Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

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And better still

Come on. You guys always turn to insults because you can hide behind the net. I would like to see anyone get smart in person. Actually I would pay for that..

You must live isolated from most of society...how on earth can you function in real life unless you clam up and never speak?

[Heracles 417]

Absolutely nothing, amigo.

So tell me, what do you love most about the Klan? I know it must be difficult to find one thing out of so many, but please try.

Their sexy outfit..

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I found this on prejudice among Greek Americans:

The association between religiosity and prejudice was evaluated, using a sample of 152 Greek Americans from Cincinnati, Ohio. Several indicators of religiosity, such as church membership, church attendance, parochial education, and orthodoxy were used. The findings showed little support for the recurrent inverse associations between church membership or orthodoxy and tolerance, except for the negative association between orthodoxy and stereotype Negro tolerance. Furthermore, the effects of religiosity (orthodoxy) varied with authoritarianism, being positive among authoritarians and negative among non-authoritarians. Parochial education was associated only with positive images about blacks and showed an interaction with general education when the latter was controlled. The ritual indicators and church attendance were positively associated with tolerance; and the renowned curvilinear trend was observed only for Negro social distance, although it was not statistically significant. Introducing an ethnicity factor to the church attendance and orthodoxy analyses produced results somewhat more consistent with American studies and also gave some support to the Gorsuch and Aleshire (1974) social conformity interpretation.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8294...%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O

Shhhh and put some Windex on it!

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Boo Yah - about that graphic showing black people. Percentages and nominal amounts are different. Find a graphic showing (perhaps in cartogram form) nominal numbers of black people by county and it'll look very different.

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Why Help? Because Agnes, PH, #6, Mister Fancypants, maviwaro, Vj Troll and yourself don't agree with me. That makes 7 people. Lets round it up to 20.

Glenn beck has approx 500,000 viewers. O'reilly has 1.2 million.

Not agreeing is one thing, but I'm having a hard time finding a coherent chain of argument in your posts. The pattern seems to go something like this:

1) You make a crude blanket statement about "the black community" (such as you have defined it).

2) When challenged on the aforementioned statement you:

• Flit off onto 101 other (irrelevant) things - including (but not limited to): The Ottoman Empire, Quantas, and the state of your personal finances.

• Counter the challenger by attacking an argument that they explicitly did not make and do not support.

3) Rinse. Repeat.

This is becoming one of my favorite posts of the thread. Go on!

[Heracles 417]

What does Cable news viewership prove.

Trumpeting viewing figures of 1.2 million out of a population of 300,000,000 is like comparing the size difference between different types of flies.

You ask for evidence to back a point yet discredit it. Funnily enough you never provide any evidence of your own. I am still waiting for you to prove that crime is directly correlated with oppression.

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Why Help? Because Agnes, PH, #6, Mister Fancypants, maviwaro, Vj Troll and yourself don't agree with me. That makes 7 people. Lets round it up to 20.

Glenn beck has approx 500,000 viewers. O'reilly has 1.2 million.

Not agreeing is one thing, but I'm having a hard time finding a coherent chain of argument in your posts. The pattern seems to go something like this:

1) You make a crude blanket statement about "the black community" (such as you have defined it).

2) When challenged on the aforementioned statement you:

• Flit off onto 101 other (irrelevant) things - including (but not limited to): The Ottoman Empire, Quantas, and the state of your personal finances.

• Counter the challenger by attacking an argument that they explicitly did not make and do not support.

3) Rinse. Repeat.

#6 I am not going to sit here and explain myself to someone I don't even know.

Not all of us have your Jedi Mind powers.

Please elaborate on your positions so as to avoid going off like a firecracker. It would avoid our pain of having to cipher out your implied reasoning.

[Heracles 417]

Boo Yah - about that graphic showing black people. Percentages and nominal amounts are different. Find a graphic showing (perhaps in cartogram form) nominal numbers of black people by county and it'll look very different.

The Black Population in theUnited States: March 2002

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-541.pdf

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Why run and cry when you have 30+ pages in this very thread of self-delusional material for all to see?

Why because I have not sat here and written a thesis to thoroughly explain my views. Isn't going to happen. Certainly not from me..

Then in the last couple of hours since you wrote this I think a healthy prediction (not having read from then on) would be that you continue opening your blastopore with more tangents? Hope to be proven wrong!

And it looks like I wasn't proven wrong.

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45,000,000+ Americans live in 'poverty'. Out of those roughly 8,750,000 are Black Americans living in poverty. Which basically means 80% of Americans living in poverty are not Black.

Where did you get these figures?

I like the one that suggest few black people live in places like NY, NJ, CA, IL and MI. That's pretty good. I wonder if some census bureau worker told him this at some bar in DC.

Like this:

or

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-541.pdf

or

http://www.shepscenter.unc.edu/research_pr...s/black2000.pdf

See I went to the census site too, and this

is what I found.

The official poverty rate in 2006 was 12.3 percent, down from 12.6 percent in 2005 (Table 3).

In 2006, 36.5 million people were in poverty, not statistically different from 2005.

Poverty rates in 2006 were statistically unchanged for non-Hispanic Whites (8.2 percent), Blacks (24.3 percent), and Asians (10.3 percent) from 2005. The poverty rate decreased for Hispanics (20.6 percent in 2006, down from 21.8 percent in 2005).

The poverty rate in 2006 was lower than in 1959, the first year for which poverty estimates are available (Figure 3). From the most recent trough in 2000, the rate rose for four consecutive years, from 11.3 percent in 2000 to 12.7 percent in 2004, and then declined to 12.3 percent in 2006 – a rate not statistically different from those in 2002 and 2003 (12.1 percent and 12.5 percent, respectively).

For children under 18 years old and people aged 18 to 64, the poverty rates (17.4 percent and 10.8 percent, respectively) and the numbers in poverty (12.8 million and 20.2 million, respectively) remained statistically unchanged from 2005.

Both the poverty rate and the number in poverty decreased for people aged 65 and older (9.4 percent and 3.4 million in 2006, down from 10.1 percent and 3.6 million in 2005)

My sums don't add up to yours:

Total Poverty: 37,000,000

Non Hispanic Whites: 8.2% = 303,4000

Blacks: 24.3% = 8,991,000

Hispanics: 20.6% = 7,622,000

Asians: 10.3% = 3811000

There's roughly 13.5 million missing from the total. Who are these people - Martians? Native Americans perhaps...? They are after all the poorest ethnic group in the country, with their own share of social problems. Or perhaps... people who didn't declare their race on the census forms. I dunno...

[Heracles 417]

Please elaborate on your positions so as to avoid going off like a firecracker. It would avoid our pain of having to cipher out your implied reasoning.

What about judging someone and their post without actually knowing what they are talking about..

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TEN STATES WITH LARGEST AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATIONS

State Name African-American Population in 2000

California 2,510,000

Florida 2,470,000

Georgia 2,390,000

Illinois 1,940,000

Louisiana 1,470,000

Maryland 1,530,000

Michigan 1,470,000

New York 3,230,000

North Carolina 1,780,000

Texas 2,490,000

Source: U.S. Census Bureau. Numbers reflect citizens who reported African-American ancestry, in whole or part. All numbers are rounded.

http://www.nea.org/lessons/tt080128.html

18 - The number of states with an estimated black population on July 1, 2006, of at least 1 million. New York, with 3.5 million blacks, led the way. The 17 other states on the list were Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What does Cable news viewership prove.

Trumpeting viewing figures of 1.2 million out of a population of 300,000,000 is like comparing the size difference between different types of flies.

You ask for evidence to back a point yet discredit it. Funnily enough you never provide any evidence of your own. I am still waiting for you to prove that crime is directly correlated with oppression.

You mean that article about White slavery that you pushed as though it were equivalent in scope to Black slavery?

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The bit about holding their future in their own hands is transalating to BY as 'they only have themselves to blame for their current situation'.

Which means that again, he is ignoring the circumstances that lead to the present. In other words, history.

Do you even know what I am saying with that statement?

Perhaps reading the paragraph quoted you'd understand the contradiction within your own conclusion.

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Boo Yah - about that graphic showing black people. Percentages and nominal amounts are different. Find a graphic showing (perhaps in cartogram form) nominal numbers of black people by county and it'll look very different.

The Black Population in theUnited States: March 2002

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-541.pdf

Yes I know that was from the census. My point (if you missed it) is that nominal amounts and percentages tell very different stories.