Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

OK.... so using those figures 24.9% of all blacks (or 1 in 4) are living in poverty - proportionally. How does that compare proportionally to other ethnicities?

Who cares. 75.1% of Americans are not black.

Normalization of data per category is supposed to be a standard statistical method of ensuring an accurate comparison for categorical data... at least that's what responsible people do with numbers when backing up a claim.

or maybe the 75.1% don't matter because they where not segregated.

I'm not saying they don't matter. I'm saying that looking at it proportionally gives you a better indication of the "condition" of a particular group than saying "X% are not black. Who cares".

Again this is pretty much along the lines of your previous arguments about city income and city crime rates - you present these figures without the most elementary analysis of what can be drawn from them.

And you passed an MA like this...?

[HAL 9000 96]

More ridiculous ignorance? I guess so.

Ignorance of what. Are the number correct or not?

Correct based on what assertion? A conclusion that doesn't make any sense or a trend that does not necessarily need normalization?

[Alex+R 0]

http://www.gladwell.com/2007/2007_12_17_c_iq.html

Read that Mr. BY.

[Heracles 417]

So make your point without teetering off the brink [again].

How so? You're a scientist and should know how to read. What words did I use when posting the diagram. All I said was "like this:"

But you guys went on and on about nothing and then claimed I was on a tangent.

[HAL 9000 96]

Speaking of IQ I'm going to drop a few points from having to try [still] to decipher our friend's undecipherable conclusions based on invisible type. Beware!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wouldn't someone with an MA in Economics have a more detailed handle on the statistics and what they mean?

He seems to take a macro-economic approach to micro-economic issues.

I have to say I'm seriously sceptical about this. He has already, several times in the past suggested that because the ranking of the poorest American cities (based on median household income city-wide) don't line up 100% to the most crime ridden, that it's proof that poverty has no relationship to crime rates.

I'm not joking

Interesting because even when using numbers Troll provided most black Americans live in the South than the North or West.

That may be true - but there's also a small matter of population density and distribution within urban areas. Again you make these claims, but no drilling down or analysis to support your conclusions.

You might say you don't care, but you clearly care enough to post for 30-odd pages - so again I'm wondering why you're apparently unable to provide an analysis of the data you're pulling up.

[Heracles 417]

More ridiculous ignorance? I guess so.

Ignorance of what. Are the number correct or not?

Correct based on what assertion? A conclusion that doesn't make any sense or a trend that does not necessarily need normalization?

I never made any conclusion. All I said is that 75.1% of Americans living in poverty are not black.

[HAL 9000 96]

So make your point without teetering off the brink [again].

How so? You're a scientist and should know how to read. What words did I use when posting the diagram. All I said was "like this:"

But you guys went on and on about nothing and then claimed I was on a tangent.

Almost 50 pages of tangents, Boo on you.

[Heracles 417]

That may be true - but there's also a small matter of population density and distribution within urban areas. Again you make these claims, but no drilling down or analysis to support your conclusions.

You might say you don't care, but you clearly care enough to post for 30-odd pages - so again I'm wondering why you're apparently unable to provide an analysis of the data you're pulling up.

I make these claims of what. I said that the majority of black Americans live in the south. So far the data provide backed this point period.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

More ridiculous ignorance? I guess so.

Ignorance of what. Are the number correct or not?

Correct based on what assertion? A conclusion that doesn't make any sense or a trend that does not necessarily need normalization?

I never made any conclusion. All I said is that 75.1% of Americans living in poverty are not black.

Which in itself is meaningless because you're not looking at specifics.

[Heracles 417]

Almost 50 pages of tangents, Boo on you.

You have nothing to say apart from the same thing over and over again.

[HAL 9000 96]

More ridiculous ignorance? I guess so.

Ignorance of what. Are the number correct or not?

Correct based on what assertion? A conclusion that doesn't make any sense or a trend that does not necessarily need normalization?

I never made any conclusion. All I said is that 75.1% of Americans living in poverty are not black.

True, you really haven't said anything.

Try normalizing the data to category.

[Heracles 417]

Which in itself is meaningless because you're not looking at specifics.

I don't have to look at specifics. I am not in office.

True, you really haven't said anything.

Try normalizing the data to category.

Why don't you do it since I am wrong.

[HAL 9000 96]

Almost 50 pages of tangents, Boo on you.

You have nothing to say apart from the same thing over and over again.

Kinda hard given that all the tangents come from your nick, not anyone elses'.

Which in itself is meaningless because you're not looking at specifics.

I don't have to look at specifics. I am not in office.

True, you really haven't said anything.

Try normalizing the data to category.

Why don't you do it since I am wrong.

Ah... laziness to state incomplete data. This is what gets theses rejected very quickly.

Your claim, your numbers, your burden.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That may be true - but there's also a small matter of population density and distribution within urban areas. Again you make these claims, but no drilling down or analysis to support your conclusions.

You might say you don't care, but you clearly care enough to post for 30-odd pages - so again I'm wondering why you're apparently unable to provide an analysis of the data you're pulling up.

I make these claims of what. I said that the majority of black Americans live in the south. So far the data provide backed this point period.

Well... I'm not disagreeing with that part - but I am wondering why your analysis stops at that point.

Population density? Distribution between urban, rural and suburban areas?

Where does the most crime take place?

Its not called "the inner city" for nothing.

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