Real Relationship Evidence with I-129f

[Randy CA 0]

As I understand it, with the I-129 you must establish that you have meet your fiancée in the last two years, and at the interview, your fiancée must establish that you have a real relationship.

With that in mind, does it make sense to send in with the I-129, the pile of evidence for establishing the real relationship, or is it better to keep your I-129 on message and not burden the processor with lots of items that really do not apply to the purpose of the review, and give your fiancée the evidence of the real relationship to take with her to the interview?

I like the idea of keeping the I-129 simple and easy to understand. But I am not sure I am correct on this point. The official instructions only mention “copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish your mutual intent.”

[Robyn-n-Kris 72]

For our I-295F we sent 2 pics of us together in the last 2 years.. our letters of intent and copies of his plane tickets, boarding passes and passport with stamps. This was it. Mind you he's only been here once yet this was enough since they approved ours with just that info. Now for his interview he will be bringing more evidence to prove we have an ongoing relationship but for the initial petition you only need to prove you've met within the last 2 years.

[ga1jin 0]

As I understand it, with the I-129 you must establish that you have meet your fiancée in the last two years, and at the interview, your fiancée must establish that you have a real relationship.

With that in mind, does it make sense to send in with the I-129, the pile of evidence for establishing the real relationship, or is it better to keep your I-129 on message and not burden the processor with lots of items that really do not apply to the purpose of the review, and give your fiancée the evidence of the real relationship to take with her to the interview?

I like the idea of keeping the I-129 simple and easy to understand. But I am not sure I am correct on this point. The official instructions only mention “copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish your mutual intent.”

I wondered the same thing, but I think most people on vj (myself included) send evidence of a relationship (emails, receipts, boarding passes, photos, etc.) with the I-129F. I would send 2-4 of each type. That will certainly not overburden the processor.

[JeroenAndMichelle 28]

Hmm... let's see what we submitted with the I-129F... 6 pictures of us together, 3 at my place and 3 at her place and two plane ticket receipts.. that was basically all when it comes to evidence.... we didn't had an RFE as of yet but when I read the guide afterwards, it made me really wonder if this was enough for our application.. oh well, like said, no RFE as of yet and I hope it stays like that

Edited March 27, 2008 by svache

[sweetpink 1]

I couldn't have agreed more with ga1jin..its not a burden for the processor if you send the intent/proof of relationship during the submission of the petition, after all what they are looking for is if you have the most genuine proof of the existence of your relationship...

Edited March 27, 2008 by sweetpink

[youtube 0]

You need both but the real deal is at the embassy showing continued relationship.

At UCSIS, you just have to meet the minimum and pass Background check.

The embassy will require the 'Hard' evidence. this is where they 'meet' your SO in person and as Judge and executioner, has your destiny of 'bliss' or 'hell' in their hands making a decision in seconds that will affect your forever.

Good luck and to everyone else going through the 'process'.

Edited March 27, 2008 by n@W

[RyaNRiza 1]

I think that if you provide evidence in both places, there's no real harm. I would think that a really pared down application might be off message, IMHO. I mean you're trying to establish that you have a relationship, but all you furnish is 2 pictures and a plane ticket? That's like running out for the weekend.

[Robyn-n-Kris 72]

You need both but the real deal is at the embassy showing continued relationship.

At UCSIS, you just have to meet the minimum and pass Background check.

The embassy will require the 'Hard' evidence. this is where they 'meet' your SO in person and as Judge and executioner, has your destiny of 'bliss' or 'hell' in their hands making a decision in seconds that will affect your forever.

Good luck and to everyone else going through the 'process'.

both dont have to go to the embassy... but you do need to provide proof of the ongoing relationship at that time. unless of course you just mean they meet the beneficiary in person....

Edited March 27, 2008 by Robyn-n-Kris

[SWA2 1]

As I understand it, with the I-129 you must establish that you have meet your fiancée in the last two years, and at the interview, your fiancée must establish that you have a real relationship.

With that in mind, does it make sense to send in with the I-129, the pile of evidence for establishing the real relationship, or is it better to keep your I-129 on message and not burden the processor with lots of items that really do not apply to the purpose of the review, and give your fiancée the evidence of the real relationship to take with her to the interview?

I like the idea of keeping the I-129 simple and easy to understand. But I am not sure I am correct on this point. The official instructions only mention “copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish your mutual intent.”

No proof of a relationship is needed when you submit your I-129F, only proof of having met once in the last two years. I sent one photograph with my I-129F and that was all. If fact it wasn't even a photograph. My lawyer thought I would want to keep it so he just made a copy on the office copier and sent that in. What I did send in was proof of meeting once in the last 2 years. I sent copies of my passport stamps, trip itinerary, boarding passes, airline tickets, and hotel receipts for evidence. That's all. No RFE's or any problems. It's more important to show proof of an ongoing relationship after you submit the I-129F. Use this time between now and the interview to document your relationship. Sent letters, birthday cards, save emails, receipts, visit again if you can afford it, etc. etc.

[SnowyTater 0]

I submitted all the evidence of our ongoing relationship with the I-129, just because I was freaking out about it.

I don't think it's necessary at all and I don't think it'll make a difference in RFEs or processing time, so if you want to keep it simple go for it. I think luck and just random circumstances determines whether or not people's times or slow or fast.

I would include at least a LITTLE, just to make sure you don't get an RFE from a cranky adjudicator I guess. A couple pics of you guys, maybe a letter or two. You can always attach a note saying that this is just a sample of the pile of evidence you have, that you're holding out for the interview.

I sent in like...I don't know, a good bit. 5-6 letters, 5-6 emails, maybe 6 photos, couple postcards, etc. Got the NOA2 pretty dang fast so I know it at least didn't slow them down or anything.

My general advice is just whatever you do be super organized with the petition. Make bullet points in your cover letter of everything included, section off forms from evidence or whatever will make it easiest for the person looking at it. If there's any area at all that you think needs clarification, attach a little note explaining it. "Better safe than sorry" I think is best for avoiding RFEs.

EDIT:

I just noticed the OP is from Russia. This isn't meant any offense at all, and I could be COMPLETELY wrong on this so this is just my idea and opinion, but because of where you're from if I were you I think I might submit your evidence of ongoing relationship with the petition...

The US and Russia don't have the most loving relationship right now, and I feel like I've heard/read of some people here from Russia taking well over the average amount of time to go through processing and get their visa. Maybe this is just coincidence, but I think your nationality might raise a couple more red flags than some other people have to deal with :\

Sorry, don't mean to make that sound too harsh or scare you or anything. As I say I could be entirely completely wrong on that. But that's just my advice with the feeble understanding I have of the countries' relationship...

Edited March 28, 2008 by SnowyTater

[sunnybear 0]

We just sent several pics of us together and my passport stating I was living in the UK when we met.....when he goes to his interview shoot he can bring phone bills, cards, copy of contract for our reception location, etc.....oh and he has saved every single chat we have ever had since 2006! LOL

[EricC 0]

You don't need to send evidence of a genuine relationship to the USCIS. They only care if you have met in person in the past 2 years. So send in as much proof that you met as possible. When the time comes for your interview you are going to want the same proof you met as well as a lot of proof that your relationship is genuine (chats, phone logs, emails, cards, gifts, etc).

[jannaxhitti 0]

You don't need to send evidence of a genuine relationship to the USCIS. They only care if you have met in person in the past 2 years.

I think in my and my fiance's case, this was not true. I was lucky to have my Congressman on my side calling the USCIS and talking to the actual officer processing our case, and he told my congressman that he didn't believe we had a real relationship and was considering issuing a RFE for lack of evidence. We sent 2 dated photos of us together and letters of intent... unfortunately we didn't have a lot of proof at the time of sending the 129f because we hadn't taken that many photos together and no plane tickets, etc. We got lucky anyway and were approved... but who knows, maybe the guy was just pulling our leg.

If I were you, I would send everything you have. It's better in my opinion to annoy the processor with too much info than to get a RFE for not enough!

Good luck to you!!

[danie82 4]

So I have a second RFE.  They want more proof of establishing our relationship.   We met on Facebook and chat/ text/ call on Facebook.   Can I just write all this in a word file, that we met on Facebook, and copy little bits of our conversation into it?  It has our names, the dates and times the messages were sent.   I already sent them my plane tickets but didn't send his.   Maybe if I send his as well as passport stamps?  I'm so afraid of screwing this up and getting rejected. 

[Maria1989 403]

9 hours ago, danie82 said:

So I have a second RFE.  They want more proof of establishing our relationship.   We met on Facebook and chat/ text/ call on Facebook.   Can I just write all this in a word file, that we met on Facebook, and copy little bits of our conversation into it?  It has our names, the dates and times the messages were sent.   I already sent them my plane tickets but didn't send his.   Maybe if I send his as well as passport stamps?  I'm so afraid of screwing this up and getting rejected. 

I just happened upon this. This thread is very old. Start a new one for more advice. First of all you are very lucky, usually once they send one RFE and you don't provide all they need, they deny. Luckily since you have a second one, you can correct this. You need to establish that you have met within the last two years. His passport and yours, if you met somewhere other than where he is from. Also, although photos are secondary they prove you were together, you just have to establish the time. Since he flew and you flew, I'm assuming you met elsewhere, so what about hotel reciepts? I have photos in the airport, dated receipts from purchases. This is your last shot.

 

Oh and btw the, calls and chats won't work, they want proof of in-person meeting. What I'm afraid of is, if you can't establish the bare minimum to get pass USCIS, then you will have a very very difficult time with his Embassy.