Pat Buchanan: Black Americans should be grateful we brought them over on slave ships!

[HAL 9000 96]

Well no. But when you're laying out a rationale based on an understanding of a fictional "black community" that you've cooked up from anecdotes and TV what do you expect people to say...?. By your own admission you don't associate with people from the "real" black community... So what authoritative basis do you have to make the claims you are making about blacks and the black community?

It is called observation and I am perfectly entitled to it. Especially in a nation where every man and his dog has one.

Um you've said that if it weren't for your wife you'd move back to Oz in a flash.

You've also said that you hate what the nation has become since the 60's.

Cutting the line mighty fine don't you think?

Yes I hate the direction liberals have taken this nation. And yes I would move back as the quality of life is better there. Why would I drive an Daewoo when I can drive an Bentley.

But

That does not mean I hate the nation.

Funny... having a MS in Economics sure you must be able to count the number of years the political conservatives have been in power in this country since the 60s.

[Peikko 1,575]

The question is, if you have money, how is the quality of life better? Either you have it or you don't. Either you can afford the Bentley, or you can't. The quality of life is not really measured in Bentleys, of course, but I am curious to how you can afford a Bentley in Australia, but not in the US.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[HAL 9000 96]

I think our friend here will qualify soon, with our help, for a literary award in critical thinking.

Off to dinner. PM me any new tangents so as not to go on 50 pages of the same babble.

[Heracles 417]

Why run and cry when you have 30+ pages in this very thread of self-delusional material for all to see?

Why because I have not sat here and written a thesis to thoroughly explain my views. Isn't going to happen. Certainly not from me..

[Peikko 1,575]

Perhaps you are suggesting that you can't get a job with the same renumeration as you had in Australia, but then that would mean somehow that the US doesn't recognise your qualifications - or rather surprisingly that the US doesn't pay it's educated workers particularly well?

[Heracles 417]

Synopsis:

Black people (or maybe just Wright) prior to the 60s should have taken discount ships back to Africa, or, alternatively, waited until now to buy a ticket to London.

Finally someone gets it..

[Peikko 1,575]

I captured your views in short form but you don't seem to recognise them when the stare you baldly in the face.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well no. But when you're laying out a rationale based on an understanding of a fictional "black community" that you've cooked up from anecdotes and TV what do you expect people to say...?. By your own admission you don't associate with people from the "real" black community... So what authoritative basis do you have to make the claims you are making about blacks and the black community?

It is called observation and I am perfectly entitled to it. Especially in a nation where every man and his dog has one.

Yes and its called a discussion forum. Hence you shouldn't really be surprised when someone questions your absolute statements about the "black community" based largely on Jeremiah Wright and "some people" you did and didn't see on holiday. Its a thin case for your absolute statements of "fact".

Yes I hate the direction liberals have taken this nation. And yes I would move back as the quality of life is better there. Why would I drive an Daewoo when I can drive an Bentley.

But

That does not mean I hate the nation.

Perhaps. But you sure seem to hate a lot of places in the US that you've actually been to

California? New Jersey? DC?

Right....

Edited March 26, 2008 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

The question is, if you have money, how is the quality of life better? Either you have it or you don't. Either you can afford the Bentley, or you can't. The quality of life is not really measured in Bentleys, of course, but I am curious to how you can afford a Bentley in Australia, but not in the US.

Bentley was an metaphorical example. If you have been to Aus you would know it is not about the money there.

I am not going to get into the specifics but the thousands of UK citizens migrating there, permanently, each and every month seem to understand.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

California? New Jersey? DC?

Right....

I'm not sure he's even been to these places - maybe changed planes at LAX

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Synopsis:

Black people (or maybe just Wright) prior to the 60s should have taken discount ships back to Africa, or, alternatively, waited until now to buy a ticket to London.

Finally someone gets it..

Genius.

Looks like I was right. If a person is living in a famine, they should just up and move to where the food is.

If I extend that rationale - I could perhaps find a justification for illegal immigration.

Can't get a job / decent wage in your own country? Go to where you can.

I assume you can see the problem with this...

[Sheriff Uling 3]

The human race has proven to be resilient and ingenious when it comes to adapting under the grievous of conditions or treacherous situations. There is an undercurrent of logic within the chaos of Mr. Buchanan's distorted arguments and head-shaking analogies. The truth is that African-Americans in this country are embarking on a new chapter in history for themselves. African-Americans are now living in the first post oppression, post slavery, post segregation, and post everything that held them back era. Now the primary element holding them back is themselves. There is no intent to imply that African-American’s struggles do not come with an extra load of baggage caused by the past indiscretions of American history. Is there still a long, long, long way to go in the struggle for African Americans in forging a better tomorrow for themselves, the communities they live, and for the America society as a whole? You bet! That struggle is evident and amplified by the challenges African-Americans face in today’s society. The future is where America’s hopes should rest with the upcoming generations who will move far beyond the pain, loss, struggle, and sacrifice the clouds the growth and unity of people from all walks of life.

Cheers!!!

Sheriff Uling

p.s. – Some of the responses in this thread are very disturbing. If I did not have a greater calling and duty to help those who come behind me in this visa journey, I would not be apart of this community.

Edited March 27, 2008 by Sheriff Uling

[Heracles 417]

Yes and its called a discussion forum. Hence you shouldn't really be surprised when someone questions your absolute statements about the "black community" based largely on Jeremiah Wright and "some people" you did and didn't see on holiday. Its a thin case for your absolute statements of "fact".

I am not surprised at all. But certain people jumping on every statement and using it to make a cheap witty shot gets annoying.

Perhaps. But you sure seem to hate a lot of places in the US that you've actually been to

California? New Jersey? DC?

A lot of those places are run down.

[Heracles 417]

Synopsis:

Black people (or maybe just Wright) prior to the 60s should have taken discount ships back to Africa, or, alternatively, waited until now to buy a ticket to London.

Finally someone gets it..

Genius.

I was being sarcastic..

[Peikko 1,575]

A lot of those places are run down? Hmm, that's clarity for you - and also paints a very distorted picture of what, for example LA is like in its entirety. There are often parts of big cities that go through periods of decline - they also get turned around and go through periods of growth too. It's the nature of big cities. I am not suggesting that one should love living in a big city but one thing is sure, big cities have many positive things to offer. They provide cultural centres that house museums, art galleries and orchestras for example. Things that small communities struggle to and often can't provide.