your permission, apparently.

BTW, there is plenty that I have done in the service of this country beyond writing on VJ. Those that actually know me know what I am talking about. I will not ask the obvious question as to what the F have you done towards the solution you wish to seek beyond griping about it to Americans that care little for reality.

But for the logic of the moment, yes, a beer. Feel free to also have one. Its Friday, "mate." Been a while since I've had a Fosters.

Our suggestion, as people that have this so-called fixation with history, is for those that want to contribute to a solution to the present situation to get off their rear end and contribute actively in the creation of solutions with or without the understanding that those who do not allow themselves the process of learning at least in hindsight are condemned to repeat the past's blunders.

Slavery is over and has been for centuries. Segregation is also over. A repetition of the past is a little stretched now don't you think. I will spend the next few days reading up on slavery and segregation so I can be up to scratch on American history.

What I would like to know is, what are these real world workable solutions? Who will be hold accountable for these programs?

Yes, those actions are over, but their socioeconomic consequences are absolutely not. Which is sadly what many have been trying to say to no avail.

Who will be held accountable?

Its not to be thought of that way. That rationalization is polarizing for society. The time for reparations is long lost in history to a time when promises made were not kept.

Who will subsidize a real desegregation of American society? You guessed it. Anyone in America that spends and earns money in America.

I see now! A bunch of white, beer drink'n snooty liberals in this forum discussing all the ills of racism in America.

Ignorance is bliss!

See poor kaydee, I never said I was white did I?

AS for the rest you already know where you can cram it. Good weekend to you too, sir.

Edited March 28, 2008 by maviwaro

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I see now! A bunch of white, beer drink'n snooty liberals in this forum discussing all the ills of racism in America.

Ignorance is bliss!

You guessed it pal. When it comes to walking the talk some get all quite on the western front. I am sure the insults will be coming any minute now. Nice diversion tactic of liberals.

How many liberal governments have been in control since the 80's yet the cities like Detroit are looking worse than ever. How has the black plight improved under their administration.

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How do you think Condi would answer that?

I don't know. I am guessing she probably wouldn't sit here and start calling me a racist for asking those questions.

Yes I am an engineer; as many of you have pointed out over and over again. We solve problems. That is what we do. I am still waiting for someone, or some leader, to come out and suggest what needs to happen and actually implement it.

It seems people are fixated with talking about the past than working together towards the future. It's like enough already. Everyone in this country knows about slavery and the conditions endured by black Americans. What next..

Perceptions are everything. I think that is your Achilles heel when it comes to arguing...you make broad generalizations based on your perception which is influenced by what ever limited exposure you have to everyday Americans.

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Perceptions are everything. I think that is your Achilles heel when it comes to arguing...you make broad generalizations based on your perception which is influenced by what ever limited exposure you have to everyday Americans.

Stating the obvious does not help either. You guys went on and on about slavery like I was denying it or discrediting it. Far from it. But then again talking about something over and over again does not change a dam thing.

I have watched a number of democratic conventions and their generalizations make mine look pale in comparison.

Edited March 28, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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Perceptions are everything. I think that is your Achilles heel when it comes to arguing...you make broad generalizations based on your perception which is influenced by what ever limited exposure you have to everyday Americans.

Stating the obvious does not help either. You guys went on and on about slavery like I was denying it or discrediting it. Far from it. But then again talking about something over and over again does not change a dam thing.

I have watched a number of democratic conventions and their generalizations make mine look pale in comparison.

Generalizations aren't bad...it's when you make them based on your own limited observations and then mistake it for truth. For example, if you grew up in neighborhood that was predominantly black and being the minority in the neighborhood, you were subjected to harassment, maybe have gotten jumped, etc. If you were to say that you're view of blacks in general is that they are violent and believed that as truth, you'd be making a huge leap.

Characteristics of Scientific Observation

We spend our lifetimes being observers. However, most of these observations are different from the ones which characterize scientific research. One of the early challenges in learning to be a psychologist is to distinguish between the casual observations you make as part of your everyday experience and the observations which can supply good behavioral data for a research project.

What differentiates scientific observation?

First, observations are focused on particular categories of behaviors or other events. A research plan includes the identification of independent and dependent variables and usually a statement of a hypothesis. These then guide observations. In psychological research we frequently focus our observations on the behavioral events which are related to the dependent variable.

Second, scientific observations are made under carefully specified and/or controlled circumstances. Because of our concern for limiting the ability of extraneous variables to influence behavioral outcomes and maximizing our ability to identify relationships between variables, such precision is essential.

Third, the procedures to be used in making scientific observations are usually specified in detail before the research is conducted and involve an agreed upon system for both observing and recording observational data.

Finally, through both the observational process itself and the subsequent data recording phase, objectivety is emphasized. Opportunities for observers to make their own interpretations of the significance or meaning of behaviors are minimized. As we will see later, this improves the level of agreement between scientists observing the same event, a key factor in observational research.

http://www.ccny.cuny.edu/bbpsy/modules/char_of_sci_obs.htm