Chicago battles rise in teen murders

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I cannot tell you how often friends call/email and ask me when I'm going to come home....as in: it is not safe in the U.S.

Shootings, shootings and more shootings.

It is the random ones that concern me, too.

I do fantasize about going back to Vancouver....mmmmmm...

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And Chicago's gang problem has been ongoing for decades. Far worse than NYC.

Just drove by Crane two days ago.

What the hell are the politicians, mayors, police chiefs doing...

My brother in law volunteers as a cop and he was told to turn a blind eye in certain areas because they don't want the area, crime stats, to look bad. Effectively allowing the area to deteriorate further.

Ask the real estate developers that itch to gentrify run down neighborhoods. All they see is green.

As for the police, well... right now there is a major restructuring underway at CPD with brand new precint commanders to combat corruption from within and give the police department a new chance to actually combat crime.

Nevertheless, we have governmental gridlock in properly funding positive public education and as a result... have less avenues for Chicago's teens to follow into better economical positions.

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My brother in law volunteers as a cop and he was told to turn a blind eye in certain areas because they don't want the area, crime stats, to look bad. Effectively allowing the area to deteriorate further.

Metrics drive behavior. This is a great example!

Ask the real estate developers that itch to gentrify run down neighborhoods. All they see is green.

Is gentrification always bad? Or is there a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it?

I'm of the opinion that it's the latter.

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The crime rate in Manhattan is nothing like it was in the 70's - in the outer burroughs though (Bronx, Brooklyn etc) it still has a strong prescence.

Police presence is the key. They need foot patrol, mobile cops, patrol cars as well as 24/7 surveillance of public areas. Plus tougher laws and dynamic curfews.

How many people need to die before someone takes some serious action to fix the crime problems in cities here.

That is the mop-up.

Gotta prevent the spill in the first place. Education is the key.

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The crime rate in Manhattan is nothing like it was in the 70's - in the outer burroughs though (Bronx, Brooklyn etc) it still has a strong prescence.

Police presence is the key. They need foot patrol, mobile cops, patrol cars as well as 24/7 surveillance of public areas. Plus tougher laws and dynamic curfews.

How many people need to die before someone takes some serious action to fix the crime problems in cities here.

That is the mop-up.

Gotta prevent the spill in the first place. Education is the key.

Education and economic opportunity. Neither by itself does nothing.

And you will still need the mop-up.

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My brother in law volunteers as a cop and he was told to turn a blind eye in certain areas because they don't want the area, crime stats, to look bad. Effectively allowing the area to deteriorate further.

Metrics drive behavior. This is a great example!

Ask the real estate developers that itch to gentrify run down neighborhoods. All they see is green.

Is gentrification always bad? Or is there a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it?

I'm of the opinion that it's the latter.

Well, the way its been done in Chicago for the last 20 years is a prime example of bad. Its pushed the poor towards the city edges where there is a lack of accessibility to centralized city services of all type. Not to mention that Chicago neighborhoods have been among the most segregated in the entire USA, so it creates quite a sticky atomsphere.

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Does the violent crime originate from the rich or poor end of the street?

That is not the point though. Violence now seems to be glamorized. So kids are more likely to use it.

Unfortunately in those areas the criminals have the upper hand. So anyone trying to make it has it 100 times harder than if they lived in a safer area. I cannot see a kid getting an education when he/she has to worry about other kids killing him because he is walking on their turf.

Edited March 27, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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The crime rate in Manhattan is nothing like it was in the 70's - in the outer burroughs though (Bronx, Brooklyn etc) it still has a strong prescence.

Police presence is the key. They need foot patrol, mobile cops, patrol cars as well as 24/7 surveillance of public areas. Plus tougher laws and dynamic curfews.

How many people need to die before someone takes some serious action to fix the crime problems in cities here.

That is the mop-up.

Gotta prevent the spill in the first place. Education is the key.

Education and economic opportunity. Neither by itself does nothing.

And you will still need the mop-up.

Very true. Its called balance... its never been about condoning present day silliness by justification of history.

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Well, the way its been done in Chicago for the last 20 years is a prime example of bad. Its pushed the poor towards the city edges where there is a lack of accessibility to centralized city services of all type. Not to mention that Chicago neighborhoods have been among the most segregated in the entire USA, so it creates quite a sticky atomsphere.

That sounds like a good idea. They just need to finish the job and push the poor outside

the city edges into rural areas where life is cheap.

[Heracles 417]

That is the mop-up.

Gotta prevent the spill in the first place. Education is the key.

Safety is the key. No one prospers in a battlefield. Kids will not be free to acquire an education, or a skill, until crime is tackled head on. It is time power is handed back to the people and taken away from the criminals.

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Safety is a prerequisite to both economic opportunity and education. Without safety and a civil society, there is nothing.

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Well, the way its been done in Chicago for the last 20 years is a prime example of bad. Its pushed the poor towards the city edges where there is a lack of accessibility to centralized city services of all type. Not to mention that Chicago neighborhoods have been among the most segregated in the entire USA, so it creates quite a sticky atomsphere.

That sounds like a good idea. They just need to finish the job and push the poor outside

the city edges into rural areas where life is cheap.

They are already there... and unfortunately this has created a whole new set of problems in race relations. Plus there is no economic forte for new arrivals that are a victim of unfair urban renewal practices. Their kids, though... if they can get past the racial dsicrimination and economic disadvantages, have a slight chance of moving on.

That is the mop-up.

Gotta prevent the spill in the first place. Education is the key.

Safety is the key. No one prospers in a battlefield. Kids will not be free to acquire an education, or a skill, until crime is tackled head on. It is time power is handed back to the people and taken away from the criminals.

This is fine.

[Heracles 417]

They are already there... and unfortunately this has created a whole new set of problems in race relations. Plus there is no economic forte for new arrivals that are a victim of unfair urban renewal practices. Their kids, though... if they can get past the racial dsicrimination and economic disadvantages, have a slight chance of moving on.

I guess this is where Australia and Canada are on the ball. I know they would give them a grant to move where the jobs are.

The jobs are out there for there to be 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the nation. The inner city factories are gone and will never come back. So people need to move out and move elsewhere. Plus the fact that living expenses in states like Texas are much lower than those of the inner city..

Edited March 27, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

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They are already there... and unfortunately this has created a whole new set of problems in race relations. Plus there is no economic forte for new arrivals that are a victim of unfair urban renewal practices. Their kids, though... if they can get past the racial dsicrimination and economic disadvantages, have a slight chance of moving on.

I guess this is where Australia and Canada are on the ball. I know they would give them a grant to move where the jobs are.

The jobs are out there for there to be 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the nation. The inner city factories are gone and will never come back. So people need to move out and move elsewhere. Plus the fact that living expenses in states like Texas are much lower than those of the inner city..

Well now you could be on to something more... progressive and very socialist in design.

[Heracles 417]

Well now you could be on to something more... progressive and very socialist in design.

I have federalist views which ironically is the basis of the Democratic party. What happened to the part since then.

I think this thread http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118382 shows that the best systems are a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.